Hero Mini Mafia

On December 10 2012 09:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
See thrawn, I read the OP. Unlike last time.

On December 11 2012 07:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
palmer: I haven't watched the video yet, but didn't you realize that if we are to trust that you haven't read your role pm, then we can't make any reads based on your thoughts so far? If you don't know your alignment then how do you expect us to figure it out? Was this purely done for your own benefit/amusement or what?

On December 11 2012 09:16 Clarity_nl wrote:


Perhaps, but I didn't really have any eye opening moments. I think your video benefits scum more since you were taking the perspective of a townie, meaning most of what you said aligned with my thoughts.

Why do you think Vivax isn't scum?

On December 11 2012 09:18 debears wrote:
Palmar I love you right now <3

On December 10 2012 09:56 Adam4167 wrote:
Thrawn,

I don't know you, can you link me some of your games as scum on here.

On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:


Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.

On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote:


That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions.

Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category.

On December 10 2012 12:45 Adam4167 wrote:


He announced in thread to be voting for Thrawn, but the vote never made it into the voting thread, then he builds a case on me around not voting on someone that I had said I wasn't sure of the alignment of.

Ill be watching him closely today.

On December 11 2012 19:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
also wtf on scumread on me

On December 11 2012 19:24 wherebugsgo wrote:


Bro I tried to kill you cause you were 80% scum. Bro.

As for thrawn I'm just tired of stupid shit. Every game it's something new and stupider.

Neither of these things is a reason to call me scum, so don't be surprised when I call you out on your bullshit.

On December 11 2012 19:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
bleh it wasn't a "plan" or whatever everyone is making it out to be. I wanted the game to start immediately so I did something that was silly enough to comment on and the whole thing got taken way more seriously than I planned. But I didn't really care because I really do not mind being a topic of discussion, if anything it makes you more emotionally involved in the game. it was mostly a joke based on an assumption that everyone assumes everyone else reads the op and especially the role list.

I was not trying to convince anyone that I was actually a miller... but people started making it into a much bigger issue than I had planned so I just went along with it for a bit to see what would happen. I have seen people posting in this thread who say i'm town but also appear confused as to what I was trying to do... (mostly nothing other than get the game going)

I still dont think it was some awful, terrible play everyone is calling it but I'd rather take that up in the end game. I know this post isn't really related to the game but I'm getting a little annoyed seeing people talk about how I had a dumb townie plan when it wasn't really a 'plan' to begin with.

On December 11 2012 22:06 marvellosity wrote:
Hi Palmar.

Taking Adam out, do you prefer Jay over Tunkeg or vice versa?

On December 11 2012 22:21 marvellosity wrote:


Is there something you've seen from Tunkeg that suggests to you he is town?

On December 11 2012 22:31 wherebugsgo wrote:


cool, you want to lynch probably the easiest mislynch on TL mafia over someone who clearly does not care about scumhunting.

Not to mention, the strongest part of my case isn't the meta, it's the fact that Tunkeg is completely indifferent to the events of the game.

On December 11 2012 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote:


I'm not twisting shit. You said you like jay over tunkeg, which is indicative that you're not reading the thread. I just don't understand how you can find jay scummier than tunkeg. It's like we're not playing the same game.

Have you never played with jay before?! How do you not understand how easy of a mislynch he is?

On December 11 2012 22:42 wherebugsgo wrote:


I don't think we can necessarily credit Palmar with the push on Adam, given that everyone so far in the game has found him scummy, but I agree with you. I like both pushes but I disagree with Palmar's other reads, which almost certainly means something is off.

I'm curious, though. If you had to name 4 scum right now, who would you name?

On December 11 2012 22:42 Bluelightz wrote:
Vivax, do you understand the difference between the both? dabears post is only a simple thing of pointing out/answering a question, however Adam has pushed thrawn heavily. See the difference?

Also, dabear if you could explain/join this talk it would be nice.

On December 11 2012 23:33 Bluelightz wrote:


Woops. By that I mean he has more posts on thrawn then a simple point on someone

On December 12 2012 00:37 debears wrote:


Wtf????

You jump from thrawn, to me, to vivax (you made a long post on vivax), and now Tunkeg (and you have said nothing about him)

This guys is scum yo

On December 12 2012 07:47 Vivax wrote:
Debby, yours is probably the most persistent tunneling I have witnessed in my short unsuccessful mafia career, I hope you hit the right spot.

On December 12 2012 09:03 debears wrote:
Only if he's town palmar, only if he's town

On December 12 2012 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
my play is clean, so I'm scum...the fuck?

I could play like a retard, but no one likes when I do that.

On December 12 2012 18:27 wherebugsgo wrote:


go for it, noob.

If you're town, you really are just nothing more than a noob for thinking I'm scum.

On December 12 2012 16:07 Djodref wrote:


He did it when it was not sure yet that Adam would be lynched.
And he discedited people voting Adam. ”there is scum pn this wagon”

On December 12 2012 18:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
shoot me so I don't have to keep fucking around defending myself against people who are right

On December 12 2012 21:34 Djodref wrote:


@ thrawn

I didn't know what the fuck you were trying to do at first when you said "not explaining why I did this at all".
At first, I was expecting you to simply admit that you wanted to spark discussing with this obvious fakeclaim but I didn't understand why you went into that "not explaining anything at all mode". I pressure voted you because I was still not so sure I had made the right choice at that time (i.e. town move or lying scum) and I wanted you to explain yourself for the following reasons:

• If town, you would have better off stopping this ASAP imo, because people would have voted you for lying and being anti-town for not explaining yourself. Also, if you were baiting mafia, it was going to be far to obvious, so it didn't matter so much for you to "come clean".
  
• If scum, it would have been better to force you into posting more shit

Then, I thought about the comment you made in the Looney Game...

On December 12 2012 22:34 marvellosity wrote:


you're gonna have to bear with me, i need to check on some of the interactions you and him had on Day 1.

There came a point where I thought you were pretty clearly town so I wanna see when he was doubting you.

On December 12 2012 22:41 marvellosity wrote:
question Palmar: if bugs flips scum, does that make it more or less likely (or the same) for you that VE is scum?

On December 12 2012 22:41 marvellosity wrote:
no, you suck, you poohead. You suck for being so sure.

On December 12 2012 23:15 Bluelightz wrote:


Honestly it's the only piece of dirt that makes WBG suspicious to me, besides his defense of Adam ofc. If there is a solid case on him I'll be sure to read up though.

On December 13 2012 00:22 marvellosity wrote:


we'll kill whoever is scummiest day by day, do some thinking for yourself for god's sakes.

On December 13 2012 00:36 Tunkeg wrote:


Well, there are some seriously dumb people playing this game. If they happend to roll jk they need to be told what to do.

On December 13 2012 00:45 Tunkeg wrote:


Nah, its the same people I have called dumb earlier. Maybe they haven't noticed or forgot. Don't want to insult them more, they might just not do as told to spite me.

On December 13 2012 01:05 Tunkeg wrote:
If you can't find anyone I call dumb or anyone I am portraying as dumb then so be it.

On December 13 2012 08:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Palmar, no BL on your list?

On December 13 2012 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok palmer, was that wbg stuff for real?

On December 13 2012 09:29 Clarity_nl wrote:


Palmar confirmed not reading the thread.

On December 13 2012 09:33 wherebugsgo wrote:


really? how so? I'm really curious to know this, so I can improve my scum play for the future.

On December 13 2012 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:


I'm not trolling you. I actually want to know how you caught me.

On December 13 2012 12:43 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, I'm really not getting any scummy vibes from Jay. Other than Adam's vote on him, there's some stuff like deliberately antagonizing Palmar (YOUR vs. YOU'RE), which seems fairly townie in context. Palmar didn't like Jay's posting, and Jay turns around and starts poking Palmar with a stick. I think scum would have more of an inclination to hide and appear diplomatic rather than antagonizing your accuser.

On December 13 2012 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar huh? Like, the way you and Hapa keep attesting that anyone doubting his claim is stupid, you mean like that kind of put on the radar?

Palmar are you at least following what I'm saying?

On December 13 2012 18:47 Djodref wrote:


This is not true at all.
Adam flipped scum and his list post was saying that WBG was scum. It didn't change your opinion at all.

Adam and Tunkeg lists look almost the same, it's just lists fitting the general consensus.

What's up with your double standards ?

On December 13 2012 18:49 Tunkeg wrote:


It has put him back on the radar. People are looking into him again. Clarity had so much towncred before this hit, that scum would probably put some other guy to claim if they wanted to claim. Also scum would never hit WBG in the shitty position he was in. I find it very likely he would have been lynched day 2 had he not been shot. I would definately have voted for him today.

On December 13 2012 19:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
VE....... what? You make a giant case and then 3 posts later admit you didn't read my filter, but my vig claim is scummy somehow?

I think it's likely that debears and marv were targets of scum kp and vigi, as picking debears as your only nk would be weird.

On December 13 2012 19:56 Clarity_nl wrote:


I understand that, but leaving both you and marv alive if you're both town (which so far I think you are) would be.... not that smart.

On December 13 2012 20:53 Clarity_nl wrote:


WHY DO YOU SAY THIS RIGHT AFTER CALLING ME TOWN, BAFFLES MY MIND.

You find it intiguing?!?!

Can we just lynch this fucker.

On December 13 2012 20:52 Vivax wrote:
Before I go I have a question: What did Palmar say regarding Adam in his vid?

On December 13 2012 20:59 Djodref wrote:


I was persuaded that jay and Tunkeg were mafia yesterday and far less sure about Adam. The lack of interactions with Adam could be explained because I was a bit wary of the debears/Adam interactions and didn't want to step in. After, I went sleeping and Adam went lurking.
I didn't feel the need to interact with him yesterday, that would be my best explanation.

On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.

On December 10 2012 15:31 Djodref wrote:


So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken.
For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam.

On December 10 2012 19:59 Djodref wrote:

@ debears

Could you explain me how Adam implied heavily that thrawn was scum ?
Could you show me a post where you think his reaction was forced ?

I don't think that posting only post from a previous post-game to show an apparent contradiction is really using meta. Adam just pointed out a contradiction.

On December 14 2012 00:06 Djodref wrote:


I know, I was being sarcastic, I'm totally up for a BL lynch today.
Do you have any ideas for a possible scumteam ?

On December 11 2012 13:01 Djodref wrote:
I've watched Palmar's video and I've changed my mind a little bit about your interactions with Adam. As a result, I would lean town on you and slightly scum on Adam but I'm not yet sold on him being scum.
The latest "scumslip" is not a scumslip in my opinion because it would have been one if he was totally sure that you were scum, which doesn't look to be the case.
The fact that he dropped you is reasonable but it's not very indicative of his alignment because it was the best thing to do as scum and as town. I'm waiting to see where he is going to go with Vivax but I think that jay is more likely to be scum than him at this point.

On December 13 2012 20:52 Palmar wrote:
I also find it intriguing you never once addressed Adam, yet you have 93 instances of his name in your filter (including inside quotes). You directly interacted with both Tunkeg and Jay. You also attempted to counter-wagon Adam's lynch using both of them as targets.

On December 13 2012 20:59 Djodref wrote:
I was persuaded that jay and Tunkeg were mafia yesterday and far less sure about Adam. The lack of interactions with Adam could be explained because I was a bit wary of the debears/Adam interactions and didn't want to step in. After, I went sleeping and Adam went lurking.
I didn't feel the need to interact with him yesterday, that would be my best explanation.

On December 14 2012 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
that's because Tunkeg is a better lynch

On December 14 2012 22:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
palmr can you rank 1-3 how confident you were/are about each of your scum reads ( adam, wbg, djo)

On December 14 2012 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
let's not lynch BL, i'm enjoying his feistiness

Palmar, I spent quite some time in Djo's filter yesterday and I just didn't feel as strongly about it as you seem to, nor do I think it is the correct 'solution'. I need to recheck this 'lie' bit though.

On December 14 2012 23:52 Tunkeg wrote:


This is just horseshit and a real bad arguement for lynching him. Do we really want grush around at lylo, Bluelightz, thrawn? It could be said for half the remaining players. But it doesn't make your case on Djordref better (or worse for that matter). Scummieness is all he should be lynched for, leave all the other bullshit elsewhere.

On December 15 2012 00:17 marvellosity wrote:


Right, found it, this. I don't understand at all a player from either alignment doing this. It's just horrible.

Slightly different tack: Palmar, what makes you think Tunkeg ISN'T a good lynch?

On December 11 2012 23:51 Palmar wrote:


He has a ton of pointless inquiries that never became anything more than just him asking a bunch of stupid questions anyone with half a brain could've answered themselves.

On December 11 2012 22:10 Bluelightz wrote:


I'm defending dabears first accusation.

On December 15 2012 00:28 Vivax wrote:
Wtf is up with you marv, can you find me one thing that could even suggest that BL is town?

On December 11 2012 21:24 Vivax wrote:
I've read Adams filter.

So basically, the case on him seems to be built on "the change of tone in his post".
That post with changed tone dabears mentioned was written one day after the last ones, so it's likely that he's writing like that cause he's not heated up like the day before.

That day, he finished into an OMGUS fight with dabears, where they basically both vote for each other cause they argue about having to vote for the people you lean scum on.
And this is where the matter stinks.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&currentpage=9#171

This is dabeers post about Adam. OH SHIT HE'S SUSPICIOUS CAUSE HE'S NOT VOTING FOR THRAWN.
Look at the post, look at the voting thread, look at the reactions.
Adam voted before debears upon being accused by him of not voting thrawn, meanwhile, dabears accused Adam of something he himself did.
Only clarity so far has expressed criticism of this case against Adam, now I will, too.

1.The case is shit
2.The case is shit
3.The case is shit

Being this a shit case accepted by many people, I think there's scum trying to sheep in it.

On December 15 2012 00:35 Vivax wrote:
I'm leaving my vote carved on BL, even grush's being more productive than that guy.

On December 15 2012 00:37 Vivax wrote:
I'm saying the same thing others said aswell: That dabears case was bad, even if it hit.

On December 15 2012 00:40 Vivax wrote:
I'm not doing jackshit. If you don't have a townread on me, you clearly need to l2p.

On December 11 2012 21:58 Bluelightz wrote:
On Adam,



This caught my eye in Adam's filter, someone says "Oh Adam might be scum" he went into insta defensive mode, then he didn't address the accusation but only followed up with a counter vote. Seems strange?

On December 15 2012 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
LAWL

Oh man, selective humbleness. Palmar you're a treasure.

On December 15 2012 01:02 Tunkeg wrote:


Then why the fuck aren't you voting him?

On December 15 2012 01:07 Clarity_nl wrote:


I've addressed it in my case. That first post on Adam is like all his other commentary at the start of the game.
"Oh, this is weird", "oh, that is strange!"

Then when he has to leave and won't be back before lynch he parks his vote on Adam (which is the best decision scumwise. You won't be around to defend him so this is either a bus or a clever vote depending on if Adam gets lynched)

He votes for Adam and then he throws in "Palmar's case and my own reasons". I had to ask him for his reasons and he quoted his own post, the very post that you just showed me. Give me a break.

On December 15 2012 01:11 Clarity_nl wrote:


Why is grush probably town and why is hapa null? I don't agree with BL town but I'll consolidate for now and revisit it tomorrow.

##Unvote

On December 15 2012 01:15 Vivax wrote:
I'd expect you to be a bit more enthusiastic considering I've been pushing exactly these two all the time.

On December 15 2012 01:16 marvellosity wrote:


Why don't you just read what I wrote? :/

Counterquestion for you: Is Vivax only in your shit-list because of how he attacked the Adam case? Is Tunkeg not in your shit-list because he didn't?

On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts:

Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this.

I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips.

I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?

On December 11 2012 07:41 Tunkeg wrote:


How about you let me scumhunt the way I want to? There is plenty of spammers in this game, who have posted alot of nonsense. I will post when I feel I have something to post, I will not be sitting here nitpicking and twisting the words of every other post.

On December 15 2012 01:31 marvellosity wrote:
Your first quote about the thrawn thing: especially at that stage of the thread it was really easy to 'look good' with the approach to thrawn. I'd already basically dismissed the thrawn issue and if my memory serves, so had you. What you point out just seems so... default.

The second quote is just him being pissy. Taking on Clarity at that point would have been completely anti-productive from either a town or a scum perspective.

Why are you seeing town in these??

On December 15 2012 01:33 Vivax wrote:
I'll lynch VE, BL or jay.

Btw Palmar, I secretly love you.

On December 15 2012 01:37 marvellosity wrote:


You're not the only one who thought about it. I didn't come to satisfactory conclusions on that exact same question. I speculated that jaybrundage was supposed to be the scum wagon (on a townie) that day but due to inactivity, or inability to push it properly, it fizzled out and ended up on Adam and Tunkeg. Then if Tunkeg is scum, it's obviously best play for him to crucify Adam in his martyr post.

On December 15 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote:
This is actually quite irritating because I tihnk we both have good reasons to be pushing our respective targets (djo/tunkeg) but one of us feels more strongly on the other and I don't know how we reconcile it.

On December 15 2012 07:51 marvellosity wrote:


what were you expecting when we both agreed on a lynch? You think Tunkeg's responses today have been townie?

On December 16 2012 05:44 Z-BosoN wrote:
Palmar, any thoughts on my reads?

On December 25 2012 08:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I sheeped your bugs read and that didn't work out too well :p It's probably why you didn't get sheeped when you said tunkeg was town.

I would have jumped at the chance to lynch jay if I were still alive, even now in post game I find it hard to see what made him town, other than the fact that he didn't really push a scum agenda (other than the thrawn obsession stuff)