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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 04 2012 14:06 GMT
#27
/in

IM BACK BROS :D
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 06 2012 09:47 GMT
#58
Spur of recruitment because of me <3?
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 10 2012 12:37 GMT
#238
Alright, from reading the thread here's some rapid fire scum reads and suspicions - as well as answers after I play some games after posting this.




Firstly, thrawn. What I find suspicious about him is that first, he only answers questions when pressured, this is an example of trying not to give information to town and because he has a bunch of one-liners in his filter. Also, shall we take a look at his vote? Oh, it's on WBG, why is it on WBG??? He says that WBG has rubbed him the scummiest out of all the responses, but I think his vote is justified, and thrawn's point is not. Because WBG says because his vote (at the time on thrawn) is because of LALiars, which is possibly true because we don't know thrawn's alignment and his intentions in doing that (although thrawn has explained why he claimed Miller, but in his explanation "It first was mostly a joke but it was also intended to jumpstart discussion", wait what? He's trying to shed a good light to his mostly bad action)




Second, jaybrundage:

On December 10 2012 10:32 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it.

You tried to brush off bears vote. And then when the whole thread is asking you to explain you dont give an answer. Ok heres my thought of process. IF you dont wanna get lynched today your gonna have to try harder then that. If your a town player then your gonna have to put some effort in your defense because as it is I could totally see my self lynching you.

I dont wanna start an early easy bandwagon. But your making a pretty good case for your self why your scum.


It has been said by clarity already but how I think it is, it's a attempt to avoid pressure, also the sentence after: Does he give a bloody explanation on why thrawn is making a good case why he's scum? nope (so where's the info we can discuss bro?).

On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers.

Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective


Piggybacking other people's opinion and not giving one's own: Not giving information to the discussion. Also, lastly, I don't understand why he keeps pressuring thrawn for a response, is thrawn's response so pivotal to him?

This along with clarity's case, I will vote jaybrundage.

##vote: jaybrundage




So on my simple one post suspicions:

On December 10 2012 12:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
alrighty.

I've concluded from the current events that there's an 80% preliminary chance that Palmar is scum.

Therefore I'm voting him, at least until he comes back and proves me otherwise.

##unvote
##vote Palmar


Why, everyone knows that chances suck balls in mafia correct? This is as same as lying to be frank (does he know more than we do? Does he know more shit so he can base his 80% chance that Palmar is scum? Is this just an attempt to get a good town player d34d through the lynch?)

On December 10 2012 14:11 debears wrote:
Clarity in particular I like this part

That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers.

Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective[/QUOTE]

He says:
1) There's no town mindset in saying it
2) There's a lot of scum mindset

Yet, he keeps warning thrawn he'll get lynch if he keeps it up. And the wishy-washiness despite having said the above
[/QUOTE]

"Hey he found it but I'll explain this thing he found!" Doesn't bother to read jaybrundage's filter, but simply describes what jay said in his post.




Okay game time. Gonna drop my vote off in the voting thread


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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 12:27 GMT
#539
Palmar, when in the video did you comment on adam (the time pls). I only skimmed through it at school.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 12:58 GMT
#543
On Adam,

On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


This caught my eye in Adam's filter, someone says "Oh Adam might be scum" he went into insta defensive mode, then he didn't address the accusation but only followed up with a counter vote. Seems strange?

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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 13:06 GMT
#547
On December 11 2012 22:03 Vivax wrote:
Hey Bluelightz, did you read?

Adam got accused by dabears of not voting the guy he was questioning.
Meanwhile, dabears didn't vote Adam while accusing him of this, thus making himself guilty of the same "mistake".
Adam notices it, and
1. votes for him since it's what he wanted
2. Says it's suspicious that dabears himself didn't vote for Adam.



Is voting necessary when one has suspicions on someone? No. It's up to them when they vote.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 13:09 GMT
#550
"Being this a shit case accepted by many people"

By many do you mean only you? Aaaand I don't see any "The case on Adam is bad" in clarity's filter..?
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 13:10 GMT
#554
On December 11 2012 22:09 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 22:06 Bluelightz wrote:

Is voting necessary when one has suspicions on someone? No. It's up to them when they vote.


By saying that you're actually defending Adam against dabears first accusations. Dunno if you even realize that.


I'm defending dabears first accusation.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 13:42 GMT
#566
Vivax, do you understand the difference between the both? dabears post is only a simple thing of pointing out/answering a question, however Adam has pushed thrawn heavily. See the difference?

Also, dabear if you could explain/join this talk it would be nice.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 14:33 GMT
#594
On December 11 2012 23:03 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 22:42 Bluelightz wrote:
Vivax, do you understand the difference between the both? dabears post is only a simple thing of pointing out/answering a question, however Adam has pushed thrawn heavily. See the difference?

Also, dabear if you could explain/join this talk it would be nice.


In what universe did this happen?



Woops. By that I mean he has more posts on thrawn then a simple point on someone
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 16:40 GMT
#645
On December 12 2012 00:38 Vivax wrote:
BLUELIGHTZZZZ, I need to know what you think of Palmar!


He's townie, from the contributions he has produced and his activeness.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 16:43 GMT
#648
Aight. From the thread, I'm gonna vote

##Vote: Adam4167

Because of Palmar's case and my own reasons. I believe this is the most helpful vote I can put in before I sleep as I have school so can't be here @ the deadline.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 16:45 GMT
#651
On December 12 2012 01:42 marvellosity wrote:
BL, do you still think jay is the scummiest?


Losing confidence in his lynch, so I switched to Adam because it will probably be the lynch (barring any new cases while I sleep) and because of the reasons I have listed.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 16:46 GMT
#654
Clarity,

On December 11 2012 21:58 Bluelightz wrote:
On Adam,

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


This caught my eye in Adam's filter, someone says "Oh Adam might be scum" he went into insta defensive mode, then he didn't address the accusation but only followed up with a counter vote. Seems strange?



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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 16:47 GMT
#655
On December 12 2012 01:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 01:45 Bluelightz wrote:
On December 12 2012 01:42 marvellosity wrote:
BL, do you still think jay is the scummiest?


Losing confidence in his lynch, so I switched to Adam because it will probably be the lynch (barring any new cases while I sleep) and because of the reasons I have listed.


Are you losing confidence in his lynch or are you losing confidence that he is scum?


scumuuu and lynch because of his active defence of himself and the new cases.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 16:49 GMT
#659
If you guys have any questions to ask me now, please ask it because I'm sleeping after.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 11 2012 16:57 GMT
#666
On December 12 2012 01:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 01:46 Bluelightz wrote:
Clarity,

On December 11 2012 21:58 Bluelightz wrote:
On Adam,

On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


This caught my eye in Adam's filter, someone says "Oh Adam might be scum" he went into insta defensive mode, then he didn't address the accusation but only followed up with a counter vote. Seems strange?





See, here's the problem with that explanation, that post is so vaguely worded it's hard to derive anything from it. You just threw our random suspicion.... "oh you guys this looks kinda weird, dunno!" You never said it looked scummy or townie or why.

Please explain why you think he's scum other than the reasons Palmar gave.


1. Overreaction (or whatever you will call it) on thrawn's miller claim (Trying to make the most out of an easy way to lynch someone is scummy no?)

2. My above reason because to me it looks scummy because he's being very caution about himself.

3.
On December 11 2012 22:58 Adam4167 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 11 2012 19:12 Palmar wrote:
I don't understand what that "scumslip" is either.

I think I explained in the video why I don't like Adam's first post:

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 09:56 Adam4167 wrote:
Thrawn,

I don't know you, can you link me some of your games as scum on here.


Basically, it's a legit question, but it's very easy to just click on someone's profile, go to posts and find recent games. Maybe Adam's just being lazy, but this post reeks of him trying to convey to the thread that he's going to be actively looking at people.

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


Again, I'm working on the assumption Adam isn't dumb. It's pretty clear what thrawn is doing, and trying to wonder about it is dumb and pointless. Adam is lingering way too much on a silly stunt pulled by a random person, and asking all the wrong questions.

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions.

Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category.


Again, he's coming on with this idea that thrawn's actions require extensive analysis, it's very clear (to me at least) what thrawn is doing, and either it means he's scum and fucked up, or he's town and has a terrible plan-idea-thing. I concluded the latter to be the case, but adam seems really confused by something so elementary.

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 12:45 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
On December 10 2012 12:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah, but there's a difference between the original intentions of what I did and what comes out of it


no one knows your original intentions because you made a stupid play and then refused to explain it (I'm going to presume out of embarrassment, since anything else is just pathetic)

Adam, thoughts on debears?


He announced in thread to be voting for Thrawn, but the vote never made it into the voting thread, then he builds a case on me around not voting on someone that I had said I wasn't sure of the alignment of.

Ill be watching him closely today.



Not putting shit in the voting thread is not scummy at all, and hardly worth talking about. I don't know why Adam keeps obsessing about irrelevant things this game.

Also "I'll be watching him closely today." made me laugh. It's just how he's saying it that gets my lynchfinger all twitchy.

---

In addition to this Adam calls debears out for not voting him, which is yet another thing I find fairly irrelevant, the action of voting adds or relieves no pressure at all in this game, it's the mind behind it that does.

Everything Adam has done and said this game feels careful, calculated and often irrelevant and inconclusive.

He should be the lynch for today.



I've already defended mostly this same case from dabears, so I'm not going to go over it all again.

How is playing carefully and calculated alignment indicative at all? You may have found my line of questioning irrelevant, but I didn't, hence why I did it.




Vivax, can you expand on your thoughts on VE and Thrawn and why did you drop pursuit of them so suddenly?


dodges a case by saying "this same case by debears" rather than responding to it (taking every opportunity to defend is in my opinion a townie thing because the townie actively seeks to prevent a mislynch, unlike here).
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 12 2012 11:38 GMT
#1077
@Clarity's case:

Point number one: "Because he will probably the lynch" your explanation "Oooh red font will make the reader totally understand that this point is scummy for no reason at all that I have explained :D"

Point number two: "Something about sheeping" Uhh, the point I pointed out was indeed strange, and in my opinion, scummy. Does it take red font for someone to understand that a point is scummy? I gave this note out because one, I based my Adam vote on this and the existing cases, and two because this helps push my target (Adam).

On December 12 2012 09:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Adam where's your crumb?

##Vote Adam4167


You are clearly sheeping too clarity.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 12 2012 11:40 GMT
#1079
Also, on my huge post then disappearance, I didn't feel like anything was worth commenting on and posting null reads are probably useless.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 12 2012 11:40 GMT
#1080
On December 12 2012 20:39 Palmar wrote:
Hey bluelightz, you down for killing bugs tomorrow?


I'm fine if there's a consensus on bugs.
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