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On December 25 2012 03:29 Z-BosoN wrote:
Djo, I just chose to feast on the fact that VE ignored me in the past couple of games we played. In case someone entioned that (like hapa did), I would simply cite the scum qt in CT as I did. Also, I think jay completely ingored him as well, despite him calling jay scum in day one.
I also remember I said ill have to look at someone else and didn't do that, so that's a really small tell.
Also, if you reallly thought I didn't give VE attention because he was my scummate, why the hell would I give scummate hapa so much attention, if this were any decent tell?
Anyways, it's not. Me and marv interacted a fair bunch this game.
Yeah, but you interacted as town players having town reads on each other. VE had been calling both of you scum basically for free, so I don't think you should have let this shit fly. But, yeah, it's a small tell.
Regarding jay, he is really the best mislynch I have ever seen ^^
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On December 25 2012 03:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
The obviously fake vet claim should have tipped you off, Djo.
I think you might remember a certain newbie game with an equally shitty and convenient claim, by Yours Truly.
Yeah, I know, It was too convenient. But I was really torn.
Did you see Munk-E filter ?
Also it would have been the perfect way to frame marv, not to kill him.
This claim wasn't making so much sense, but I've been fooled once again ^^
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On December 25 2012 04:07 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 03:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
The obviously fake vet claim should have tipped you off, Djo.
I think you might remember a certain newbie game with an equally shitty and convenient claim, by Yours Truly. Yeah, I know, It was too convenient. But I was really torn. Did you see Munk-E filter ? Also it would have been the perfect way to frame marv, not to kill him. This claim wasn't making so much sense, but I've been fooled once again ^^
my thoughts on this were..
as scum, what would you be more worried about? an alive marv at lylo who people are worried about because he's at lylo, or a dead marv at lylo who you can't frame for a mislynch?
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I don`t understand how the vet claim exonerated marv. None of the NK`s went missing, and he was supposedly Jailed night 1. Marv wasn't shot and its LYLO? You kidding me? Vet or not, that's some crazy shit.
Seriously, #1 policy lynch: Marv @ LYLO
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Well played, well played scum.
VEs interactions with Z-Boson led me onto the wrong tracks regarding him. I shall thereby not be led by scum in my beliefs.
I would like to know if marv could achieve the same results with a smurf account. I noticed that so many townies are afraid of pushing against him. He deviates arguments so effectively by either provoking or asking questions that make you think he's town when you try to answer them.
Z-Boson was kinda lurky until the end. Still a really good play in terms of invisibility The only ones making cases on you were VE and thrawn I think. When I tried to join VE on the bandwagon against you he immediately called me out for scummy bandwagoning, I think that's indicative of it having been a fake case, in retrospect. He should have been glad to have people on his bandwagon, instead he did the opposite. Well, fuck me, I could have seen it and made the connection..
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On December 25 2012 05:27 Vivax wrote:
Well played, well played scum.
VEs interactions with Z-Boson led me onto the wrong tracks regarding him. I shall thereby not be led by scum in my beliefs.
I would like to know if marv could achieve the same results with a smurf account. I noticed that so many townies are afraid of pushing against him. He deviates arguments so effectively by either provoking or asking questions that make you think he's town when you try to answer them.
Z-Boson was kinda lurky until the end. Still a really good play in terms of invisibility The only ones making cases on you were VE and thrawn I think. When I tried to join VE on the bandwagon against you he immediately called me out for scummy bandwagoning, I think that's indicative of it having been a fake case, in retrospect. He should have been glad to have people on his bandwagon, instead he did the opposite. Well, fuck me, I could have seen it and made the connection..
Hi Vivax. You could be a pretty decent player, because you're hard working, attentive, and you pick up things. These are all fine qualities for playing mafia. However, somewhere among all this is the tendency to go crazy (see scum thrawn theory, amongst others). This means that the little pearls you drag up are lost in the quagmire of crap that you bring up the rest of the time.
To Djodref: next time it'll be different 
And yeah, I had to keep telling Z-Bo to not bus me, he'd been wanting to for days.
I'm curious if I, as town, would have lynched jay day 4 like that. I'd like to think I wouldn't but it's hard to say. Especially as I was occupying one of the 2 scum slots at that stage, which wouldn't be the case if I were town.
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also, I have to say that Z-Bo was brilliant on the final day. His level of interaction with Hapa was beyond what I'd hoped, and actually gave us the situation where even if I got lynched, grush was my scumbuddy. Seriously well played right there.
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also Dandel, don't flatter yourself that your claim was anything like mine. It was not. Yours was borne out of desperation.
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The Jay and Tunkeg lynches were awful. We had a bunch of townies who knew they weren't scum but we still allowed it to happen.
It's what I get for lacking confidence in my reads since I haven't been active for a long time.
Town really should have lynched marv on day 4. Marv is a top player and those should be aggressively interrogated and lynched beyond days 1-2. You guys are way too afraid of pushing big names. We're big boys, we can take care of ourselves.
I really want to know where this town thing of just randomly defending people for no reason at all (djodref, vivax both defended adam on day 1) comes from. If the target is town, wouldn't they usually be capable of defending themselves? There is obviously nothing wrong with defending townies if you're certain in your reads, but damn, you really have to be.
I didn't play well myself this game, I got caught up in playing as I wanted the game to be, instead of how it is.
I gotta say though, mostly I'm fairly impressed by the amount of work people are putting in these days. Almost everyone is participating in the games and being useful.
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I sheeped your bugs read and that didn't work out too well :p It's probably why you didn't get sheeped when you said tunkeg was town.
I would have jumped at the chance to lynch jay if I were still alive, even now in post game I find it hard to see what made him town, other than the fact that he didn't really push a scum agenda (other than the thrawn obsession stuff)
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On December 25 2012 08:42 marvellosity wrote:
also Dandel, don't flatter yourself that your claim was anything like mine. It was not. Yours was borne out of desperation.
lol
Your claim was quite obviously fake, town just didn't pick up on it at all.
Which sounds exactly the same tbh.
You can keep telling me how horrible I am, cause I am, but that claim was so obviously fake even I saw it first second, so yeah...
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On December 25 2012 08:55 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 08:42 marvellosity wrote:
also Dandel, don't flatter yourself that your claim was anything like mine. It was not. Yours was borne out of desperation. lol Your claim was quite obviously fake, town just didn't pick up on it at all. Which sounds exactly the same tbh. You can keep telling me how horrible I am, cause I am, but that claim was so obviously fake even I saw it first second, so yeah...
you just have confirmation bias. but i'm not gonna argue, so that's the last i'll say on it.
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On December 25 2012 08:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I sheeped your bugs read and that didn't work out too well :p It's probably why you didn't get sheeped when you said tunkeg was town.
I would have jumped at the chance to lynch jay if I were still alive, even now in post game I find it hard to see what made him town, other than the fact that he didn't really push a scum agenda (other than the thrawn obsession stuff)
I don't know, I never thought jay was scum once I realized Adam was. Not sure what it was, the guy just didn't look like someone who is scum.
And honestly, I meant to push bugs the day after, but I want to go through the whole process of interrogating players. Try to vigi shitty lurkers and other trash, don't vig into active people.
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On December 25 2012 08:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 08:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I sheeped your bugs read and that didn't work out too well :p It's probably why you didn't get sheeped when you said tunkeg was town.
I would have jumped at the chance to lynch jay if I were still alive, even now in post game I find it hard to see what made him town, other than the fact that he didn't really push a scum agenda (other than the thrawn obsession stuff) I don't know, I never thought jay was scum once I realized Adam was. Not sure what it was, the guy just didn't look like someone who is scum. And honestly, I meant to push bugs the day after, but I want to go through the whole process of interrogating players. Try to vigi shitty lurkers and other trash, don't vig into active people.
Ehhh, fair enough. I just didn't get those vibes but at this point it's probably just me being silly.
As for my shot, if one more person tells me I shouldn't have shot an active and controversial player I'm gonna cry :'( I GET IT!!!
Thanks though!
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you shouldn't have shot an active and controversial player
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On December 25 2012 09:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
you shouldn't have shot an active and controversial player
I HOPE YOU DIE IN A PIT OF AGONY AND DESPAIR AND YOUR CHILDRENS CHILDREN GET REALLY GOOD AT BAKING COOKIES
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yet another game where try hard thrawn doesn't catch any scum.... i think i'm gonna take a break from playing for awhile and just obs games in the meantime
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IMO it's fine to vigi active people if it's your own read. If you vigi someone on someone else's read then you fucked up.
The only time I have ever missed as a vig is when I'm using someone else's read.
e: also I disagree with Palmar about the defending thing, if you genuinely believe the target is town and in danger of being mislynched then defend him. That's why I defended djo and jay so hard, because I thought they were free mislynch bait.
I fell into the trap of "assume this guy is town until later" with marv since he was in the top 2-3 of people who weren't being completely retarded/inactive/not caring. My bad on that. He actually had decent things to say on d1 and that's why I considered him town over Palmar for the jail protect (Though there was no way I was going to guess the debears shot)
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I just wanted to get rid of my shot and play some mafia, really.
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On December 25 2012 10:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
IMO it's fine to vigi active people if it's your own read. If you vigi someone on someone else's read then you fucked up.
The only time I have ever missed as a vig is when I'm using someone else's read.
e: also I disagree with Palmar about the defending thing, if you genuinely believe the target is town and in danger of being mislynched then defend him. That's why I defended djo and jay so hard, because I thought they were free mislynch bait.
I fell into the trap of "assume this guy is town until later" with marv since he was in the top 2-3 of people who weren't being completely retarded/inactive/not caring. My bad on that. He actually had decent things to say on d1 and that's why I considered him town over Palmar for the jail protect (Though there was no way I was going to guess the debears shot)
this is very silly. regardless of alignment, probably i have more sensible things to say than most of the playerbase.
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