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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
December 24 2012 02:45 GMT
#3261
Oh and I'm not going to go over any kind of individual play. I dont think I'm a person who can talk about that kind of stuff.
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
December 24 2012 03:36 GMT
#3262
On December 24 2012 11:45 HiroPro wrote:
Oh and I'm not going to go over any kind of individual play. I dont think I'm a person who can talk about that kind of stuff.


I request everyone give me a :gj grush you didnt troll and did pretty good, or i hate you, bad player
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 24 2012 04:43 GMT
#3263
On December 24 2012 12:36 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 11:45 HiroPro wrote:
Oh and I'm not going to go over any kind of individual play. I dont think I'm a person who can talk about that kind of stuff.


I request everyone give me a :gj grush you didnt troll and did pretty good, or i hate you, bad player


I'd say you did fine. You just had the wrong read on marv and z-bo. But, both of them played pretty darn well :D
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 24 2012 04:57 GMT
#3264
yeah, they played very well...

congratulations to you guys ! Jay is indeed the best mislynch I have ever seen.
And yeah, I'm sorry Hapa ^^
I'm glad I got Z-Bo as scum on the end though ^^
I'll know better for my next game, but I think I missed some good hints at both of you being scum.
Marv being alive and not taking the leadership, I'll remember
Z-Bo flying under the radar and not finding scum, I'll remember as well

We should have lynched VE day2 when he went pants on head against Clarity, I was sire
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 24 2012 04:57 GMT
#3265
I was sure that VE was not that dumb...
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
December 24 2012 04:59 GMT
#3266
On December 24 2012 12:36 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 11:45 HiroPro wrote:
Oh and I'm not going to go over any kind of individual play. I dont think I'm a person who can talk about that kind of stuff.


I request everyone give me a :gj grush you didnt troll and did pretty good, or i hate you, bad player


I am happy to play with you in LVIII so take that as you will. As long as we don't both roll scum I'll be fine with you. STARSENSES man.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-24 05:24:28
December 24 2012 05:23 GMT
#3267
Huh i was right with my gut read about z-boson he just felt useless lol. GJ scum team.


Ill be honest tho i thought Djo might flip scum
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 24 2012 06:21 GMT
#3268
On December 24 2012 14:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Huh i was right with my gut read about z-boson he just felt useless lol. GJ scum team.


Ill be honest tho i thought Djo might flip scum


@ jay

yeah, but next time, please take the time to write a case at least. You really didn't fight at all ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 24 2012 06:51 GMT
#3269
On December 24 2012 12:36 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 11:45 HiroPro wrote:
Oh and I'm not going to go over any kind of individual play. I dont think I'm a person who can talk about that kind of stuff.


I request everyone give me a :gj grush you didnt troll and did pretty good, or i hate you, bad player


No, good job on looking town. You did better than me...
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 24 2012 07:11 GMT
#3270
Yeah grush I've heard you were notoriously hard to read but this game you felt pretty townie, I only really started doubting at lylo. Djo I have some kind of mental block when it comes to you so..... :D But you never truly feel like scum, I just have a hard time seeing you as town.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 24 2012 07:12 GMT
#3271
shout out to clarity and debears for knowing i'm dumb and didn't initially mean anything by my miller "claim"
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 24 2012 16:14 GMT
#3272
Djo, being wrong is not being scum
I didnt fly under the radar (at least not for the later days), its just you guys didnt pressure me at all. Thrawn just made a case that had some decent arguments but were buried in many exagerations and misinterpretationss that made it easy to defend. Djo you kept making non-arguments such as me speculating and me being wrong (even when i was pushong someone you thought to be scum). You also found me scum with hpa, which was very far-fetched, you just had too much confirmation bias to listen to anything that we were saying
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 24 2012 16:45 GMT
#3273
On December 25 2012 01:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
Djo, being wrong is not being scum
I didnt fly under the radar (at least not for the later days), its just you guys didnt pressure me at all. Thrawn just made a case that had some decent arguments but were buried in many exagerations and misinterpretationss that made it easy to defend. Djo you kept making non-arguments such as me speculating and me being wrong (even when i was pushong someone you thought to be scum). You also found me scum with hpa, which was very far-fetched, you just had too much confirmation bias to listen to anything that we were saying


By flying under the radar, I just wanted to say that you were not in people's face. And the feeling I got from you is that you were less engaged and that you didn't interact so much with people. Also your cases were a little off topic.
Yeah, I was having confirmation bias, but I was very hesitant the last day. All of you could be scum with VE because you all gave silly reason for him to be town at some point. I should have seen that the fact that VE was poking at you (he had call both marv and you scum) and that you let the shit fly when VE was clearly scummy should have been a good indicator.

And yeah, I respect you, so you not finding scum is a good hint at a scum Z-Bo
Obviously, it doesn't work for everybody.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 24 2012 16:48 GMT
#3274
But both marv and you played well. Don't worry about that ^^
And yeah, I was having confirmation bias
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 24 2012 17:39 GMT
#3275
So if all of us gave a shitty reason for him to be town, then giving a shitty reason for him to be town is not a good scum tell =/

Just as a forewarning, my next scum play will be quite different from this one, thanks for the heads up
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 24 2012 17:41 GMT
#3276
On December 24 2012 14:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Huh i was right with my gut read about z-boson he just felt useless lol. GJ scum team.


Ill be honest tho i thought Djo might flip scum


Gut reads are useless if you can't convince anyone of them. The obs QT has a lot of discussion regarding this topic, I found it very interesting.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 24 2012 18:15 GMT
#3277
On December 25 2012 02:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
So if all of us gave a shitty reason for him to be town, then giving a shitty reason for him to be town is not a good scum tell =/

Just as a forewarning, my next scum play will be quite different from this one, thanks for the heads up


The thing is that you said something like: "I have to look at this guy" and you didn't give any follow-up.
And suddenly you have a case ready after my big case against him. That was something I explained here :

On December 24 2012 05:58 Djodref wrote:
@ marv

Regarding Z-Bo, he has totally ignored VE from quite a long time in the game.

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 12:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
On December 13 2012 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Also Z-Bo, who's your top scumread now in the face of the WBG flip? Still Vivax?


No, tbh I don't think vivax is scum anymore. Despite his weird-as-fuck vote on Adam, the rest of his play feels to me like he is involved. Jay isn't looking too hot, and neither is Djo. VE is also someone I have to look more carefully, as well as yourself.
Point a gun to my head and I'd say jay.


So, here, Z-Bo is saying that he needs to look at VE and Hapa carefully. But does he really do it ?

Here is Z-Bo stance on the game

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 04:42 Z-BosoN wrote:
Godamn it...

Here's my take at the game at the moment.
*snip*
tl;dr
  • I think both marv and Palmar are town.
  • Likely one, if not two, and holy hell even three scum are found in Djo/Vivax/Hapa/Bluelightz/jay (I added Hapa here mostly due to elimination and because his two of his town-reads coincide with my scum reads. (Since, like I said earlier, scum really don't want to bus, it would make sense to give a fellow scum a town read at this point in the game))
  • The shady and hard to read group of VE and grush57 may also have one scum.


I didn't proof read, but tried to make it easier to understand as I was writing this.

Let me know what you guys think.


Hapa is added here by elimination and VE is hard to read...

And here comes Z-Bo after my case on VE

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 12:07 Z-BosoN wrote:
Okay, I'm down to lynching VE.

I don't like how he disappeared and hasn't really responded to anything. He doesn't seem interested in the game AT ALL. If you guys recall, we hadn't interacted at all up until he noted my "scumslip". He then made his "case" on me:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&currentpage=81#1607

And parked his vote on me. This came at a time when I had some pressure on me. I agree a lot with Djo's point on how he is really just going with the flow.

Note how his play is in complete contrast with his game on Liquid City. When he found me to be scum, he spent quite some time interacting with me, prodding around asking other people (BC) what they thought of me, etc. He then gave some attention elsewhere when I wasnt getting any traction. Take a look at the interaction that begins in the last 4-5 posts of this page:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=117978&currentpage=8

And some in the next page as well.

This game it's complete and utter crap. He gives a crap reason (that basically surmounts to: I'm prodding people everywhere) and doesnt push me, doesnt do shit. He parks his vote on me and keeps it there, saying later just how he'd be down to lynch me. Doesn't ask other people what they think of me, doesn't try to push his "scum read".

There's also that whole Palmar wants him dead thing.

I'm curious to see what his next move is.



And seriously, if Hapa flips red, it means that I bussed 2 of my teammates during day3. When I just could accept to be lynched and let someone else get the credit for it.

Please also note who Z-Bo has tunneled during this game: Vivax, Tunkeg, WBG and me (all town players)
And then suddendly today he started tunneling Hapa.

I don't see town Z-Bo failing that hard to find scum...


Also, you have him as possible scum, and you don't give a shit when he call you scum for free.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next game we play together, but you got me fooled for quite a long time, so really congratz.

Also I would like to present my excuses for not having voted against marv. I should have kept it simple. He fooled me this time, but it's not going to happen again. It was the first time to play with scum marv
I should have been more involded at the end as well, but this game had exhausted me.


Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 24 2012 18:19 GMT
#3278
The obviously fake vet claim should have tipped you off, Djo.

I think you might remember a certain newbie game with an equally shitty and convenient claim, by Yours Truly.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 24 2012 18:29 GMT
#3279
Djo, I just chose to feast on the fact that VE ignored me in the past couple of games we played. In case someone entioned that (like hapa did), I would simply cite the scum qt in CT as I did. Also, I think jay completely ingored him as well, despite him calling jay scum in day one.

I also remember I said ill have to look at someone else and didn't do that, so that's a really small tell.

Also, if you reallly thought I didn't give VE attention because he was my scummate, why the hell would I give scummate hapa so much attention, if this were any decent tell?
Anyways, it's not. Me and marv interacted a fair bunch this game.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 24 2012 18:30 GMT
#3280
Oh and I was itching to bus marv ever since day 3 btw. We really couldnt believe town was not asking questions about him
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