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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 08:18 wherebugsgo wrote: you don't lynch claimed blues on d1 out of policy because you're bad. Imagine every scum claimed some sort of blue d1, you're guaranteed to kill a townie day 1. This type of logic is just absurd. If every scum claimed blue D1 we'd win super easily... | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 08:22 wherebugsgo wrote: till the townies start claiming blue. you don't know what you're talking about. Also, my post was an extreme. Imagine one scum claims blue. Then what? He can just claim roleblock forever. I know exactly what i'm taking about. During D1, do not lynch claimed blues. You seem to have my policy confused with something else, because I've never seen someone claim roleblock forever on D1. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 08:23 Xatalos wrote: If DYH actually is Vigi, then I guess I'm dead. I doubt he would have claimed at the last minute if he was fake claiming, even though it did save him after all, so who knows. In any case we now have two claimed blues and one dead VT. Not the greatest position at all, unless there's a liar among these two, which is a real possibility. At least we'll know if DYH actually was Vigi in 24 hours. Well no here's the thing: I doubt he'd have claimed last minute if his claim was TRUE. Like, if DYH claimed 30 minutes before deadline or whenever votes piled up on him it'd make sense, but why claim when there's almost no time for town to consolidate onto any wagon but DPs? This is why DYH has earned very little cred in my book. He escaped the D1 lynch but I extend him no more courtesy than that. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 08:24 austinmcc wrote: : In your initial post, you didn't say "Claim your shot so we know." You were relieved we didn't lynch "the vigi." Not "the claimed vigi." Not "someone who might be vigi." Not "now we can figure out if that's a real claim or fakeclaim." Read that post of yours, your first one. It doesn't say unconfirmed, it doesn't hedge, it is absolutely certain that DYH is a vigi. Whatever, it's a wording thing. Scumslips don't exist. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 08:28 MrZentor wrote: But BH, claiming 2 minutes before the deadline isn't optimal for the person who claims, regardless of whether the claim is true or not. So the time when DYH claimed vigil doesn't really tell us anything about his alignment. You are correct, and that is in fact what I was sort of getting at. DYH's Vigi claim meant lynching him D1 wasn't the best move. We should give him a chance to shoot and prove himself. It doesn't mean he's off the table for a D2 lynch in the slightest. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote: the guy who claimed cop d1 dares call someone else stupid? well I guess it was a pretty smart move for you considering that you are scum and everyone else is too stupid to realize how much of a scummy move that was. WBG please, even assuming that we are stupid, you are a good contributor and an excellent arguer. We all have much to learn from you. I know that as town you can lead towns, even jubjub towns, onto good lynches. Why don't you try to be a bit less abrasive about this and we can talk more reasonably about marv, okay? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 08:31 Xatalos wrote: Hmmm. I guess you're right if we assume that he estimated he might still be saved with that claim. But it was technically after the deadline, although the votes after that were still counted somehow, so I'm not so sure about that. I got the gut feeling that he would have claimed at least a bit earlier if it was a fake claim - not very likely too late. Like, what's the point in fake claiming after the deadline has passed? Something tells me it could very well be frustrated townie. But we'll see about that before tomorrow in any case. Yeah ultimately whatever we have to say about DYH will be informed by his called shot, and who's alive and who's dead when we wake up. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) Blazinghand why is it okay for Marvelosity to call people retarded but not Bug? I decided I'm tired of people insulting each other so from now on whenever it happens I'm asking it to stop. On December 02 2012 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote: 2) Blazinghand, why was marv fake-claiming scum when votes were on him, but "gets a check tonight" now that he's not lynched? I'm not saying the DT should check him, I'm saying that with 2 blues claimed there's only a 50% chance he'll get blocked, so he can make a check. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote: Go back and look at how BH switches his votes and how he reasons them. Look at how he attacks DP. I made by far the best case against DP, a solid (though as it turns out, ultimately incorrect) meta case. I sat down and did the homework on it. I'm gonna admit the reasoning on the MrZ vote was bad, but if your critique of my play is "BH swaps around a lot" then yeah okay I swap around a lot, but that's just how I roll. On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote: Firstly, one could argue that voteswitching doesn't really tell us anything about how BH is scum or not. Sure, one could argue that, but then consider that BH doesn't do any work in pushing his targets either. He switches really often, usually with no attached reason, and he's so erratic that no one really knows what he's going to do or why he's going to do it. ALWAYS with an attached reason, usually because unlike you I actually try to interact with people in this thread and listen to what they have to say. I don't think people here are retarded. I don't like getting talked out of things, but if someone genuinely convinces me that a read is wrong, then yes I will unvote and vote someone else because my goal is to lynch scum. On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote: As town I feel like BH usually at least gives reasons for attacking people. It looks as if he feigned contribution on DP/Zentor, Zentor was a mistake, but I DID put in lots of work on both him and DP. just because I use links instead of quotes to make my meta cases more legible doesn't mean they're bad. On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote: and stuff like this: suggests that he's more concerned with his appearance than actually finding scum. What? It suggests that I'm dubious of people on my wagon but I'm still confident in my read. On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote: What's especially weird is his vote switches between DP and DYH. These are just done for no reason at all and he never states why his suspicion of either changes as he does it. Lastly, I haven't heard anyone yet say that they find BH to be townie. Notice how people consistently call him scum (even marv did) and no one really considers him town, but there's always a different target with the attention on them. I trust MrZ's read and I thought it was reasonable. I still think it's reasonable and DYH is scummy, and I swapped back to DP because I don't lynch blues D1. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 10:03 Keirathi wrote: This is the part that I disagree with. He pointed out a direct counter-point to your claim, but that didn't change anything? "Herp derp, Here's what DP only does when he's scum." "Oh wait, he did that as town before too? DOESN'T MATTER STILL SCUM." That's such faulty logic that I find it hard to believe that you actually believed that. The case itself was fine, but when presented evidence to the contrary, you just didn't care and kept on tunneling. I'm either tunnelling or wishy-washy you can't have it both ways | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 09:54 wherebugsgo wrote: the "best case" on DP was still garbage, and despite the fact that I pointed that out repeatedly you managed (along with derpellosity over here) to still tunnel him to death. So, BH, if you are town, who is scum then? currently DYH, will have more closer to daybreak | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 10:08 Blazinghand wrote: currently DYH, will have more closer to daybreak subject of course to night acitons | ||
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