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because I wasn't there when the vote switch happened.
I was aware that BH wanted to kill DYH (he wanted to kill a lot of people) and so I looked at DYH's posts. That was probably the only time I did. I have no idea at what point during day 1 it was but it was definitely before the vote switch. I didn't find him to be scummy so I just ignored it.
Secondly, even if I was there I wasn't going to switch my vote from marv to DYH given the fact that my default reaction is to call someone town. I would only ever switch to ensure a lynch in a no-lynch situation. I'm not going to play eenie meeny miny moe because you idiots want to kill someone I have a townread on.
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and for the record the reason I wasn't around at lynch time was because I was playing dota.
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cool, I was right. You're biased and bad. Let's move on.
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also I let them die. ROFL. Yes, I let five people vote for DP. Yes, I, the lone voice against the DP lynch, allowed him to die.
Sounds about right.
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actually to be fair Ace agreed with me, but the level of stupidity scared him off methinks
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On December 04 2012 10:59 Blazinghand wrote:Well, I must say the case on ShiaoPi DOES exist, but I don't see him as a good lynch today, for a couple of reasons. Although VE's interactions towards ShiaoPi don't paint ShiaoPi as town, I don't find ShiaoPi's interactions towards Marv or VE to indicate he was acting with scum motive. Typically ShiaoPi is a player who is analytical, thinks a lot, and doesn't write lots of big cases. When he does, though, they're logically consistent and show his mindset. I don't like that he backs of Xalatos in his big post on page 59. I don't think Xalatos is any townier now than he was yesterday. He says he has a "clear scumtell" from Xatalos but the voting pattern doesn't line up. I disagree with this, and I think ShiaoPi would realize that scum would much rather shoot than push Marv, who is a dangerous player as town. In fact, Marv is known for getting shot N1. I just don't think that ShiaoPi would reread Xalatos filter, and find him scummy but say that Xalatos' saving grace is that he didn't vote Marv. Scum shot marv-- they always had the ability to do so. I like that he voted Keirathi, because Keirathi is scum. But ShaioPi's thoughts on Xalatos are not consistent with someone who is thinking critically about Xatalos' play and finding him scummy but with exceptions. I'd be willing to consider a ShiaoPi lynch today if people aren't willing to get on board with Keirathi. As it stands, though Keirathi is a better lynch. The fact that this is his chief contribution aside from defending himself and tunnelling me is apalling. Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 04:03 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 03:39 DoYouHas wrote:
Keirathi, what I have gathered about you is that you think Sandro is town, and the rest is you pushing BH. You put together a pretty good case against BH based off of you following along even when you weren't playing. Are there any other players you had strong opinions/thoughts on that are still relevant? Strong opinions? Not particularly. I'm minorly interested in ShiaoPi/Zealos/(kinda)austin, outside of BH. (Maybe MrZ too, but I have no fucking clue how to read him.) Zealos because he hasn't done a damn thing. ShiaoPi because he didn't seem very invested in the game day 1, was happy to go along with the BH lynch while it was the popular opinion, and then happily changed his mind again as soon as the popular opinion was that BH was probably town. austin just because he's hard to read and he played follow-the-leader with his voting, which kind of reminds me of how he played in aperture. pure waffling. Where are your reads? where's your pressure, Keirathi? You are scum trying to wriggle out of the spotlight now that you've realized your case on me is revealed for what it is!
more bad meta usage.
gtfo, you don't know what you're talking about.
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LOL and the sheep come out.
Keep coming out fuckers, I dare you.
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I've been "detrimental to town". When I could have ripped dabears a new asshole for incessantly tunneling me.
Dabears attacks me for not being aggressive enough to him. And yet I'm being attacked for being too aggressive.
Blazinghand says some retarded shit about Shiaopi which has almost no relevance to anything whatsoever, and I'm the one being accused of being detrimental to town.
Marvellosity and BH tunnel an obvious townie and get him lynched, I try to stop it, and I'm accused of having been detrimental to town on d1. Guess what, assholes? I was the only one (besides Ace) who was right about DP!
Get it through your heads that you're all playing like absolute noobs and that the reason I get pissed is because you're all too busy eating your own shit to realize that the scum are coasting along, not giving a fuck because the town is too incompetent to catch them.
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Please tell me what you would do when you ask someone for their explanation for why someone is scum and you get told to "fuck off". Part of the reason I called marv scum was precisely that line.
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On December 04 2012 13:10 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Please tell me what you would do when you ask someone for their explanation for why someone is scum and you get told to "fuck off". Part of the reason I called marv scum was precisely that line.
I don't care about calling him scum. Heck, BH more or less told me to fuck off around the same time period, concerning the language he'd used about DYH being a vigi. I responded by questioning him, trying to get some answers. But I didn't get into a giant pissing contest with him. I don't think I insulted him at all. Some of that is just differences in how we play the game, but are you really going to try and convince me that you and marv's little spat, that lasted ... a couple pages? and drew host comments, was just what you'd do when told to fuck off?
So since we were both in on it, guess we were both scum?!
Wow, amazing logic.
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Like really, think about what you are saying and realize exactly why this shit is making me rage. It's just straight up stupid. It doesn't indicate alignment in the least and you jubjubs keep running around like "oh he's scum cause he got in a fight with marv! Oh he's scum cause he didn't get in a fight with me! Oh he's scum cause X! Oh he's scum cause not X!"
It's no wonder that Ace replaced out, it's like you get dumber just by being in this game.
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On December 04 2012 13:14 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 04 2012 13:10 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Please tell me what you would do when you ask someone for their explanation for why someone is scum and you get told to "fuck off". Part of the reason I called marv scum was precisely that line.
I don't care about calling him scum. Heck, BH more or less told me to fuck off around the same time period, concerning the language he'd used about DYH being a vigi. I responded by questioning him, trying to get some answers. But I didn't get into a giant pissing contest with him. I don't think I insulted him at all. Some of that is just differences in how we play the game, but are you really going to try and convince me that you and marv's little spat, that lasted ... a couple pages? and drew host comments, was just what you'd do when told to fuck off? So since we were both in on it, guess we were both scum?! Wow, amazing logic. To be fair...host says you're scum. Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:53 JingleHell wrote:
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This game is a completely closed setup. Trust noone. They're all lying scum. Host says marv is scum too...so yeah. Completely logical. I'm actually headed to bed, will maybe pick this back up in the morning. Also gonna note that I don't put too much faith in "both people doing same thing, marv town, therefore WBG certainly town." Again, I have a hard time believing you didn't know what you were doing, that you weren't purposefully provoking that.
LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE TRYING TO LINK SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EVER ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE TO....MY ALIGNMENT.
How obvious do I have to make this before you realize your logic is just bad?
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and as to the argument : "I assumed WBG knew what he was doing"
Well clearly, I had the right idea that DP was town. So what happens when you find yourself in a position where a player you consider to be good as town (i.e. marvellosity) starts using terrible reasoning to call one of your strongest townreads scum? You call them out on it!
The bias here is that you've already seen marv flip town. So now you have this tendency to view anyone who attacked him negatively. The simple fact is that he was dead wrong about DP and I called him out on that. When I called him out on that he lashed back in a way that I 100% thought was not townie. I would make the call to say marv is scum again and again in the same circumstances, because in my mind any townie who is on marvellosity's calibre should understand basic meta analysis and why DP was most certainly not scum.
So when we came to opposite conclusions and he was needlessly aggressive, I lashed back too! That's just how I am, given that I don't like letting scum get away with that kind of stuff.
Granted what was the worst was that I abandoned my early townread of marv to do it. If I had just assumed marv was playing worse than I thought he would be as town (not something I necessarily like doing, but in every game I join I find I have to use that option more and more) then I would have consistently been able to call him town the entire time.
So maybe I just overvalued his ability to read DP.
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I'm not confronting the case because there isn't one.
There isn't anything to refute beyond what I've already done. It's ludicrous that anyone expects me to continue to debate people who are so biased they cannot see why they are wrong.
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BH I don't understand how you can defend your play. That was some of the worst town play I've ever seen on TL. Even I've done some stupid shit but nothing quite as stupid as forgetting who my own fucking mason partner is.
The fact that you take credit for ShiaoPi is even funnier. I was pushing him since day 1 and the only thing keeping me from pouncing on that like a rabid wolf was the rest of town being too stupid to realize I wasn't scum.
This setup was far too town favored. Given how bad the play was (plus the modkill) the game should ordinarily have been a mafia win @ day 3.
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AND you accuse us of not playing like townies LOL.
My point from day 1 still stands (about scum claiming blue). At the time I had an inkling that the setup had several blues to confuse town with claims. If scum used their brains here and claimed something on d1 or d2, the town would have never lynched them.
It's hard to see this when you're not even capable of remembering the name of your own mason partner.
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On December 09 2012 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Man WBG it was my first time being a mason, okay? Sheesh. And like, part of the reason everyone wanted to lynch you is that you were a huge turd to everyone this game. All I'm gonna say is I didn't get mislynched, you did.
But like seriously you really treated everyone this game like crap (or at least several people this way) and I didn't like that. If it's a good strat though it's a good strat and I can't really hate on it. Just saying it wasn't pleasant.
EDIT: also I only forgot for like a moment, then I immediately retracted the case! I didn't even push him or anything. He was in no danger of getting lynched.
You wonder why I called everyone stupid when the play was so downright idiotic?
Come on, you forgot who your fucking mason partner was long enough to make a meta case on him. The meta case was shit anyway!
This is the fucking redFF defense, "you got lynched therefore you're bad." DP got lynched and he didn't do anything outside his town meta. ShiaoPi didn't get lynched d1 and LM didn't get lynched d1 despite me pushing them both and them both being probably the most obvious scum ever.
Trust me, my day 1 reads are bad. When I catch someone on d1 that generally means scum are doing nothing at all.
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Also the only reason people didn't lynch you is that they legitimately thought you were dumb enough to forget something like that. The sad part is that they were right!
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Actually, when I play more calmly I get lynched for playing outside my meta.
Trust me, I've tried. There's no good way out when people play to this level of bad.
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On December 09 2012 08:24 syllogism wrote:
People should direct their ire towards the real villains of the forum, the people who join games and don't play or don't care about the game. Blazinghand consistently contributes and cares.
I agree with this, though I doubt this will change anytime soon. It seems to be getting worse, actually. The only scum strategy I've seen recently is to afk.
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