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On December 03 2012 01:47 ShiaoPi wrote: Sooo, this means you DO have a scum read on Xata still? You are being somewhat unclear regarding that...Okay, Let me see... We got 2roleclaims and had 2 lastminuteswitches which resulted in killing off DP.... First things first DYH claim your shot right before deadline, anything else would be folly. On another note we have to WIFOM around marv now, whether he gets shot/rbed or whateverelse. I am of two minds pn hos claim but yeah we can only wait and see for that. I wanted to do some more stuff in this night but unfortunately time is short and so I will have to keep it simple. Tomorrow I'll be back at my computer with some time on my hands so I can elaborate further (strongly doubt that I will get shot) On my watchlist right now: -Marv depending on night actions -DYH see above These two are the obvious ones, then I still want to keep tabs on BH and Xata (whom I have kind of forgot earlier in d1) BH led a mislynch, while that happens to anyone of us, i still dislike the way je insisted on SP being scum, when he was willing to swap earlier tarfets, stubbornness in a read aint necessaeily scum, but still. In regards to xata there has been a lot about him alreasy by others I am not going to rehash that. But his last post was pure fluff so it kind of adds up. Moving on I would like to see more from sandroba, dandel has done jackshit before replacing out, so there is a lot of stuff that sandroba should be able to comment to. These are the ppl I am most interesred in right now. More will come tmr, sry its late. | ||
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I still don't think BH is scum, although I'm starting to reconsider a bit after Keirathis post about his meta. People are saying that him playing retarded and that he is scum for it. It makes no sense. Playing retarded (which I to some degree agree with, at least he is not living up to his reputation as a vet IMO) is not good for town, however nor is it good for scum. The only I can hold against him is, like I said, the meta case. But I don't want to lynch him purely based on this. Marv is most likely town. The case on him wasn't a case even a case. I think Marv's emotional response to the accusations against him is perfectly resonable. Zealos is looking quite bad atm. He didn't really say anything usefull during the day untill he voted Xata right as the votes against him were falling in. This is scummy as shit. He then proceed to afk when no further votes are comming in on Xata. If he actually is town, which I somewhat doubt at this point, and gets vigi shot we wouldn't get any reliable info other than that he thinks Xata. VE, I hadn't looked too much into the guy prior to this. Things that stick out is that he seems to always be pushing for the persons looking weakest, much like he is attempting to bandwagon. I don't really like this. Still I think his logic has been decent when pushing these cases. Overall null leanng sliiight scum. DI/Sandroba I cannot comment on really. There isn't anything to comment on in fact. Debears seems town WBG seems town MrZentor seems Lol Ace is gone : / ShiaoPi went very inactive after I started to attack him. My suspicion against him still stands. Austin I am not sure with. I really had a quite strong town read on him at the start of the day. I felt he asked a relevant questions and forced players to take stances. However, after rereading him a bit, I'm not as sure as I was before. Things I don't like is how he doesn't take so many stances unless he is called out for it, which I feel is alarming. He is withholding his vote quite long which I generally think is bad for town. Still think he is town, although not AS sure as I was before. DYH vigi claim seems legit, tho we will see what happends in the night post I guess. Top scummers for now are Zealos and ShaioPi. | ||
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Link to ShiaoPi's filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383489&user=224589 My main problem with Shaio is the fact that he always seems to be attacking the weakest person at any given time, always jumping off the wagon once that person is looking less likely to get misslynched. And his reasons for doing so has been awkward to say the least. I get the impression that he is trying to get people misslynched so badly that he forgets why that person is actually under so much pressure. First off we have Xata. He posts this post saying he is asking for the reason why Xata is asking for town reads EVEN if he already have. I can buy that he disagrees with his reasons, in fact several people did that. But pushing him for that and claiming that ''I know you to be a better player than just mindlessly share stuff like that as your contribution.'' is a strange way of doing so. He cannot obviously expect him to explain his play any further, espicially if he were to be scum. Another interesting thing is the fact that he doesn't even mention(except for once when he notes that xata is gone, however xata were present at several other occasions between the time of this post and the lynch) Xata anymore untill D2. On November 30 2012 22:30 ShiaoPi wrote: Xata marv already said why it is illadvised to share townreads without a good reason. So what is your reason? None of the mentioned townreads of your are in danger of getting lynched (deadline isnt that soon anyway). Nor have you cut down the number of players to figure out scum. So why do it? Really see no reason to do that. I know you to be a better player than just mindlessly share stuff like that as your contribution. Next up is BH. His reasons for voting Bh are quite peculiar as well... His main concern is that BH seems way too sure of that DP is scum based on his meta read. He does not comment on the fact that BH vote swaps like 5 times in just a few hours, he does not comment on that the cases are forced or bad, etc. On December 02 2012 01:40 ShiaoPi wrote: I just dont see how BH can be that decisive with that metaread he produced. DP aint that easy to read, I only got him in LVI via elimination and reaction. Especially if you consider BHs read on me in Liquid city which was extremely convincing in comparison to this one. On to my opinInon on Dp, he is a nullread. Cannot make too much out of him yet. I suck at d1 anyway. Lastly he votes Keir without any real reason beyond that he thinks his case against BH is bad, basically voting him purely based on OMGUS rather then evidence. On December 04 2012 00:24 ShiaoPi wrote: SNIP Now on to the good stuff: Keirathi Obviously my changed read on BH is important for a red kei. but let's start from looking at ace: -He has been dickish, trolly and unhelpful, not exactly a scumtell but it adds to the entire picture. -What makes me wonder is especially the parts in his filter with "shiao/debears/DYH"-interaction and "shiao/VE/DP"-interaction. I do not remember having thoroughly interacted much with DYH, there were some questions from debears which I answered, also I did not interact with VE/DP in a remarkable kind of way. So I have no clue where he got this from, conclusions he does not read the thread thoroughly and makes shit up as he goes to appear contributing. Moving on to Kei now, While I initially agreed with a lot of his points against BH, I was also in the game from the beginning. Now with a clear reread I do not read BH as scummy anymore, from someone who replaces in I would expect him to have a clear mindset as well and I believe Keirathi to be a good enough player to be able to come to the same conclusion as I did. The entire amount of tunneling onto BH as an "easy" target seems to me like an attempt to just derail the entire thread into bascially the same discussion we had at the end of d1. Also the complete disregard for anything else, why? Cuz scum! ##vote: Keirathi SNIP Every time he have voted someone, his reason has been quite silly. I feel this is very likely a scum mentality. Instead of looking for suspicious behavior and voting that person, he is looking for a good person to vote and then tries to justify the vote with ''suspicion''. ##Vote ShiaoPi | ||
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Also, when Keir brings this up, WBG responds with On December 04 2012 01:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Yet earlier he had saidmaybe bad scum do, cause that's fucking stupid. On December 02 2012 08:18 wherebugsgo wrote: While I understand these are not the same thing, same logic applies. Just because something isn't the optimal way for scum to play, does not mean they cannot play that way. So, why does this apply to not VEs filter but only against DYH?you don't lynch claimed blues on d1 out of policy because you're bad. Imagine every scum claimed some sort of blue d1, you're guaranteed to kill a townie day 1. This type of logic is just absurd. | ||
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On December 04 2012 09:23 ShiaoPi wrote: I have read several times what you wrote about Xata, unless I'm missing something in which case you should feel free to show that. I still think it's scum indicative. I don't have to convince on the fact that I think you are you are scum tho so I will leave it at that. Snip @Lazer: you fucking suck, I don't even want to start where your "case" is bad. You still have not read what I wrote regarding Xatalos (or you are just too thick to read properly), Regarding BH, I tried to get more out of him during the time I was online, look here: Well sucks to be in me in my timezone, but there is only so much you can do if nobody is around for the time you are. If you think my reasons to vote Keirathi are OMGUS you really need to properly reread what the term omgus means...... Now what about you share some of your reads in thread? Do you got any other reads besides me? What is your opinion on Keirathi or Bugs? Snip Still think your reasons for pushing BH are weak. Okay please tell me why you are going after Keir then. Because when I read your post where you voted Keir, your reasons were IMO some WFIOM that wasn't alignment indicative followed up with you saying his reasons to vote BH was weak. Keir I haven't looked too much into. But based on the fact that no scum with their right in mind would ever push BH at this point I'm leaning town on him. Regarding WBG, I really liked the case of debeas. And I quite dislike WBG response to everyone, which was basically everyone who agree with this are retards. I don't have anything to add to the case on him but he is a strong scum read atm and I'm 100% willing to vote him atm. | ||
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What's up with Zealos? Is he getting modkilled/replaced? | ||
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I don't really care too much about Ace and what he did. You say his is dick, which I agree with but first off that isn't alignment indicative and secondly judging from other peoples response to it, it seems to be his meta. After reading through Keirs filter now, I can agree with you that he wasn't too helpfull for starters but once again, I don't think scum Keir would tunnel BH. As you also mention he have improved his posting and I thus I am treating him as slight town. While I don't agree with your reasoning still, I have made my points clear. It's up you to prove that you actually are town. @WBG I don't know what to say anymore...You are calling everyone retards instead of actually adressing the case. And yes, there is a case. | ||
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On December 04 2012 21:54 ShiaoPi wrote: I don't agree with Ace being entirely unhelpfull. While I understand they have the alignment, I think holding stuff against Keir that Ace did isn't very wise because he obviously isn't Ace. Lazer, ace was entirely unhelpful during d1, and you should care about it since Keirathi and Ace have the same alignment.... | ||
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On December 05 2012 07:00 Blazinghand wrote: Are you srs?nice try leirathi 1!!!" mrz and I are mason asshole | ||
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