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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
November 29 2012 23:40 GMT
#204
kk
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
November 29 2012 23:48 GMT
#206
Man I'm captain mchelpful here I don't know what makes you think I'm trolling
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
November 29 2012 23:59 GMT
#214
##vote Xatalos

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
November 30 2012 01:30 GMT
#258
Also dunno if it was before or after rockband but GSL III http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
November 30 2012 01:30 GMT
#259
I don't remember much about GSL III except that the host of the game was unusually sexy
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
November 30 2012 02:06 GMT
#277
that would be highly unsportsmanlike of you DP
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
November 30 2012 02:08 GMT
#279
im disappointing you'd do that kind of thing. I thought more of you as a player, and as a person </3
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
November 30 2012 02:09 GMT
#281
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:06 GMT
#438
WBG and Gentlemen, we have our first obvious scum in the thread. That fellow is MrZ. I'm about to show you how not only is he scum from the perspective of a reasonable townie, but how he is in fact not playing as he always does as town.

Here's my analysis of MrZ's town play:
In DMM after his admittedly initial troll post (link) he's questioning aggressive (even towards Palmar (link)) and does NOT back down due to Palmar's responses (link). He doesn't waste posts on fluff or really anything except pushing his Palmar read. Town MrZ also has strong opinions about how to read trolling-- he thinks it's not null, but can in fact be scum motivated (link) which is in contradiction to his attitude this game (link).

In EMM he begins again without making a case, focusing on the VE claim that game (link), but within 24 hours has voted for ghost (link) and is bull-headed about his read, trying to pull other people onto his wagon (link), and interacting with his town-reads in an attempt to find a better wagon (link)

What do we know about MrZ?
Well, he's utterly unafraid of calling out players for being scummy, or for trolling. His only use for other people is to bully them to get onto his wagons, unless he develops a strong townread on one. He's aggressive, but focused, and although he's not super convincing he has conviction and as soon as he really shows up in the thread (beyond an opening post) he comes out with strong reads and a case. He will call people out, defend strong town reads (occasionally) and he really only listens to others when he has a strong town read on them. MrZ is not a player who trolls, takes the game lightly, or really does anything other than push his scum reads. He looks down on trolling and says it can be scummy.

MrZ is scum
This is nothing like the MrZ we've seen this game, who has in fact been in the thread for at least an hour and a half (over a day ago) and has failed to produce typical MrZ results. Now, I know MrZ likes to fool around a bit before his initial case, but he rarely bases his initial case on more than a couple posts from his target. He doesn't afraid of anyone, not even Vets. So where has he been this game? Why is MrZ acting so unlike himself?

It'd be one thing if MrZ wasn't in the thread-- he's notable for being absent from the thread for decent amounts of time. But when MrZ does show up, he makes cases, and he backs the shit up out of them. He defends his cases, even when they're brief-- and his cases always EXIST. Even in EMM, his pre-case posts are focused on the town discussion and are attempting to give a read.

His posts in this game show none of his aggressive stands against trolling, and the amount of time he spent in this thread would be spent by a town MrZ to make a case, or at least contribute to the discussion, even in its infancy.

Contrast his stance on trolling in DMM:
On September 01 2012 08:27 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:20 HiroPro wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:18 Risen wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:15 HiroPro wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:14 strongandbig wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote:
##vote mementoss


##vote palmar

Like, the number of times people have told me that "being lazy" is palmar's scum meta...

I can't really accept missing the whole first day and then jumping back in with the most random freaking unreasoned explicit sheep vote I've ever seen.

I'm not really concerned at the moment with "viable candidates". I don't think any of the main cases are stronger than my gut reaction to what palmar just did.

If this is "a trap" palmar, then consider yourself successful, you caught me. By playing as scummy as possible, you trapped me and convinced me that you are scum. Huzzah.

Now, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow if I live.


town Palmar.....

LIV


Hiro read what I just posted. Scum Palmar would want you to think just that. Then again, maybe it's town Palmar being town Palmar. Who knows?

He's doing it because he can, because in the past he's been able to get away with bad play like this. People like you enable him to have free reign in games, regardless of alignment.


I am not lynching the best scumhunter in this game because he likes to troll d1. We lynch him later if he doesn't find scum, not because we don't like the way he plays.


No.

If somebody acts like mafia, they get lynched.

I'm not going to delay the lynching of a mafia, just because you're afraid of lynching a veteran.


To his stance here:

On November 30 2012 08:54 MrZentor wrote:
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On November 30 2012 08:47 Xatalos wrote:
The beginning of this game is quite... different... from newbie games Trolling seems to be the norm. Somehow I just don't like making yourself artificially harder to read. It's kind of like a selfish metagame plan to confuse other players - not to help your team. What's the point in establishing yourself as a null read? Except denying meaningful information from scumhunting?


People assume that if you're too uptight, you're mafia, so the first few pages are always just spam created by people trying to out-relax each other.

So have some fun!!


Something is different-- and that something is MrZ. He rolled scum this game.

It's not in the lurking, for MrZ is if nothing else is a lurker. It is in how he has spent his time in-thread. This is unlike any MrZ I've ever known.

##unvote
##vote MrZentor


come at me bro
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:08 GMT
#440
I'm gonna admit I'd feel even better about this case if MrZ had returned since his initial posting yesterday and still been worthless, but the fact that he spent a fair amount of time in thread acting in a way he literally never does as town is enough for me, and it should be enough for you. "oh but blazinghand are you hedging" no shut up noob what I'm saying is that you can't levy the "MrZ hasn't been in thread since yesterday" critique against the case like I haven't considered it. I have: but it's not enough of a mitigating factor. MrZ is scum.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:08 GMT
#441
Sure, but make sure you comment on MrZ as well.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:09 GMT
#442
Oh right Xatalos. I'll sit down with his filter then.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:10 GMT
#445
Actually I take back the entire case on MrZ, I TAKE IT ALL BACK.

DONT PAY ATTENTION TO IT ITS BAD

##unvote
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:10 GMT
#446
wow I'm so retarded please ignore MrZ case
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:16 GMT
#449
On December 01 2012 10:14 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote:
wow I'm so retarded please ignore MrZ case


you need to explain.


do I have to? It's pretty embarassing. I'd rather just work on a xatalos case plz
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:20 GMT
#454
On December 01 2012 10:17 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 10:16 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 01 2012 10:14 marvellosity wrote:
On December 01 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote:
wow I'm so retarded please ignore MrZ case


you need to explain.


do I have to? It's pretty embarassing. I'd rather just work on a xatalos case plz


yes, yes you do.


The steamiship liquidia game that I was thinking of for his scum meta http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=137099

was actually a game he rolled town.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:21 GMT
#456
Parts of the case still hold up-- he's not acting like he did in those two town games-- but I can't really say he's never been worthless and thrown his vote around with little reason before. The case is shit.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:21 GMT
#457
I'm gonna look at xatalos first
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:40 GMT
#462
WBG VE and Marv let me make a suggestion, please change your icon's race, cause right now you're all archons

WBG can stay as protoss since i'm his smurf
Marv please change to terran
VE change to zerg

it's hard to read otherwise
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 01 2012 01:46 GMT
#466
Uh yeah I dunno why everyone's all up in WBG's ass. this game he's asked bad questions (link) posted a short semi-useless post (link) and calls out lazermonkey with a relatively short vote-case (link). This is pretty much the same as, say, TL Mafia LI where he opened up with "fuck you ET" and a vote (link) and felt free to just lob in 1-liner questions (link) (link) as a form of contribution D1.

WBG could still well be scum, but I don't see it.
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