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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
December 08 2012 21:40 GMT
#2012
Also thanks for a great game! I think a change to this setup that would have been interesting is that one of the 4 masons is scum and the mason role PMs say "you don't know the alignment of your partner" which might balance out the claim situation a bit. Maybe also add a gf or a miller since DT is strong.
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Blazinghand *
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December 08 2012 21:47 GMT
#2014
Well it happens to me sometimes. I made a mistake! I'm not usually a mason. I am bad at mason play for the same reason I'm bad at scum play: I'm a lone wolf. A wolf-pack one one. Rawr.
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Blazinghand *
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December 08 2012 21:50 GMT
#2016
Oh snap, crazy town. That's pretty solid. The only reason I thought of the whole "unconfirmed mason pairs, one mason is a scum" thing is it's just the kind of thing to make you.... paranoid
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Blazinghand *
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December 08 2012 22:20 GMT
#2019
the sexiest
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Blazinghand *
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Last Edited: 2012-12-08 22:54:39
December 08 2012 22:52 GMT
#2022
Man WBG it was my first time being a mason, okay? Sheesh. And like, part of the reason everyone wanted to lynch you is that you were a huge turd to everyone this game. All I'm gonna say is I didn't get mislynched, you did.

But like seriously you really treated everyone this game like crap (or at least several people this way) and I didn't like that. If it's a good strat though it's a good strat and I can't really hate on it. Just saying it wasn't pleasant.

EDIT: also I only forgot for like a moment, then I immediately retracted the case! I didn't even push him or anything. He was in no danger of getting lynched.
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Blazinghand *
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United States25562 Posts
December 08 2012 23:00 GMT
#2024
It's true, I made a mistake and forgot who my Mason partner was. I'll endeavor to not make that same error in the future. Thank you for the constructive criticism.
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Blazinghand *
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December 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#2026
In any case I hope you take my advice on how to treat others in a mafia game into consideration. You are a more experienced player than me so obviously you will make your own way but hopefully there's something you can learn here as well.
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Blazinghand *
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United States25562 Posts
December 08 2012 23:22 GMT
#2028
well I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way, WBG. I don't know why everyone was so mad this game, or in the post game, but hopefully we can work through it.
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Blazinghand *
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United States25562 Posts
December 09 2012 06:13 GMT
#2039
Man if you liked and/or hated Paranoia mafia you know what you'd like? Witchcraft mafia! come sign up http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816
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Blazinghand *
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Last Edited: 2012-12-10 03:57:53
December 10 2012 03:55 GMT
#2041
Dude, I forgot for like a split second and I retracted it like seconds later. I didn't play against my wincon. I admit it was a mistake I made, and I am aware it made this game more difficult for me. This was my first time being a mason and I forgot.

I admitted this mistake and will make sure to in my notes write in all caps (as I did after making that mistake) who my mason partner is.

EDIT: actually, it was up for a good 4 minutes before I realized I had made a mistake. Would you really modkill me in those 4 minutes? Or would you do it after I retracted it and made up a good (and very convincing!) argument as to why my own case was bad, taking all the pressure off of MrZ? Or would you do it after MrZ and I defended each other N1 and D2 and never got lynched?
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Blazinghand *
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Last Edited: 2012-12-10 04:00:01
December 10 2012 03:58 GMT
#2042
Like, obviously I didn't play well and obviously attacking your own Mason partner, even for a brief period of time, is a rookie mistake. I shouldn't have made that mistake and I'll make sure not to make it in the future. I guess I wonder what it is you're trying to explain to me here Prom

EDIT:
On December 09 2012 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:
It's true, I made a mistake and forgot who my Mason partner was. I'll endeavor to not make that same error in the future. Thank you for the constructive criticism.

On December 10 2012 12:52 Promethelax wrote:
if you don't admit to your mistakes you won't be able to improve.


timestamps for relevance
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Blazinghand *
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Last Edited: 2012-12-10 04:07:42
December 10 2012 04:05 GMT
#2044
On December 10 2012 13:04 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 12:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Like, obviously I didn't play well and obviously attacking your own Mason partner, even for a brief period of time, is a rookie mistake. I shouldn't have made that mistake and I'll make sure not to make it in the future. I guess I wonder what it is you're trying to explain to me here Prom

EDIT:
On December 09 2012 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:
It's true, I made a mistake and forgot who my Mason partner was. I'll endeavor to not make that same error in the future. Thank you for the constructive criticism.

On December 10 2012 12:52 Promethelax wrote:
if you don't admit to your mistakes you won't be able to improve.


timestamps for relevance


Your play was bad. Solidly. Throughout this whole game. The attack on your mason partner is the most obvious. But you also talked about how you had been the one to make the case on Shiao, you are taking credit for good plays which weren't yours. You fumbled this game throughout and between this and Mario I think you need to rethink how you play blue.


Fair enough, I made mistakes. And in the post game perhaps I was too strident in the defense of my play, when in fact most of the town had a scumread on shiao before I did. Anything else helpful specifically besides "your play was bad?"
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Blazinghand *
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Last Edited: 2012-12-10 06:38:44
December 10 2012 06:35 GMT
#2046
Whatever minor play issues I had this game, I certainly had fun and will take it as a learning experience-- perhaps I can become an even better player.
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Blazinghand *
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United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 16:03:34
December 10 2012 16:02 GMT
#2050
Austinmcc I agree that some of the rage is a bit misdirected, but the case against MrZ did have the effect of weakening my Mason claim a bit, even if perhaps it shouldn't have. As I was re-examining my notes after posting the case initially I remembered he was my mason partner and realized I couldn't push him since we might have to claim at some point and also he might actually get lynched. It certainly wasn't playing against wincon, especially given how it was retracted, but it meant there was a bit of hesitance about believing the mason claim. I imagine if the claim order were reversed (MrZ and me claimed and Kei/WBG counterclaimed) MrZ would have been lynched instead of WBG. That being said, MrZ and I did a good job of defending each other throughout this game and the case was retracted immediately so it wasn't a huge issue.

E: but yeah basically what marv said. there's plenty of people to write questionable meta cases against D1, it's unnecessarily confusing to do it against your mason partner, so barring weird circumstances as a mason you should try to avoid attacking your partner.
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Blazinghand *
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Last Edited: 2012-12-10 16:15:47
December 10 2012 16:15 GMT
#2056
On December 11 2012 01:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 01:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
I think it can be interpreted as playing against your wincon because you've been explicitly told that he was town. So it would be an attemt to get a townie lynched.


Eh, no big deal imo. You didn't exactly play well, but I sure as hell wouldn't even threaten a modkill on that.
Y'all need to lighten up and just laugh it off.

By that logic, scum shouldn't be allowed to vote for a teammate. Your Win-Con is to win the game, it doesn't matter what method you use to do so as long as they fall within the rules of the game. Obviously don't cheat, but if you willingly give away confirmed town resources in an effort to catch scum, you're still playing to your win-con. You're just going about it in what is quits possibly the worst possible method.

I remember in EMM WBG was chill with me claiming SK, as the SK, because I thought it would let me win the game (and town lynched me anyways! the bastards! At least they lost afterwards). In retrospect not a great move I guess BUT ALSO IN RETROSPECT it was worth a shot and might have worked.

Yeah my scum play is pretty good
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
December 10 2012 16:18 GMT
#2058
SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Blazinghand *
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United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 16:21:06
December 10 2012 16:20 GMT
#2062
Oh uh town was like 100% sure I was a goon due to some shenannies D1 and D2, so I was basically set to be lynched D3. But town was pretty close to LYLO and I figured that if I shot for scum town's win percentage would go up. After some time spent trying to make a case that I wasn't a goon I was like "yo i'm actually the SK" and they're like "uh... ok." and lynched me
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Blazinghand *
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United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 19:15:47
December 10 2012 19:15 GMT
#2064
Well I didn't get modkilled at least

also I think that was still probably my best play at that point
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
December 10 2012 19:21 GMT
#2066
That wasn't suicide, it was my best chance of not getting lynched by far when I did it.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
December 10 2012 19:33 GMT
#2068
On December 11 2012 04:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
Claiming SK on d2 is not suicide?

Man, I have no idea what passes through your head when you think of these things.



It was D3 and given what had happened in the game and how the day had developed it was my only hope for not getting lynched. You think i had another option?
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