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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#1567
On December 05 2012 07:44 Keirathi wrote:
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On December 05 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
We're not doing this by PM highlighting. Kei and WBG scum together. Lynch scum.

Oh of course we're not, since yours is the one that's different from both the confirmed flips. Convenient!


Also there's the fact that MrZ and I have been helping town all game and you and WBG, my two top scumreads, have been working against town and are scummy as hell.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 22:46 GMT
#1570
Also, and this might sound a bit WIFOMey but really it's not: counter-claiming as masons against claimed masons makes NO sense for scum, except I guess at LYLO which we are not at. Kei WBG scumteam.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 22:46 GMT
#1571
On December 05 2012 07:45 Keirathi wrote:
##Unvote: ShiaoPi
##Vote: BlazingHand


Wrong PM highlighting, terrible day 1 that doesn't match his town meta AT ALL, and HE MADE A FUCKING CASE AGAINST HIS OWN MASON PARTNER? Don't be dumb. If you want to lynch into the masons to test who is scum or not, lynch into the claim that doesn't make any fucking sense.


lol die scum
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 22:48 GMT
#1574
Keirathi claimed mason with WBG and they're the two scummiest players in the game. There's no way we're the scum pair, they are almost certainly the scum pair, austin.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 22:48 GMT
#1577
Also, it's utterly implausible that MrZ and I, as scum, not at lylo, would counter-claim claimed masons. Kei WBG ARE SCUM.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 22:50 GMT
#1578
i do make the minorest, minorest allowance for some bastard modding with masons who do not share the same alignment, but really after WBG flips scum we're lynching Kei.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 22:58 GMT
#1592
On December 05 2012 07:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
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On December 05 2012 07:56 Keirathi wrote:
On December 05 2012 07:54 MrZentor wrote:
says the person who thinks BH is scum

LOL

I gave damn good reasons for why BH is scum. He never even fucking refuted them, he just started yelling "BUT I SAVED DYH SO I MUST BE TOWN, GOD YOU'RE DUMB KEIR".
Not only that but his mason partner also counter claimed in a position where there would make 0% for scum to do so.


I like how everything I do this game makes 0% sense for scum to do and Keirathi still thinks i'm scum. nice.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 23:04 GMT
#1605
._.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 23:06 GMT
#1608
Well the only reasonable explanation then must be that we had 4 masons.

scum lives among: Debears, Shiao, Austin, Lazer, Xata, Sand

Keirathi you can claim I didn't refute your meta case all you want but I refuted the shit out of it.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 23:08 GMT
#1613
Ace get out of this thread

Keirathi man up, we got a game to win. Being a negative nancy and flaming is not how we're going to do it.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 23:11 GMT
#1616
I'd pretty much consider DYH confirmed based on the timing of his claim, when he couldn't reasonably expect for a voteswitch to save him. But yeah there are 6 unconfirmed players left and all the blues have shot their proverbial wads.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 04 2012 23:13 GMT
#1617
On December 05 2012 08:08 Keirathi wrote:
@BH:

Where?

Quote me the post.


I refuted the hell out of it by doing stuff that never makes sense unless I'm town. Saving DYH, the mason claim, etc. Your "meta" case, which doesn't reference any of my scum games, is crap, just like the "meta" case against me in Mario Mini based on the same thought: "BH is playing differently than usual, but not like ANY of his scum games. He must be scum!" When in fact that's not a meta case, that's lazy/bad play. I thought you were scum but with your mason partner flipped you are confirmed town. I'm disconcerted at how you have chosen to play, but we must push forwards now and find scum. With 3 (4 with DYH) confirmed town and 6 unconfirmed players we are in a strong position.

You can make yourself irrelevant with wrong-headed attacks on me, or you can help us win this game. The choice is yours.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 05 2012 22:45 GMT
#1667
Alright, I'm not gonna be around at deadline so here are my reads and stuff, especially since scum's probably shooting into confirmed players.

First off, Kei is town. He's been not as helpful as he's capable of, and is insistent on tunnelling me, and he's scummy as hell and refuses to meaningfully contribute to scumhunting unless strongarmed into it, but he's the other half of a confirmed mason pair for which one flipped. He's town. This isn't a bastard mod game so there's no reason to doubt his claim.

To me MrZ is town. I've laid out why the two of us are town and if you have a town read on me (which you should, given that everything I've done all game is help town in a way that makes 0 sense for scum) then you should have a town read on him. He is my Mason partner, and my mod PM tells me so.

DYH is town. Some people may have doubts, but the Vigi claim with like 20 seconds left before he gets lynched, which occures at 08:00 when he knew he was gonna flip, tells me he's really the vigi. Yes, he's playing like a lazy ass since D1, and yes, he was scummy D1, but he's confirmed town and beyond reproach. I'd like to see him make a case against LM that actually, say, talks about how LM has played but there's nothing I can do to make him do that. In any case: he's town

This leaves us with 4 confirmed players, and 6 unconfirmed players. Scum will gradually shoot into the confirmed players while we lynch into the unconfirmed players, and assuming there are 3 scum, 1 kp, and no weirdness with a Doctor (reasonable given the number of claims so far) we have 1 mislynch before LYLO.


BH confirmed
Ace/Kei confirmed
MrZ confirmed
DYH confirmed

DYH I don't think you're particularly going down a rabit hole. There are 6 players who aren't confirmed and probably 3 scum among them. Assuming we lynch carefully I don't see this being a huge problem. I don't think sandroba or debears are scum, but sandroba hasn't done an amazing job of acquitting himself. debears has been open with his reads and interacting with people attempting to flesh out his reads. He's not afraid to say dumb things, then retract them, which indicates a town-like fearlessness to me. Debears town. Sandro has made some decent posts but I wouldn't give him a strong townread like I give debears, but he's not scummy.

I don't like that Xatalos has been fairly inactive in the past few days, contributing a relatively small number of posts. That being said, his interactions with WBG trying to reason out reads, and his defense of WBG early in D2 sounds reasonable and townie to me. He's clearly watching the thread for scummy moves and updating his analysis-- look how he gradually develops a townread on Kei and affirms his on WBG throughout D2, then when MrZ swaps over to WBG (because I asked him to) Xatalos immediately thinks something is up since this wasn't something MrZ would do on his own.

The fact that Xatalos is being this analytical makes him my top town-read. This guy isn't posting a whirlwind of posts but he's smart, he's reading the thread, and he's trying to figure things out. He catches small things that doesn't make sense and calls them out. He is town.

Xatalos - Town+++
debears - Town ish
Dandel/Sandro - Town ish


Shiaopi is a sheep. I think that much has been made clear over and over again in the thread. I don't think he's an amazing lynch though, because a lot of his sheeping has been basically what you'd expect a newer player to do. I don't like that he keeps on stalling and saying he'll be back later. I don't like that he hasn't been contributing. I don't think he should be our lynch tomorrow though. Not just for playing like a newb. I'd rather lynch him than debears or sandro, but not by much.

LM - DYH clearly doesn't want to write an actual case against LM because he's a lazy ass, despite my prodding. I'll help a brotha out. First off, when LM attacks Zealos early in D1 he clearly isn't paying close attention to Zealos and getting a scumread on him, he's attacking first then trying to find things to substantiate his attack. Take a look at his attack on Zealos in which he asks zealos about soft-defending a guy then quotes him hard defending a guy. His early attacks on shiaopi doens't make sense, and he responds to DP with an OMGUS. I don't like how he's played, or how he hasn't tried to develop his reads in a meaningful way with other players D1. I will say though that since he was a lynch target that could have intefered with it. He is not as scummy as austin.

Austin. I don't like either of his D1 cases. I don't like that he didn't specify a top scumread until asked about it later. His interactions with VE are wooden
On December 01 2012 03:44 austinmcc wrote:
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On December 01 2012 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Reading what I've missed y'all, hopefully there's more than discussing whether or not people are going to sheep Ace. :/

Beyond debears and Ace's marv vote, did anything, or the lack of some things, interest you?



On December 01 2012 11:06 austinmcc wrote:
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On December 01 2012 10:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh, LI is interesting reading if anyone is at all interested in my scum-meta...although to this day I attest that I don't have a meta...austin thinks he's got an activity tell on me but that's neither here nor there.

SCUM WON LI BY THE WAY

Wat? I'm assuming I said this in a past game?
On December 01 2012 11:38 austinmcc wrote:
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On December 01 2012 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah Mad Men I think. Maybe it was someone else....with a chart and everything.

Not me.

I have a super secret method of reading you.
On December 02 2012 05:12 austinmcc wrote:
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On December 02 2012 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, that's where I'm at with Zealos too austin, which puts me at a crossroads because Zealos also voted for Xatalos.

:/

MARV COME HERE I WANT YOU

Why exactly are you voting Xatalos?

He's scum hiding inside a tunnel = he's doing nothing but tunneling someone as a way to look active when he's doing nothing?


None of this even remotely compares to how he interacts with, say, debears, or other players where he asks pointed questions, writes long responses, etc. He's trying to fake a "friendly banter" with VE here. I don't like it, especially in context of what I've written above. It sounds ungenuine and faked.

Shiao - scum ish
LM - scum ish
austin - scum


If I wake up dead, my recommendation is to lynch austin.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 05 2012 22:51 GMT
#1670
heres my dudes too dunno how to add timestamps

peace

+ Show Spoiler +
<Blazinghand> then I'll be like, a few minutes later "because it was LARGE. LARGE."
<Blazinghand> and then you can be like "wow way to brick that shot, blazinghand. I thought you had good jokes"
<Blazinghand> maybe i'll use a different joke than a penis joke
<MrZentor> XD
<MrZentor> Best mason buddy ever
<Blazinghand> in any case, I was thinking about mason tactics
<Blazinghand> it might be easiest if we just never attack each other ever
<MrZentor> I think I might just say something about 4 or 7
<MrZentor> Traditionally medieval stonemasons served a seven-year apprenticeship. A similar system still operates today. A modern apprenticeship lasts four years.
<Blazinghand> ok
<Blazinghand> whatever works for you
<MrZentor> I think that brick might be a little too
<MrZentor> Well
<MrZentor> Obvious
<MrZentor> I might just be being
<MrZentor> PARANOID
<Blazinghand> so I guess you might want to use a different crumb
<Blazinghand> nobody ever finds my crumbs because I post like
<Blazinghand> 40 posts per day
<MrZentor> Yeah..
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<MrZentor> do you believe marv's claim
<Blazinghand> um
<Blazinghand> not really but you can't lynch a claimed blue D1
<MrZentor> there isn't much time
<MrZentor> :/
<MrZentor> Who should we lynch
<Blazinghand> well I still kinda like DP. But what are your thoughts
<Blazinghand> my reads this game haven't been as good as I'd like
<MrZentor> Yeah, I usually can find somebody I'm sure is mafia
<MrZentor> but this game is weird
<MrZentor> I'd like to kill DoYouHas
<Blazinghand> ah what's the case on him
<MrZentor> But I don't think I can convince the whole town in an hour
<Blazinghand> hm
<MrZentor> Welll
<Blazinghand> so I mean i'd be okay with a DYH lynch
<Blazinghand> he's one of my null reads
<MrZentor> His posts are funny
<MrZentor> All mechanical
<MrZentor> and uptight
<MrZentor> read them
<Blazinghand> so my current reads are shiapi town, VE town, Zealos semi town, austinmcc town, DP scum, marv scum
<Blazinghand> everyone else null
<MrZentor> I thought debears was town
<MrZentor> and I think DP is too
<Blazinghand> hm
<Blazinghand> okay so we could go for DYH
<Blazinghand> i mean we don't need to convince tha tmany people
<Blazinghand> almost no-one has more than like 2 votes
<MrZentor> Yeah it's weird
<Blazinghand> have you posted a DYH case? I could be like "yeah I agree" and vote for him
<MrZentor> idk
<MrZentor> meh DP might be scum
<Blazinghand> well like i'm not actually as sure on DP as I claim to be in the thread
<Blazinghand> the meta case isn't great
<Blazinghand> I always put a strong face forwards though because how people react tells us about them
<Blazinghand> I personally think he's a solid lynch
<Blazinghand> but DYH could also be a good lynch
<Blazinghand> I'll read his filter now
<Blazinghand> no matter what, you and I will never be lynched btw
<Blazinghand> because we are masons
<MrZentor> Yeah
<Blazinghand> so don't worry about that
<MrZentor> Unless we go afk
<MrZentor> or something
<Blazinghand> lol
<Blazinghand> yeah
<MrZentor> DP just seems a little too loose and care free to be mafia
<MrZentor> meh
<MrZentor> But how he jumps on you for bizarre behavior
<MrZentor> attacking me
<MrZentor> then saying im not scum
<MrZentor> When that's just bizarre behavior and not scum behavior
<Blazinghand> DP and I do have a bit of a history of butting heads
<Blazinghand> so I didn't notice that in particular
<Blazinghand> but that's a good point
<MrZentor> I'm going to get Marv to post his pm
<Blazinghand> oh he uh
<Blazinghand> can't do that
<MrZentor> look what I posted
<MrZentor> But it says he can
<Blazinghand> ah
<MrZentor> yeah idk
<Blazinghand> so
<Blazinghand> a DYH switch is possible
<MrZentor> yeah I'm gonna go for it
<MrZentor> Also you're whole
<Blazinghand> hm
<MrZentor> Zentor I like where you're goint but I need some more explanation
<MrZentor> thing
<MrZentor> was so faked I nearly burst out laughing
<MrZentor> XD
<Blazinghand> LOL
<Blazinghand> i'm really bad at faking interactions
<Blazinghand> I'm actually like probably one of the worst scum players
<MrZentor> I'm having doubts about DYH after his last post
<MrZentor> :/
<Blazinghand> LOL
<Blazinghand> don't
<Blazinghand> those posts are meaningles
<Blazinghand> scum always makes that post
<Blazinghand> so does town
<MrZentor> I know, but it always scares me.
<Blazinghand> everyone makes that post
<Blazinghand> that post is a null tell
<Blazinghand> if he was scum or town he makes that post
<MrZentor> I always feel sorry for them though
<MrZentor> :/
<Blazinghand> your case against him still stands
<Blazinghand> if he's town he played in a way to get lynched
<Blazinghand> and if he's scum, we shall celebrate in 3 minutes
<Blazinghand> SWAP
<Blazinghand> SWAP NOW TO DP
<MrZentor> NOOOOOOOOO
<MrZentor> too late
<MrZentor> ARGH
<Blazinghand> lol I didn't even have time to boldface
<MrZentor> yeah
<MrZentor> I just copy pasted yours as soon as I could
<MrZentor> It would be hilarious if the mods mod-killed all the people who posted after hopeless's post
<Blazinghand> LOL
<Blazinghand> oh man i'm excited
<MrZentor> lol
<MrZentor> I'm pretty sure we killed DYH
<Blazinghand> no I don't think we did
<Blazinghand> I think by 1 vote
<Blazinghand> we killed DP
<MrZentor> Really?
<MrZentor> lol look at DP
<MrZentor> his post
<Blazinghand> LOL
<MrZentor> XD
<Blazinghand> oh man
<Blazinghand> that anger
<MrZentor> full of rage
<Blazinghand> also like
<MrZentor> I bet he's vanilla town
<MrZentor> lol
<Blazinghand> yeah honestly
<Blazinghand> he's gonna get modkilled for that
<Blazinghand> since he's the one getting lynched
<Blazinghand> and he's posting after the lynch deadline
<MrZentor> yeah he died
<MrZentor> vanilla
<MrZentor> townie
<MrZentor> Assuming the two claims are genuine
<MrZentor> The mafia knows our cop
<MrZentor> and our vigil
<MrZentor> Greatttt
<Blazinghand> so yeah mafia is gonna RB DYH
<Blazinghand> and shoot Marv
<Blazinghand> like 100%
<Blazinghand> there's probably one other blue out there
<Blazinghand> maybe a JK or a town RB
<Blazinghand> hey uh
<Blazinghand> what's your role name
<Blazinghand> btw
<Blazinghand> i'm Yoda
<MrZentor> What
<Blazinghand> debears is talking about like
<Blazinghand> role name / fluff stuff
<MrZentor> Mace windu
<Blazinghand> ok what's the wording of your PM
<Blazinghand> one sec
<MrZentor> idk who that is
<Blazinghand> he's a jedy master
<Blazinghand> like yoda
<MrZentor> You are Mace Windu. A member of the Jedi Council. You know your fellow councilmember, BlazingHand, is town. You may communicate with them outside the thread. (mason)
<Blazinghand> You are Yoda. A member of the Jedi Council. You know your fellow councilmember, MrZentor, is town. You may communicate with them outside the thread. (mason)
<Blazinghand> yeah
<Blazinghand> I dunno what debears is thinking
<Blazinghand> I think the "jedi council" fluff is just for us though
<Blazinghand> so we shouldn't claim our names or fluff because scum might figure out we're blue from it
<Blazinghand> oh wait
<Blazinghand> ok no DP's role
<Blazinghand> was star wars related
<Blazinghand> so he has the same fluff as us
<Blazinghand> ok yeah marv has different fluff
<Blazinghand> but the wording of his pm is the same
<Blazinghand> I don't think we can on fluff grounds say marv is scum
<MrZentor> So we have starwars fluff
<MrZentor> and he has mythbusters fluff
<Blazinghand> yeah there could easily be two types of fluff in this game
<Blazinghand> I asked DYH to post his fluff
<Blazinghand> that could give us more info
<MrZentor> Wait
<MrZentor> DP had battlestart galactica fluff
<Blazinghand> oh
<Blazinghand> lol
<Blazinghand> I am not like
<MrZentor> just googled it lol
<Blazinghand> gotcha
<Blazinghand> so it's all from different shows
<Blazinghand> so the fluff theme is "shows and movies"
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<Blazinghand> in case i'm shot tonight, i'm leaving a crumb for you
<Blazinghand> it'll be based on the word "trust"
<Blazinghand> it'll let you confirm a mason claim if I flip
<MrZentor> k
<MrZentor> if they're planning on shooting you
<MrZentor> we should claim before they do
<Blazinghand> huh
<Blazinghand> no no
<Blazinghand> then SCUM will shoot us
<Blazinghand> if DYH shoot sme so be it
<MrZentor> no
<Blazinghand> we'll still have 2 confirmed townies tomorrow
<MrZentor> I'd rather scum waste a shot
<MrZentor> than our vigi
<Blazinghand> hm
<Blazinghand> so you want to claim?
<Blazinghand> there's an hour left
<Blazinghand> want to do so now?
<Blazinghand> you there?
<MrZentor> OkaWait
<MrZentor> Say something like
<Blazinghand> I'm just gonna post my role PM and say "I'm mason with MRZ"
<Blazinghand> you do the same thign at the same time
<Blazinghand> and we'll be good
<MrZentor> No wait
<MrZentor> You saved DYH
<Blazinghand> yeah
<Blazinghand> I mentioned that
<MrZentor> When you could have easily let him die
<Blazinghand> in thread
<Blazinghand> are you reading the thread?
<MrZentor> Yes
<MrZentor> Say directly to doyouhas
<MrZentor> That there is no reason for scum to do that
<Blazinghand> ok
<MrZentor> except if they were saving their scum buddy
<MrZentor> so basically you're townie in DYH's eyes
<MrZentor> if he is vigil
<Blazinghand> so uh you want me to not claim or to claim?
<MrZentor> yet
<MrZentor> at least
<MrZentor> Dont claim
<Blazinghand> ok
<MrZentor> If that doesn't work we'll claim
<Blazinghand> he might not even be around
<Blazinghand> i'll ask if he's around
<Blazinghand> because if he's not around honestly it doesn't matter
<MrZentor> wait if somebody dies during the night
<MrZentor> their action still goes through right
<Blazinghand> yes
<MrZentor> I can't tell if Keir is being stupid
<MrZentor> or if he's mafia trying to get you killed
<Blazinghand> yeah...
<Blazinghand> hard to tell
<Blazinghand> i'm leaning scummy on him atm but honestly this isn't enough to make a read.
<MrZentor> I always assume that if people are replaced
<MrZentor> they're town
<Blazinghand> well, most hosts replace all people, town OR scum
<Blazinghand> in Mario Mini, Djoref replaced in for thrawn and he was scum
<MrZentor> yeah but I think somebody who is scum
<MrZentor> would want to stay in the game
<MrZentor> than a normal townie
<MrZentor> It might be because I enjoy being scum way more than I should
<Blazinghand> that's not good logic imo
<Blazinghand> people often replace because like shit happens in their lives
<MrZentor> I like how everybody posts after the mod says to not post
<MrZentor> XD
<Blazinghand> everyone was waiting until exactly 0800 forum time to drop their huge posts
<MrZentor> Yeah
<MrZentor> This is the second time though
<MrZentor>
<Blazinghand> lol
<Blazinghand> man these have been some aciton packed deadlines
<MrZentor> yeah
<Blazinghand> okay, so the question I guess is do we want to claim tomorrow
<MrZentor> It reminds me of Death factory mafia
<MrZentor> man
<MrZentor> that was intense
<Blazinghand> I specced that game
<Blazinghand> it was sweet
<MrZentor> Probably
<Blazinghand> I guess the real thing is to see if there's a wagon on me or not
<Blazinghand> like, if not, there's no real reason to claim
<MrZentor> "MrZentor seems Lol"
<MrZentor> What is that supposed to me
<MrZentor> an
<Blazinghand> I have no idea
<Blazinghand> I think you actually look very town for the hard defense of me
<Blazinghand> scum doesn't do hard defenses of anyone, really
<MrZentor> I look more town than I usually do..
<Blazinghand> not in the middle of the night
<MrZentor> I want to see who died
<MrZentor>
<MrZentor> WOOT
<MrZentor> VE THE GOON
<Blazinghand> NICE
<MrZentor> "Mafia Goon. You may carry an NK. You win with scum. Your team consists of yeah right, that would be embarrassing."
<MrZentor> lol
<Blazinghand> lol
<Blazinghand> nice
<Blazinghand> so I don't like keirathi's attack of me a huge amount, but I'm not sure whether that makes him scum or not
<MrZentor> yeahh
<MrZentor> I also don't know how to take his
<MrZentor> nice shot response
<Blazinghand> meh, it's fluff
<Blazinghand> as town you'd say that to congratulate DYH
<Blazinghand> as scum you'd do the same
<MrZentor> So we have 3 confirmed townies
<MrZentor> out of 4 people
<MrZentor> 12
<MrZentor> people
<Blazinghand> right
<Blazinghand> which means in the remaining 9 the 3 scum lurk
<Blazinghand> what's your read on debears?
<MrZentor> Hmm
<MrZentor> that was Ve's first vote
<MrZentor> so idk
<Blazinghand> VE busses all the time
<Blazinghand> I guess we should see how HE interacts with VE
<Blazinghand> rather than vice versa
<MrZentor> But still
<MrZentor> the first vote?
<MrZentor> idk
<Blazinghand> the first vote makes even more sense than a later vote
<Blazinghand> because you usually move away from the first vote
<Blazinghand> at some point
<MrZentor> Let me see
<MrZentor> ##Vote: dabears
<MrZentor> ##Vote: Xatalos
<MrZentor> ##Unvote ##Vote: Zealos
<MrZentor> ##Unvote ##Vote: DarthPunk
<MrZentor> ##Unvote: DarthPunk ##Vote: DoYouHas
<Blazinghand> yeah see given how much he moved his vote around
<MrZentor> Yeah
<MrZentor> Wow
<Blazinghand> the fact that his first vote was for debears
<Blazinghand> doesn't really mean anything imo
<MrZentor> I'm getting really sick of Keirathi
<Blazinghand> he might just be scum pushing scum agenda
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<Blazinghand> yo i'm back
<Blazinghand> catching up with thread now
<MrZentor> idk...
<Blazinghand> yo
<Blazinghand> so what are your reads right now
<Blazinghand> I'm iffy on Shiao and I still think Keirathi is a solid lynch
<Blazinghand> though he looks a bit better now
<MrZentor> Dandelion/Sandroba----- WBG ShiaoPi Austinmcc LazerMonkey
<Blazinghand> as your scumreads?
<MrZentor> The people I don't think are town
<MrZentor> basically
<MrZentor> I'm not as sure about Keirathi as I was
<Blazinghand> I see
<Blazinghand> let's talk about WBG
<MrZentor> What do you think of gim?
<MrZentor> c:
<MrZentor> him
<Blazinghand> I don't like him, but all I have is a general feel that he's scummy
<Blazinghand> I feel like a town WBG is more useful than this WBG
<MrZentor> Yeah I've never been able to read WBG
<MrZentor> I'm hoping he gets shot during the next night phase
<Blazinghand> looking at his filter he seems confrontational and aggressive but not as helpful, not as willing to draw out other players into conversations
<Blazinghand> I'm not sure WBG is actually contributing to the town atmosphere.
<Blazinghand> yo man
<Blazinghand> you there?
<Blazinghand> I'm voting WBG
<Blazinghand> dude
<MrZentor> Hmm
<Blazinghand> check my case
<Blazinghand> let me know what you think
<Blazinghand> i just posted a vote as well
<MrZentor> Hmm
<MrZentor> It was good in that you showed he wasn't promoting a good town environment
<Blazinghand> I see no reason for WBG to do this
<Blazinghand> other than that he's scum
<MrZentor> You should have said something like
<Blazinghand> I can add it in now
<MrZentor> WBG should know better than to do this
<MrZentor> or somehting
<Blazinghand> " I expect more out of WBG. "
<Blazinghand> I have that
<Blazinghand> I also have "Oh yeah and he clearly didn't read my post about ShiaoPi and Keirathi, he just wanted to slap it down and lay on the insults. This isn't how you play mafia, this isn't how you hunt scum."
<Blazinghand> in any case it's not super WBG meta specific
<Blazinghand> it's just pretty clear he's pushing a scum agenda
<MrZentor> Yeah
<MrZentor> I kind of want to vote for him
<Blazinghand> if you want to vote him wait
<Blazinghand> don't do it just yet
<MrZentor> But that might really suspicious..
<Blazinghand> well
<Blazinghand> it's fine if you're the next vote
<Blazinghand> actually, you should write up some addons to my case
<Blazinghand> and post them and vote
<Blazinghand> it's fine if we vote together
<Blazinghand> it'll make our mason claim stronger
<MrZentor> I might write "IM SPONTANEOUS ##Vote:WBG"
<Blazinghand> if we're working together in the thread
<Blazinghand> no don't make your vote seem weak
<Blazinghand> that's what scum does when they work together
<MrZentor> lol
<MrZentor> that's what's fun though
<MrZentor> XD
<MrZentor> It's going to appear pretty weak anyways..
<Blazinghand> you should post the stuff you said above about like "WBG should know better"
<MrZentor> I'll vote in half an hour
<Blazinghand> and say "I agree with blazinghand"
<Blazinghand> and then be like "in fact, WBG has seemed 'off' to me all game! and now I understand why."
<Blazinghand> don't be afraid to vote too close to me time-wise
<Blazinghand> and the reason I say this is that this WBG wagon will be hard
<Blazinghand> people don't like lynching vets
<MrZentor> Everybody's going to hate me for being fickle
<MrZentor> There
<Blazinghand> :D
<Blazinghand> someone else posted
<Blazinghand> I think we've expressed what everyone else was already thinking
<Blazinghand> but was afraid to say
<MrZentor> Being a mason is awesome
<Blazinghand> yeah it's been really great to have you to bounce reads off of
<Blazinghand> and knowing that like we're both unlynchable
<Blazinghand> since if it comes down to it we can claim
<MrZentor> I love how you made a case against me
<MrZentor> That's absolutely hilarious XD
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<MrZentor> Why aren't you voting for WBG
<MrZentor> Nvm..
<MrZentor> WHAT
<MrZentor> THEY CANT BE MASONS
<MrZentor> THEY ARE SO SCUM
<MrZentor> RIGHT
<Blazinghand> yes
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<Blazinghand> well I think we just won.
<MrZentor> Yeah
<MrZentor> Well
<MrZentor> I hope so
<Blazinghand> yup
<MrZentor> I hope the game doesn't live up to its name
<MrZentor> Because I'd hate for you to be scum
<MrZentor> or something stupid like that
<MrZentor> But after Keir's last post
<MrZentor> I'm more certain they're scum
<Blazinghand> i highly doubt this game is bastard modded
<Blazinghand> and I doubt even more than there are 6 blues
<MrZentor> argh
<MrZentor> GIMME THE FLIP
<Blazinghand> lol
<MrZentor> There are always at least 3 posts after the
<MrZentor> please refrain from posting
<MrZentor> post
<Blazinghand> lol
<MrZentor> Ugh
<MrZentor> 6 posts
<MrZentor> and no night posts
<Blazinghand> i keep on refreshing
<Blazinghand> lol
<MrZentor> ARGH\
<MrZentor> MROE POPCORN
<MrZentor> okay
<MrZentor> 4 masons
<MrZentor> wtf
<Blazinghand> welp
<Blazinghand> at least we won't waste a mislynch on Kei
<MrZentor> we suck
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December 06 2012 00:02 GMT
#1701
so wait austin explain again why you didn't vote/lynch sandro d2? it was because WBG case was so good?
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December 06 2012 00:26 GMT
#1705
the lack of a PM and the lack of a rolecrumb is meaningless on an investigative role. The lack of a check/result crumb and the lack of pressure on sandro is trohblng
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United States25552 Posts
December 06 2012 03:31 GMT
#1724
So there are a couple of things I don't like about austin's claim, and make me think it's a fake claim, ignoring rolecrumbs and role pm shenannies.

1) He didn't act on his N1 check in any way. I don't think with an N1 scum check on Sandro anyone would really be so passive. Like, shit man, why not push Sandro? Why pussyfoot around him? You can be like "oh I want more info" but nothing austinmcc does towards Sandro actually is like "yes info plz" or pressure or really anything you do to someone you have a strong scumread on.
2) His N2 check is sub-optimal. The #1 shots for last night for scum were DYH and Kei, who are the most confirmed. players. In theory, even though MrZ has been playing for the town all game, MrZ/BH is at least possible. The DYH 30 seconds claim and shot confirms him, and Kei has a flipped partner and is literally confirmed. I wasn't a realistic shot.
3) He didn't result-crumb. Without a result crumb at the start of D2 he's committed to claiming at the end of N2, which isn't how you do things as an investigative role. His actions don't really make sense
4) His red check is on a near-universal townread and he himself is scummy. Austinmcc is a great 1-for-1 sacrifice for the scumteam, especially eliminating someone who's a universal townread (but not confirmed). Right now we're at LYLO-1. If we lynch Sandro, then Austin, there are 2 scum left and we're at LYLO. Good situation for scum all things considered.

I see no reason to believe this claim.

##vote: austinmcc
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United States25552 Posts
December 06 2012 23:09 GMT
#1776
One moment here mrZentor let's talk this out
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United States25552 Posts
December 06 2012 23:37 GMT
#1778
huehuehuehue
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United States25552 Posts
December 07 2012 00:22 GMT
#1781
we have no conversations since my last posting that weren't about whether you or sandro are scum. I can drop them in here if you'd like though
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