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If it's fine to play it that way I'm /in | ||
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Whatever, /in as replacement in that case I guess. | ||
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Let's put it this way: I'm fairly certain that out of those people greymist is pm'ing at least one won't respond anyways, so if that happens he can in again and I'm taking THAT spot :p | ||
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##find rat ##craft rat-flail now that I'm fully equipped for battle without spending money at all: ##spend 100g on booth and hookers | ||
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Now I've got 500g I guess. spend 500g on random crap that looks awesome | ||
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On November 20 2012 11:51 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2012 11:49 Dienosore wrote: Ah, so the game has started already, has it? Good luck everyone. ##Flip: 10g into fountain I'm not entirely sure that it has. I am, however, sure that I'll ## dance the night away, earn gold from toad did you not see the last time someone did that she ( I hope it was a girl oO ) ended up paying me. But hey, I'm up for more. | ||
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On November 20 2012 12:08 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2012 12:06 Toadesstern wrote: On November 20 2012 11:51 Promethelax wrote: On November 20 2012 11:49 Dienosore wrote: Ah, so the game has started already, has it? Good luck everyone. ##Flip: 10g into fountain I'm not entirely sure that it has. I am, however, sure that I'll ## dance the night away, earn gold from toad did you not see the last time someone did that she ( I hope it was a girl oO ) ended up paying me. But hey, I'm up for more. no gender specifications. Clearly was a male. well someone is pregnant therefore someone is most likely female unless this themed game is really weird. | ||
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On November 21 2012 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I feel you austin. I'm an invisible replacement, so it's not empty...but it's not full (I don't think) so the company OUTSIDE the obsQT would be appreciated. Wat. I made it into the game although it was full and you didn't? Now what am I going to shoot / lynch / tunnel d1? But fear not for we will (probably) have modkills! You'll probably be sooner in this game than you can say "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP TUNNELING ME". Isn't that nice? :p | ||
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On November 21 2012 05:06 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Its already been made its called jester. That would be "Boring" and "Broken" and "Bastard". not if everyone's a jester! But that'd be something only Igrok is allowed to host ;( | ||
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Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far. There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on. That being said I plan on becomming leader d1. Vote for me please :3 I plan on sending people I trust to be town. Especially my townreads are pretty awesome and I have an easy time picking up townreads early on so I'd say this job is the right job for me. That being said I will not send people some kind of "majority" thinks I should send. I will send people I myself consider to be town and nothing else. That probably sounds stupid to those people who are new to this game but that's how these things are going. Don't listen to people telling you they will listen to some majority-decided group they will nominate if they get to be leader. Vote for someone who's willing and comfortable enough to make a decision on his own instead of trying to dodge the responsibility but wants to be leader for whatever reason nonetheless. I know it sounds awesome to have people telling you that your voice will be heard and everyone can hold hands and decide on the group together but that's just meaningless smooth-talk. You've got your vote. You vote for the leader, not more and not less. Everything else is in the hand of the guy in charge. That's how you influence this outcome and it's enough. More than that just makes it way to likely for people to be influenced. I will obviously only vote for someone I trust to be able to get good reads d1 himself in combination with a townread on said guy (duh). Having someone who's just going to roll a dice to determine who's going on the mission is not going to help us and let's face it, there's people who are at face value with rolling a dice, at least on d1. Vote me pretty please! | ||
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Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by. I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:17 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote: This Keirathi guy is mafia. Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far. There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on. Really? I'm scum because the people I would be most willing to vote as leader are the people I'm most familiar with? Don't be ridiculous. no you're scum for pointing that out. That's a important difference. | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:27 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote: On November 21 2012 17:17 Keirathi wrote: On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote: This Keirathi guy is mafia. Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far. There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on. Really? I'm scum because the people I would be most willing to vote as leader are the people I'm most familiar with? Don't be ridiculous. no you're scum for pointing that out. That's a important difference. No, you're being dumb. I've played lots of games with marv, iamperfection, S&B, risk.nuke, Z-BosoN, etc. I 100% trust my ability to read them better than I trust my ability to read you or syllo or sandro, whom I've never played with. When it comes down to time for me to vote, I'm going to think "Ok, sandro might be town, and he's getting a lot of votes. But, I'm much more sure that marv is town because I'm way more familiar with how he plays. It makes sense for me to vote him." Plain and simple. If that makes me scum, then tough titties. And yet you still haven't understood what I'm saying. I'm not saying your reasoning is stupid. If you feel that way fine although I'd hope that you have more than just one guy you feel comfortable to read... I mean you just mentioned a bunch of people, yet you only mentioned Marv earlier, didn't you? The issue is that you get in here telling us about that. | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:43 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 17:31 Toadesstern wrote: On November 21 2012 17:27 Keirathi wrote: On November 21 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote: On November 21 2012 17:17 Keirathi wrote: On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote: This Keirathi guy is mafia. Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far. There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on. Really? I'm scum because the people I would be most willing to vote as leader are the people I'm most familiar with? Don't be ridiculous. no you're scum for pointing that out. That's a important difference. No, you're being dumb. I've played lots of games with marv, iamperfection, S&B, risk.nuke, Z-BosoN, etc. I 100% trust my ability to read them better than I trust my ability to read you or syllo or sandro, whom I've never played with. When it comes down to time for me to vote, I'm going to think "Ok, sandro might be town, and he's getting a lot of votes. But, I'm much more sure that marv is town because I'm way more familiar with how he plays. It makes sense for me to vote him." Plain and simple. If that makes me scum, then tough titties. And yet you still haven't understood what I'm saying. I'm not saying your reasoning is stupid. If you feel that way fine although I'd hope that you have more than just one guy you feel comfortable to read... I mean you just mentioned a bunch of people, yet you only mentioned Marv earlier, didn't you? The issue is that you get in here telling us about that. You're right, I guess I don't understand. How is explaining how I plan to use my vote scummy? As far as mostly talking about reading marv (at one point, I did mention that there were other people I was comfortable reading if I don't feel like marv should be elected party leader), its because even though I feel like I have a grasp on how to read them, I don't think they'll be likely party leader candidates. No matter how strong of a town read I have on, say, iamperfection, its just pretty damn unlikely that he gets elected as party leader day 1 when there are vets "running" for the position that most of the game is willing to sheep. The thing is that it gives us (read: everyone who's not you) nothing at all. Fine we got it but why are you telling us that you're planning to favor Marv? Are we supposed to talk about it? I highly doubt it. Then why did you tell us preemptively about it? It really looks like a cheap excuse to justify yourself and I'm having troubles figuring why you'd want to do that? That's why I said at best it's pointless, at worst it's a guy trying to contribute something while actually being pointless. Your early explanation sounds like a set-up for the next couple of hours of this cycle. | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:50 goodkarma wrote: Nice to play with you again Toadesstern . There were a few things you mentioned I would like to briefly touch up on and then I'm really going to bed... Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote: This Keirathi guy is mafia. Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far. There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on. That being said I plan on becomming leader d1. Vote for me please :3 I plan on sending people I trust to be town. Especially my townreads are pretty awesome and I have an easy time picking up townreads early on so I'd say this job is the right job for me. That being said I will not send people some kind of "majority" thinks I should send. I will send people I myself consider to be town and nothing else. That probably sounds stupid to those people who are new to this game but that's how these things are going. Don't listen to people telling you they will listen to some majority-decided group they will nominate if they get to be leader. Vote for someone who's willing and comfortable enough to make a decision on his own instead of trying to dodge the responsibility but wants to be leader for whatever reason nonetheless. I know it sounds awesome to have people telling you that your voice will be heard and everyone can hold hands and decide on the group together but that's just meaningless smooth-talk. You've got your vote. You vote for the leader, not more and not less. Everything else is in the hand of the guy in charge. That's how you influence this outcome and it's enough. More than that just makes it way to likely for people to be influenced. I will obviously only vote for someone I trust to be able to get good reads d1 himself in combination with a townread on said guy (duh). Having someone who's just going to roll a dice to determine who's going on the mission is not going to help us and let's face it, there's people who are at face value with rolling a dice, at least on d1. Vote me pretty please! What you're saying here seems perfectly reasonable to me. However, I still feel it's important that you provide your candidates you wish to bring to the party before people make a vote for you. We can't just vote for you because you're a vet that will perform well for us if you're town... Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that. Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by. I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. This is a very interesting point. But keep in mind that since lynching at the very least isn't commonplace, it might be possible for scum to deliberately bus themselves even early to gain some town credit and not get hurt that badly. Like maybe they spend their scumhunting time repeatedly picking on hypothetical scumperson A for half the game until he finally gets lynched. They go out looking townie, and don't have to worry about getting lynched again for a very long time... I'm still not convinced that focusing on lynchings as the primary means for town victory is best in this setup. Also, while faking scumreads on town is the standard task for scum in normal games, I'm thinking that faking townreads on scum as scum is going to be their focus this game. It will be easier for them to "blend in" doing this perhaps, but it should still be possible to find them, especially when a particular event outcome goes poorly. I still see this as the inverse of a normal game, where townreads are the priority. Scumreads may follow based on an unexpected vote.outcome to some extent, but only insofar as knowing whose opinions can be most trusted.for selecting the next party leader. I'm going to adress the 2.5 major points shortly: Yes I'm going to give you an idea of who I'm considering. I don't know what it's going to be like and I can't promise wether I'll call my exact team early but I'll give reads. I will try and explain the reasoning of the reads and what you're supposed to look into is that reasoning and not the reads themselves. I don't want you to only look at the results of my reads, I want you to look at my and everyone elses train of thought. That's the interessting part. Yes scum can bus themselves but that will lead to mistakes due to confirmation bias. That's the reason it's hard for mafia to fake reads in general. They know they are right or they know that they're wrong so they're approaching the situation completly different. And again, that's what you want to look into. If someone calls someone mafia but isn't able to give reasoning as to why he thinks so or if you think his reasoning is bad your alarmclocks should be ringing. And lastly yes I agree, mafias will most likely try and blend in by pointing out easy to do reads. That is just another reason why we shouldn't let people skate by doing nothing but delivering some weak reads as to why someone is supposed to be town. After all you're going to be right in most cases even if you roll a dice all the time due to the nature of alignment distribution, right? Picking out mafias is harder and is the standard by what we should be judging people. | ||
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On November 21 2012 18:05 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 17:51 Toadesstern wrote: On November 21 2012 17:43 Keirathi wrote: On November 21 2012 17:31 Toadesstern wrote: On November 21 2012 17:27 Keirathi wrote: On November 21 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote: On November 21 2012 17:17 Keirathi wrote: On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote: This Keirathi guy is mafia. Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far. There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on. Really? I'm scum because the people I would be most willing to vote as leader are the people I'm most familiar with? Don't be ridiculous. no you're scum for pointing that out. That's a important difference. No, you're being dumb. I've played lots of games with marv, iamperfection, S&B, risk.nuke, Z-BosoN, etc. I 100% trust my ability to read them better than I trust my ability to read you or syllo or sandro, whom I've never played with. When it comes down to time for me to vote, I'm going to think "Ok, sandro might be town, and he's getting a lot of votes. But, I'm much more sure that marv is town because I'm way more familiar with how he plays. It makes sense for me to vote him." Plain and simple. If that makes me scum, then tough titties. And yet you still haven't understood what I'm saying. I'm not saying your reasoning is stupid. If you feel that way fine although I'd hope that you have more than just one guy you feel comfortable to read... I mean you just mentioned a bunch of people, yet you only mentioned Marv earlier, didn't you? The issue is that you get in here telling us about that. You're right, I guess I don't understand. How is explaining how I plan to use my vote scummy? As far as mostly talking about reading marv (at one point, I did mention that there were other people I was comfortable reading if I don't feel like marv should be elected party leader), its because even though I feel like I have a grasp on how to read them, I don't think they'll be likely party leader candidates. No matter how strong of a town read I have on, say, iamperfection, its just pretty damn unlikely that he gets elected as party leader day 1 when there are vets "running" for the position that most of the game is willing to sheep. The thing is that it gives us (read: everyone who's not you) nothing at all. Fine we got it but why are you telling us that you're planning to favor Marv? Are we supposed to talk about it? I highly doubt it. Then why did you tell us preemptively about it? It really looks like a cheap excuse to justify yourself and I'm having troubles figuring why you'd want to do that? That's why I said at best it's pointless, at worst it's a guy trying to contribute something while actually being pointless. Your early explanation sounds like a set-up for the next couple of hours of this cycle. Ah, okay I guess I understand what you're saying now, at least. People were discussing which vet they were going to vote for, so I said I would likely be voting for marv. Then someone asked "Why marv, isn't he going to be super-hard to read day 1?" Then I started going into the long reasons why. I didn't just come out and say it all; it was an answer to specific questions. Unless you just wanted me to ignore them, then :o Also: You gave two possibilities for my explanations: either useless, or trying to contribute while being useless. Notice neither one of those possibilities are "he's scum". A guy trying to contribute something while being useless is a mafiatreat, that's why I mentioned you. Scum are trying to look like they're doing something without actually doing something all the time. | ||
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On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote: Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice. No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants. screw you. I am running as well. | ||
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On November 22 2012 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 01:39 Toadesstern wrote: On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote: Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice. No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants. screw you. I am running as well. Yay you are back. What do you think about my case on Clarity? I haven't really read a thing yet up to what I just quoted. That means I'm having something like 8 pages to read right now and I'm checking those out as quickly as possible to get a quick idea of what's going on and once I'm done with that I'll read it in normal speed | ||
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On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that. Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by. I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. | ||
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On November 22 2012 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 01:39 Toadesstern wrote: On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote: Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice. No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants. screw you. I am running as well. Yay you are back. What do you think about my case on Clarity? I don't think it's that much yet. I really don't want to get into detail about that though. | ||
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On November 22 2012 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 02:11 Toadesstern wrote: On November 22 2012 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote: On November 22 2012 01:39 Toadesstern wrote: On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote: Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice. No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants. screw you. I am running as well. Yay you are back. What do you think about my case on Clarity? I don't think it's that much yet. I really don't want to get into detail about that though. Because? Clarity is acting like you have said is a scum read, posting a lot but without content. Or did I read your earlier posts wrongly? I found something I consider to be a towntreat though as mentioned I'd rather not explain that kind of stuff because if I do people will know what to say to make me think they're town... Again another reason why we shouldn't talk about people's townreads and rather focus on peoples mafiareads. And let's be frank here: I like to exaggerate early on as long as it's for a reason. What I said about Keirathi holds true and I think it's a bad sign but I purposely went overboard labeling him mafia early on over something that might as well be something else. Most people are having troubles talking about "stuff" if there's no stuff available so the main purpose was to get people talking about mafiareads instead of talking about townreads because again, I think it's going to be really hard to get a grasp of what's going on if everyone's just able to make a weak post about why they think one out of 25 people might be town. So basicly I agree with some of the things you mentioned but there's also stuff I interpret the other way around. | ||
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On November 22 2012 02:53 Dienosore wrote: I would want ME to be the leader, of course. I realize I'm not running with any history, so I understand how that puts me at a disadvantage if you are trying to play it safe. However, I believe not having any track record in this situation is actually better, due to my campaign platform: All I want is the first leader position. If elected, I will open up the party selection process to everyone by making a poll and taking the top three with me (I know i said two earlier; was an honest mistake). I will also have a poll for what to do for our first action. I believe this is the best way to go about things, seeing as we have NO IDEA what is going to actually happen at the end of the first cycle. Once we have seen how the game is played, I will step down and let someone else have a turn as leader. I already adressed this. This kind of post is something that is supposed to look nice while not being nice at all. We want to elect someone who's comfortable to make a decision himself and willing to take responsibility. We don't want to vote someone who's dodging responsibility and opting to go with some kind of majority decreed team. Now the bolded part is interessting. Why do you want to be the first leader? I take it it's not to improve our chances because frankly speaking you don't even feel comfortable to judge someone yourself, do you? So if it's not to improve our chances, what's your reasoning behind running for this position? | ||
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On November 22 2012 03:02 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 03:01 Toadesstern wrote: On November 22 2012 02:53 Dienosore wrote: I would want ME to be the leader, of course. I realize I'm not running with any history, so I understand how that puts me at a disadvantage if you are trying to play it safe. However, I believe not having any track record in this situation is actually better, due to my campaign platform: All I want is the first leader position. If elected, I will open up the party selection process to everyone by making a poll and taking the top three with me (I know i said two earlier; was an honest mistake). I will also have a poll for what to do for our first action. I believe this is the best way to go about things, seeing as we have NO IDEA what is going to actually happen at the end of the first cycle. Once we have seen how the game is played, I will step down and let someone else have a turn as leader. I already adressed this. This kind of post is something that is supposed to look nice while not being nice at all. We want to elect someone who's comfortable to make a decision himself and willing to take responsibility. We don't want to vote someone who's dodging responsibility and opting to go with some kind of majority decreed team. Now the bolded part is interessting. Why do you want to be the first leader? I take it it's not to improve our chances because frankly speaking you don't even feel comfortable to judge someone yourself, do you? So if it's not to improve our chances, what's your reasoning behind running for this position? Do you really have to ask that question? There's a pretty obvious explanation (to me), and if you're not able to see it then it makes me doubt that you are town. I've got a bunch of explanations. I want to hear why he wants to be leader from himself. I don't intend to give people possible explanations as to how they "should" answer when asking them to explain themselves... | ||
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On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote: On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that. Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by. I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. | ||
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On November 22 2012 03:13 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote: On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote: On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that. Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by. I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. If they're strong, motivated town players who can in turn read others correctly as town, I want them as party leader. Activity isn't the only indicator, and getting others to talk shouldn't require you to be leader. Of course it's not the only indicator, far from it but I'm better in that regrad than Syllo or Sandro and I consider it to be important. I'm not going to say I'm a better scumhunter than those two because I'm not. I am definitely good but I have seen those two take out complete mafias teams by the end of d1. I'm basicly getting in here telling you guys that I'm fine with posting a bunch and having people like Syllo, Sandro, Kita and Marv look at me all day long. I won't just go inactive, I will be posting. I'm not going to say I'm the most transparent guy around either because I love asking trick-questions to gauge reactions and to find out wether or not people are just reading or actively thinking themselves but I'll be here posting a bunch. That's what I can offer to make sure you guys get the right idea about me right now. | ||
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On November 22 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote: Vote Count Kitaman27 (1): Kitaman27 Djodref (1): djodref Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta Dienosore (1): Dienosore Toadesstern (1): Oatsmaster Syllogism (4): Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler Acrofales (1): Promethelax Players who have yet to vote (12): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, goodkarma, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, phagga, Adam4167, sandroba, Toadesstern Remember that voting is mandatory. All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Does that mean you can actually vote for yourself? I figured that's not possible oO | ||
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On November 22 2012 09:17 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 18:05 Toadesstern wrote: On November 21 2012 17:50 goodkarma wrote: Nice to play with you again Toadesstern . There were a few things you mentioned I would like to briefly touch up on and then I'm really going to bed... On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote: This Keirathi guy is mafia. Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far. There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on. That being said I plan on becomming leader d1. Vote for me please :3 I plan on sending people I trust to be town. Especially my townreads are pretty awesome and I have an easy time picking up townreads early on so I'd say this job is the right job for me. That being said I will not send people some kind of "majority" thinks I should send. I will send people I myself consider to be town and nothing else. That probably sounds stupid to those people who are new to this game but that's how these things are going. Don't listen to people telling you they will listen to some majority-decided group they will nominate if they get to be leader. Vote for someone who's willing and comfortable enough to make a decision on his own instead of trying to dodge the responsibility but wants to be leader for whatever reason nonetheless. I know it sounds awesome to have people telling you that your voice will be heard and everyone can hold hands and decide on the group together but that's just meaningless smooth-talk. You've got your vote. You vote for the leader, not more and not less. Everything else is in the hand of the guy in charge. That's how you influence this outcome and it's enough. More than that just makes it way to likely for people to be influenced. I will obviously only vote for someone I trust to be able to get good reads d1 himself in combination with a townread on said guy (duh). Having someone who's just going to roll a dice to determine who's going on the mission is not going to help us and let's face it, there's people who are at face value with rolling a dice, at least on d1. Vote me pretty please! What you're saying here seems perfectly reasonable to me. However, I still feel it's important that you provide your candidates you wish to bring to the party before people make a vote for you. We can't just vote for you because you're a vet that will perform well for us if you're town... On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that. Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by. I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. This is a very interesting point. But keep in mind that since lynching at the very least isn't commonplace, it might be possible for scum to deliberately bus themselves even early to gain some town credit and not get hurt that badly. Like maybe they spend their scumhunting time repeatedly picking on hypothetical scumperson A for half the game until he finally gets lynched. They go out looking townie, and don't have to worry about getting lynched again for a very long time... I'm still not convinced that focusing on lynchings as the primary means for town victory is best in this setup. Also, while faking scumreads on town is the standard task for scum in normal games, I'm thinking that faking townreads on scum as scum is going to be their focus this game. It will be easier for them to "blend in" doing this perhaps, but it should still be possible to find them, especially when a particular event outcome goes poorly. I still see this as the inverse of a normal game, where townreads are the priority. Scumreads may follow based on an unexpected vote.outcome to some extent, but only insofar as knowing whose opinions can be most trusted.for selecting the next party leader. I'm going to adress the 2.5 major points shortly: Yes I'm going to give you an idea of who I'm considering. I don't know what it's going to be like and I can't promise wether I'll call my exact team early but I'll give reads. I will try and explain the reasoning of the reads and what you're supposed to look into is that reasoning and not the reads themselves. I don't want you to only look at the results of my reads, I want you to look at my and everyone elses train of thought. That's the interessting part. Yes scum can bus themselves but that will lead to mistakes due to confirmation bias. That's the reason it's hard for mafia to fake reads in general. They know they are right or they know that they're wrong so they're approaching the situation completly different. And again, that's what you want to look into. If someone calls someone mafia but isn't able to give reasoning as to why he thinks so or if you think his reasoning is bad your alarmclocks should be ringing. And lastly yes I agree, mafias will most likely try and blend in by pointing out easy to do reads. That is just another reason why we shouldn't let people skate by doing nothing but delivering some weak reads as to why someone is supposed to be town. After all you're going to be right in most cases even if you roll a dice all the time due to the nature of alignment distribution, right? Picking out mafias is harder and is the standard by what we should be judging people. To clarify my opinion of Toad, I wanted to address the bolded point above. It's wrong. Or rather, it's likely wrong in this particular game format. In this game, mafia's goal isn't simply to sit around and try not to look like the scummiest person in the thread. Mafia's win-con is probably heavily weighted to the success and failure of the missions that we run as town. They want to be elected onto parties, and as a result, their goal is to look as townie as possible rather than simply blend in. So when I see toad post something like this, and then talk about how he'll "be more active" and "will take responsibility" - those are talking points I'd expect a mafia would use. Long story short, don't vote Toad. Even if you see eye-to-eye with me, he's a hard guy to read anyway - there's no way we'll have significant hints toward his alignment on D1. Long story short: I never said my activity is all I got to offer. I said I am very well a vet myself but said that that activity is the difference between people like Syllo/Sandro and myself when someone asked what's making me a good candidate. Also I'm from Europe, I usually don't like these US-style campaigns other people do in games when there's a mayoral election because I think that's trying to influence people by smoothtalking them. I'm not a better scumhunter than Sandro or Syllo, I'd consider my abilty to successfully identify townies early on as pretty sharp and what I've got is what I've got. I won't promise more than what I said unless it was meant as a joke (this game it wasn't). I'll make it clear here: Yes your right, I'd say the same as mafia, however I'm offering what I can offer to make sure you guys got a good idea about me, I'm cooperating if you will. If that's not enough that's stupid but I guess I can't do a thing about it. Thx for the next guy basicly telling people they should be scared about me because I'm hard to read... that's really helpful. Do you really think that people like Marv, Kita, Syllo, Sandro are so much worse than me in that regard if you compare our abilities as mafias from past games? Because frankly it's hilarious that I get that all the time and yet noone is talking about those "risks" when adressing Syllo or Sandro. Almost like I'm WBG/BC-junior. | ||
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I don't want people to judge me or someone else solely by the plattform we are running. A single d1 post that is meant as your platform for running an election that proves you're town doesn't exist, therefore I'm not even trying to do such a thing, as is noone else. I gave you an idea about what I thought about the game, how we should approach the game, how I think we should be focussing on scumhunting rather than talking about townreads all game long and that's it. That doesn't make me mafia or town in the slightest. What should bring you to the conclusion that I'm town are the posts I did that are not based on the election because as you, what I posted in my "campaign" isn't clearing me as town, nor was it supposed to. | ||
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On November 22 2012 12:36 Dienosore wrote: Cant believe you guys aren't even considering me for first party leader. Would it help if I made three towny reads and put them all under the scope with me? Fine. Give me a minute to whip something up. Yes it would grately help to tell us the team you scraped together within a minute as an effort to get more votes. Now onto more serious matters: I guess I'll have to stop running for leader. Noone's willing to vote for me and people are apparently scared. I've got a single vote on me and that's my own and I guess it's not going to happen. I'll keep on doing what I said I'd be doing and what I did so far nonetheless but I'm not running myself anymore. Guess I'll have to vote for either Syllo or Sandro at this point. I wouldn't touch Marv with a 2meter long stick right now (as someone put it very charmingly when talking about me) but he's not running anyway, so that's good. Kita seems like an interessting option as well. Frankly speaking simply because I'd say mafia has their eggs in the basket as well and well, Kita has no votes so I'd feel much better about voting him than for Syllo or Sandro right now. | ||
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I think we should be voting Kita. I love voting Kita. ##vote Kita | ||
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Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:03 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:01 Toadesstern wrote: goodkarma wasn't even "running" when I did my post earlier. Yeah could have voted him as well but Kita was posting around that time. This is pretty much a supremely weak reason to vote for someone and you know it. yeah I do. Are you guys not reading? | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game.Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game.Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game.Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature | ||
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I've seen you post quite a bunch, I've seen you mainly ask a bunch of questions that mostly had their purpose and that's fine but what's lacking is some sort of conclusion. I think you said you don't want to vote for Kita. That's as much as it goes. You've got all those fancy questions and reactions from people that are supposed to be very interesting. And yet you're not putting some thoughts together explaining what you think is going on at all. Would you mind doing a little of putting your thoughts together for me? | ||
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On November 23 2012 01:33 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 01:29 Toadesstern wrote: Marv I really want to know what's inside your head right now. Interested in sharing some thoughts? I've seen you post quite a bunch, I've seen you mainly ask a bunch of questions that mostly had their purpose and that's fine but what's lacking is some sort of conclusion. I think you said you don't want to vote for Kita. That's as much as it goes. You've got all those fancy questions and reactions from people that are supposed to be very interesting. And yet you're not putting some thoughts together explaining what you think is going on at all. Would you mind doing a little of putting your thoughts together for me? I just said why I don't want kita elected. If you have any specific questions, shoot. Otherwise I don't feel the need to explain what I think about everything under the sun. One example for you. I asked syllogism about to Prome to see if what he thought aligned with what I thought at all. I had thought Prome's votes and explanations were somewhat off, and syllo agrees (despite me not saying beforehand what I thought). On the other hand, Prome was one of the players kita was thinking of taking in his team. Hence that strengthens my resolve for liking syllo and not kita. I just want to see a post that has some kind of train of thought involved. Putting at least some of the information you got by asking all these questions into one post that results in some kind of conclusion about someone. A mafiaread if you want to put it bluntly. Doesn't have to be a case, doesn't have to be a wall of text but something that is more than "I don't like you". All I'm seeing right now is random bits of informationgathering that may or may not be used at all. | ||
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On November 23 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote: It should be quite clear from my filter that right now I would lynch Cave if I were given the chance. I am somewhat suspicious of Prome for basically the reasons syllo gave. The fact I disagree with kita's reads and I don't find him as insightful as I know he can be as town makes me suspicious of him too. I am also suspicious of Clarity because he's snippy and I don't know where he's going, plus what I said to him earlier where he seems to be doing very little to work out whether his vote is placed on the right person, having sheeped me earlier. I can't quite tell right now whether his whining about being accused for his 'playstyle' is more likely to be townie or mafia. Still I just don't like this kind of posts you're doing. It's not actually a list-post but with propper formatting it would be... I asked for some thoughts about someone with some kind of a conclusion and you're giving me a bunch of names with a short little phrase afterwards. Maybe I should have emphasized more on focusing on 1 guy and your reasoning for said guy being colored the way he is in your chart of awesomeness, because that's what I wanted to see. Some things that may or may not look weird in your opinion and add to a read alltogether. | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:01 marvellosity wrote: tough titties, Toad. okay got it, you're a hyprocrite. | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote: That's... what I said. Or are you just emphasizing it? I think he's emphasizing. When I read your post and you said "now everyone has 2 data points" I thought you're talking about kush having 600HP and Marv having more HP than kush and thought you misunderstood it. That is until I realized that you were referring to everyone's own HP being the 2nd data point and it actually not having anything to do with Marv. | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:52 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote: I don't see why you would know your success modifier and why do you think 4 is low? I assume that is a third party claim, what do you claim your win con to be? I'm town sadly well the question was how you know that 4 is a low value, as in, you've got to know at least one more modifier which is supposed to be a lot higher than your own, correct? | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:58 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 02:55 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 02:52 CaveJohnson wrote: On November 23 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote: I don't see why you would know your success modifier and why do you think 4 is low? I assume that is a third party claim, what do you claim your win con to be? I'm town sadly you didn't answer any of his questions. Read the OP and maybe you will find I did as for why 4 is low we have already had several claims in thread mine isn't the lowest but I'm not giving up near immortality for it. we had someone claim "3" and that someone made it very clear that that number is just for the sake of writing a number rather than it actually being 3. Forgot who it was. Anything else I missed? | ||
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But yeah I agree about the part with Syllo and Sandroba. I liked the way Syllo interacted with Sandro from the get go and unlike Kita I wouldn't say it was a sudden change of mind at all. A lot of his posts or question had some sort of disbelieve involved and I wondered if Syllos was going to just keep it that way or if he's going to really call him out on things he mentioned. | ||
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On November 23 2012 04:19 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 04:15 Djodref wrote: On November 23 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote: On November 23 2012 04:03 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 23 2012 03:51 Hapahauli wrote: On November 23 2012 03:46 Keirathi wrote: Hapa, I already explained why a candidate keeping his party hidden was a good idea. Yeah I saw that Kei, and I think it's really really stupid. Being scared of a possible D1 mafia manipulation isn't a good reason to sheep blindly on a player. It's like wanting to no-lynch on D1 in a normal game because there's a supposed "low chance of hitting scum." You lynch D1 anyway because of the amount of information we gain from the votecounts. Syllo is proposing an "optimal" strategy that completely neuters the amount of information we'll gain from the voting. This is fucking retarded. I disagree that it completely neuters the information, and I'm moving my vote to syllo. This is completely different from a no-lynch, as you must be aware. We get to know his party. If his party fails, he will explain his reads. If they succeed, then blind faith successful, town wins the event. I respect that you want his reads upfront and feel it would make for a more informed choice of elected leader, but it is Day 1 after all, and while I think you are town Hapa, I like the plan that syllo and djo have put forth about withholding information from the scumteam to prevent harm to our possible success. It is my opinion that this game is more heavily geared towards winning the theme than winning the mafia game, and that means succeeding at events. I think syllo is just as capable as you at picking townreads, and just as likely to be town as you are. This means that from a party leader perspective, syllo provides a better chance at succeeding in the event than you currently do. ##Unvote: sandroba ##Vote: syllogism This is so fucking retarded. Like you've got to be kidding me. It's amazing that players are thinking like this and are a-ok with Syllo's "system" in complete blind faith. This "voting" isn't just about determining Syllo's allignment - it's about seeing who votes for who. This gives a bunch of players to herp-derp and vote syllo (just like you're doing) with zero rationale. We want to be able to draw lines between votes and reads. I want to know who thinks who is town, and the parties that players are supporting. THAT"s the information we value here! Because if we fail this mission, we're not going to know jack shit. Syllo explaining his choices after the fact is completely worthless, and this gives a perfect veil for mafia to hide under without making any reads. @ Hapa I disagree with you. This is just a matter of time. In 6 hours or so, we are going to know who were the party members and if the event has failed or not. Syllo giving explanations before and after is just going to help us to assess our read on syllo. No goddamnit NO. NONONONONONON. These votes aren't about determining Syllo's allignment. They're about determining the other players! Those who vote and do not vote for syllo. In a normal mafia game, we would make reads on D2 and beyond with information of where people stand on player allignments. We would know who thought who was town/scum/etc. We don't get any of this in this system! A bunch of people are going "I think syllo is town, and I'll vote for him." This is stupid and rediculous compared to the alternative, where players will have to think entire teams of players are town rather than syllo. I mean holy shit, do you really want to vote/trust a guy who's saying things like this? Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 04:08 syllogism wrote: I guess if Sandroba is mafia, what I said about marvel's play not making strategical sense from mafia point of view is moot. In addition, he doesn't seem worried about dying in the near future, considering his hp related remark and him already announcing that he may run for an election in the future. Regardless, it's not relevant now and I am not going to go through his filter to determine whether it makes sense content-wise. That's not important right now though and a content based evaluation has to be made when it is. I've a team ready. Not entirely satisfied with it as usually figuring out 3 virtually certain townies is easier; perhaps it's the format or the players complicating things or me just not being familiar with a lot of people here. Around 4 hours until deadline, is this correct? It's actually another point about him I like. I've got the same issues. I find it more difficult to get something going in general as well. There's a shocking amount of people I don't feel comfortable judging right now which usually never happens in games. I'd say it's due to the nature of this game and the talk of today being so different from what we usually get. I don't see a problem at all with that statement. | ||
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On November 23 2012 04:31 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 03:54 Acrofales wrote: Kita, you still comfortable with Promethelax? The thing that would make me the most worried is how several players come out of the wood-works to discredit him for questionable reasoning. It could be the mafia team trying to plant their opposition to a scum buddy early, which is the only thing that concerns me. I still have a favorable opinion, but I might have someone in mind to replace him. Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 04:15 syllogism wrote: Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand. I disagree syllo. Unless the town finally sees the light and elects me as their dear leader, it seems quite unlikely that you're not going to be elected. Revealing the team provides us reads on whether are not certain players are satisfied with your choices. Our opinions won't force you to change your mind, but it is possible we might point out something you didn't see. I don't see the point of withholding right now. I always get the feeling people talking like this are not part of "the town" themselves... | ||
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##vote Syllo | ||
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Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:10 Keirathi wrote: @marv: why are you surprised that he took me? You're the one who openly said you don't want to be on missions because that'll make failures more likely because you know you've got a low hidden value, aren't you? | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine. Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all? In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all... I took a two month pause from mafia because I purposly played against my wincon last game to kill myself after the end of d1 in my last game as a ragequit because of something my teammate did. It was only a Callergame, I don't think I would have done that in a normal game but that's the reason I took a pause from mafia because I was clearly to heated up and to much into the game. I'm actively trying to keep it reasonable this time to not get to hooked up again and have it end that way. Ask some of the people who played the most recent Caller game. I was really pissed. | ||
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On November 23 2012 09:51 Adam4167 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote: syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog. It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) Having to get two mafia elected onto a team of four to cause a failure hardly seems fair from a balance perspective considering the probable demographic that's being worked with (ie 3x as many town on average). agree. As an example in resistance games the team size increases with each mission and it was: With a 3 man team 1 mafia inside the team is enough to fail the mission (not actually a quote, just for formatting purposes)With a 4 man team 1 mafia inside the team is enough to fail the mission With a 5 man team 2 mafias inside the team is enough to fail the mission With a 6 man team 2 mafias inside the team is enough to fail the mission. for resistance-1 if I remember correctly. I was mafia in resistance 1 so I'm actually fairly certain and don't feel like doublechecking... | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:08 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote: On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine. Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? I'm talking about you trying to get votes on marv when sand is trending. I wouldn't even mind if you had done it with some reasoning. wat I think I made it fairly clear that I want to lynch Sandroba today with that post. If anything I'm softdefending Marv by saying I'd rather lynch Sandro today lol. but that'd be incredibly far fatched. I'd say I made it fairly clear that I'd like to lynch the both of them if we had a double lynch available. | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote: On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine. Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:19 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 10:14 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:08 TheChronicler wrote: On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote: On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine. Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? I'm talking about you trying to get votes on marv when sand is trending. I wouldn't even mind if you had done it with some reasoning. wat I think I made it fairly clear that I want to lynch Sandroba today with that post. If anything I'm softdefending Marv by saying I'd rather lynch Sandro today lol. but that'd be incredibly far fatched. I'd say I made it fairly clear that I'd like to lynch the both of them if we had a double lynch available. No. To me it looks like you're trying to have a back door for yourself in case a marv push were to appear. You could point to that post and go, "See!" People will decide for themselves, but for ME it's sketchy as hell. In that case I could also go to the countless amount of posts I did yesterday telling people that Marv is probably the least person I'd ever vote because I consider him to be mafia and that I consider one of Sandro&Syllo to be mafia, thinking Syllo is town. But yeah I want them both dead. If a Marv lynch is going to appear I'll vote for that as well, I just think a Sandroba lynch is the better move right now. A softdefense would be telling people "Sandro is totally mafia but I'd rather lynch Marv". That's why I said I could understand it the otherway around but the way you said it just makes no sense. | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote: On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine. Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. | ||
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On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote: On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine. Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote: On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine. Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. Did YOU give an opinion on if I was claiming scum in the thread or not? I don't remember you doing so. well I would have if I had considered it to be a mafiaclaim. I don't talk about townreads... | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:06 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote: On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine. Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. Can you qualify this jab at marv using marv's filter? sure thing: On November 23 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote: Interesting that syllogism took Keirathi, by the way. On November 23 2012 09:11 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 09:10 Keirathi wrote: @marv: why are you surprised that he took me? you weren't on my list of townreads, the other 2 were He made it very clear that he confusion wasn't based on the fact that Keirathi told people he is going to make missions more likely to fail and said that Keirathi wasn't on his townlist just 2 hours ago. | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:07 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 11:04 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote: On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. Did YOU give an opinion on if I was claiming scum in the thread or not? I don't remember you doing so. well I would have if I had considered it to be a mafiaclaim. I don't talk about townreads... So, you had a scum read on me, then i claimed something weird in the thread and that moved me to a town read? No, you said something I considered to be a weak mafiatreat early in the game. I mentioned it telling people you're scum trying to get people talking about stuff like that rather than having people talk about the set-up or townreads. Like I explained (go check my filter, I don't feel like searching that post because it's REALLY long time ago). You then proceeded to keep on playing agressive unlike the vast majority of people which made me go back to null-read (again, the first one was an ever so slight read I exaggerated on purpose, nothing I'd consider a read at all in general), maybe slightly leaning town. You then proceeded to either straight up claim third-party, mafia or incredibly concerned townie. | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:17 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 11:13 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 11:07 Keirathi wrote: On November 23 2012 11:04 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote: On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. Did YOU give an opinion on if I was claiming scum in the thread or not? I don't remember you doing so. well I would have if I had considered it to be a mafiaclaim. I don't talk about townreads... So, you had a scum read on me, then i claimed something weird in the thread and that moved me to a town read? No, you said something I considered to be a weak mafiatreat early in the game. I mentioned it telling people you're scum trying to get people talking about stuff like that rather than having people talk about the set-up or townreads. Like I explained (go check my filter, I don't feel like searching that post because it's REALLY long time ago). You then proceeded to keep on playing agressive unlike the vast majority of people which made me go back to null-read (again, the first one was an ever so slight read I exaggerated on purpose, nothing I'd consider a read at all in general), maybe slightly leaning town. You then proceeded to either straight up claim third-party, mafia or incredibly concerned townie. which? On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote: On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine. Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. go ahead and guess what I considered to be a likely explanation and what I considered to be an unlikely explanation out of those 3. Again, the question is: Did he willingly claim mafia or is he just really concerned? Why in the world should someone post something like that as a mafia or third party... unless maybe he's the GF or has GF-like abilities as either mafia or third party and wants to draw DT's but come on... that's just way to complicated. The best explanation simply was him being concerned and not claiming mafia on purpose. | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:32 Keirathi wrote: You know, I'm really surprised that no one ever asked me WHY I claimed that I had a low success modifier :o Yes, it was an inadvertent slip, talking about something a "VT" wouldn't have knowledge of. Just weird that no one even really questioned me about it. Pretty sure people asked you o.O Pretty sure either you or someone else said it's probably because of the name of your role as you kept saying you don't know the exact number. | ||
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Is that a likely townrole because of the name or why is everyone mentioning that oO | ||
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On November 23 2012 12:09 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 09:45 Clarity_nl wrote: I wonder what happened (or perhaps, didn't happen) because we succeeded the mission. At the very least this makes syllo and dieno relatively close to confirmed town, right? Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote: syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog. It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) @Clarity I don't think that we can say that syllo is a confirmed town yet. Let's imagine that scum syllo knows that he has a low negative modifier factor for the events. What is preventing him from looking town enough to get elected and then pick up 3 towns in his party. It should be easy enough for scum syllo not to bring any 3P along In this way, he can get a lot of town credit ^^ of that'd be the case mafia Syllo would not have picked Keirathi who claimed to have a low hidden value. If that'd be the case mafia Syllo would have tried to pick either average looking guys or people he considers to have a high value (for whatever reason), but sure as hell he would have dodged Keirathi do stay concealer. He didn't. | ||
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On November 23 2012 12:11 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 12:09 Djodref wrote: On November 23 2012 09:45 Clarity_nl wrote: I wonder what happened (or perhaps, didn't happen) because we succeeded the mission. At the very least this makes syllo and dieno relatively close to confirmed town, right? On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote: syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog. It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) @Clarity I don't think that we can say that syllo is a confirmed town yet. Let's imagine that scum syllo knows that he has a low negative modifier factor for the events. What is preventing him from looking town enough to get elected and then pick up 3 towns in his party. It should be easy enough for scum syllo not to bring any 3P along In this way, he can get a lot of town credit ^^ if that'd be the case mafia Syllo would not have picked Keirathi who claimed to have a low hidden value. If that'd be the case mafia Syllo would have tried to pick either average looking guys or people he considers to have a high value (for whatever reason), but sure as hell he would have dodged Keirathi do stay concealed. He didn't. | ||
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On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote: Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again. Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning. Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded. nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1. Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked. | ||
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On November 24 2012 03:57 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 03:55 Toadesstern wrote: On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote: On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote: Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again. Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning. Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded. nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1. Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked. Why are you discarding Kita and GK in that case? because neither of them were a serious the first 30hours. | ||
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On November 24 2012 04:10 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 04:03 Toadesstern wrote: On November 24 2012 03:57 Acrofales wrote: On November 24 2012 03:55 Toadesstern wrote: On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote: On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote: On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote: Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again. Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning. Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded. nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1. Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked. Why are you discarding Kita and GK in that case? because neither of them were a serious the first 30hours. That is patently false. GK made himself candidate before Syllo did. Insofar as I recall Kita did too, or at worst just afterwards. While completely and utterly ignored by the thread, they did put forward a plan and voiced their intention to become leader. Them not gathering momentum doesn't seem to be a good criteria at all. Sandroba and Syllogism will always gather votes simply by being who they are. The point I made is that until the 30hour mark I had more votes than both of them and I only had 2 votes on me... | ||
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On November 24 2012 11:01 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 10:29 Dienosore wrote: Oh and also some of the lines in the second map are pencil, some are pen. Pencil indicates that they are voting to hang that person. I'll take this opportunity to place my vote on sandroba. Where is toad... I would have really liked seeing his opinion on Sandro before voting. I really only see Sandro as scum if toad is scum, too. sry it's firday (was) and as usually I'm taking the train back to my parents place.. that takes a lot of time and I haven't read a thing because I didn't really want to after that long of a trip, so I played some dota from 9pm my time or something like that... sry I guess, but that's how it is with me every game I'm playing. About the question: I think I made my point on Sandro (and Marv) very clear. You even quoted me when I did that. What do you want me to say more about it? | ||
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On November 24 2012 11:18 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 11:09 Toadesstern wrote: On November 24 2012 11:01 TheChronicler wrote: On November 24 2012 10:29 Dienosore wrote: Oh and also some of the lines in the second map are pencil, some are pen. Pencil indicates that they are voting to hang that person. I'll take this opportunity to place my vote on sandroba. Where is toad... I would have really liked seeing his opinion on Sandro before voting. I really only see Sandro as scum if toad is scum, too. sry it's firday (was) and as usually I'm taking the train back to my parents place.. that takes a lot of time and I haven't read a thing because I didn't really want to after that long of a trip, so I played some dota from 9pm my time or something like that... sry I guess, but that's how it is with me every game I'm playing. About the question: I think I made my point on Sandro (and Marv) very clear. You even quoted me when I did that. What do you want me to say more about it? Lol, actively lurking much? well yeah, as mentioned I had a long day, with a long trip and I wanted to relax today. I'm checking in here every 2 hours or so but I'm not really reading so no I don't feel like posting right now. No need to make a [i]lol actively lurking much?[i] when I "admitted" it myself. But again, it's like that in every game on every friday, so get used to it. Going to sleep now, see you tomorrow :p | ||
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Technically speaking nothing has changed for me so far becautse I'm not done reading, so I'm still the most concerned about marv and Sandro. They both feel off. I'd say Marv a bit more than Sandro but again, I'm still assuming there's got to be a vet who was running for, or at least able to run for leader d1 balancewise. On top of that Syllo seems to be pretty sure about his read when there's no reason to doubt him right now. So yeah I'd go for Sandro today. [ | ||
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If you don't think so could you please stop the nonsensical "OMFG TOAD IS LURKING" or "OMFG TOAD IS SOFTDEFENDING" when I at least admitted the first one myself (the 2nd one was just bullshit) and when clearly neither of those is alignment indicating at all for me. You're a smurf right? You should know me and you should very well know that I'm Mr. HypnoToad, especially in the games I ended up playing as mafia.... LI, never forget oh and hi VE So do me a favor and actually ready my posts instead of what you're doing right now. | ||
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On November 24 2012 23:03 marvellosity wrote: Toad, it's funny how you've called me scum like 50 times, but the only explanation you've given at all is that me/my posting seems "off". Sincerely, Someone-not-terrible. I wouldn't say 50 times. And no the explanation I've given is that you're usually better than what you're showing. I really disliked your d1 performance. I really disliked the points you were pointing out d1, like when I was voting Kita and you kept on harping about it like you're some guy in his 2nd game who never had a game with me. I really dislike the fact that you're not so much involved early on, like you did in whatever-the-name-was-the-one-were-I-was-mason and turned out to be mafia as well. Can't say much about your d2 performace right now because again, I'm still catching up. | ||
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On November 24 2012 23:19 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 23:14 Toadesstern wrote: On November 24 2012 23:03 marvellosity wrote: Toad, it's funny how you've called me scum like 50 times, but the only explanation you've given at all is that me/my posting seems "off". Sincerely, Someone-not-terrible. I wouldn't say 50 times. And no the explanation I've given is that you're usually better than what you're showing. I really disliked your d1 performance. I really disliked the points you were pointing out d1, like when I was voting Kita and you kept on harping about it like you're some guy in his 2nd game who never had a game with me. I really dislike the fact that you're not so much involved early on, like you did in whatever-the-name-was-the-one-were-I-was-mason and turned out to be mafia as well. Can't say much about your d2 performace right now because again, I'm still catching up. I didn't want to go there, because it didn't seem worth it, but you've been straight out lying about LV all game. Mainly to make yourself look better. You excuse yourself in LV for inviting me into your mason chat as either "you were trolling" or there were 2 kenpachi-like people left to invite. This is simple false. You invited me BEFORE confirmed town EchelonTee, because I appeared so town to you, and BEFORE extremely townie newbie austinmcc. You invited me because your read on me was wrong and you thought it was the useful thing to do. Given I replaced in night 1 LV, and pushed a scum straight away who got modkilled, I was viewed as town from very early and that remained the case throughout the game. So saying "I wasn't so much involved early on" is once again a flat out lie. Just to dig the boot in, mafia (me/wiggles) left you alive that game, despite you were confirmed town, for many many cycles because you were so completely and utterly useless. Stop referring to games where you've managed to talk yourself into having a really rosy view of the outcome when in reality your read on me was 100% wrong and you got completely outplayed, and left alive by scum for being an irrelevance. And stop lying about it now. I know that I was useless that game and I know that you kept me alive that game, no need pointing that out. But no, I did not invite you to the mason circle because of a read. I invited you because I had to because I assumed that mafia would either kill me or ET at almost-lylo. If I remember correctly you guys DID kill ET that night and me the next one. Inviting him would have been useless because of that. If left unharmed I knew that I could get another guy into the circle as well so there was no reason to get either ET or Austin in there the first (of the last 2) nights at all. You even said yourself that you had to step up the game postgame and were afraid that it'd look odd after how you pretty much lurked after from d2 on and had to step up the game later on to lead people. | ||
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Sandroba looks the same way he did d2 so I still think he's the best way to go, not to mention that it's not that much time left. So much for the changes for d1 to d2. Drazerk looks like a madmen, like you guys said and well it's Drazerk.... Those people get shot and not lynched, it's as simple as that. A lynch on Drazerk is a (imo) random lynch as he could be doing that from both points of view and I don't have an idea what's going on in his head. Additionally I'd say that's probably not going to change that soon, which is why I'd say we let vigs deal with him, both to get rid of him and to make sure we don't have a Drazerk lynch that gives us 0 information while flipping like a dice role. The bad thing about lynching Drazerk is that anyone and their mom can hop on that lynch and say "herpa derp it's Drazerk, let's lynch him beacuse he's anti-town" and after the lynch we're in complete chaos because he either flipped red and everyone's pissed at those who thought he shouldn't be lynched because he's always like that or he's going to flip his chef / invoker thingie and people we don't get anything out of it because he was doing bullshit after all. TL; dr: Don't lynch that guy, shoot him. Completly ignore him in all other regards. Other than that I don't really like Chroniclers fashion of going after people. Can't help but feel that he thinks he needs to emphasize and point out very obvious things a lot. Could be me omgusing though, so I'd rather have some input from someone else about that. On November 25 2012 01:31 Dienosore wrote: I mapped you voting for sandro a long time ago. Why do you feel the need to vote him again, and in such a lackadaisical manner? [...] I didn't. On the start of d2 I said I'd like to vote for Sandro, maybe marv, went to the trainstation and was basicly afk for 24 hours. Now I'm back and gave a heads up on my current thoughts. I usually don't feel the need to copy&paste what I said earlier if nothing changed but I can do that from now on if it you makes you feel better :p I actually haven't understood your map yet, like Marv said I've been mainly mentioning Sand and him d1&d2 so far, maybe Keir a little d1 but I think I made it very clear that that was on purpose to get something going and I don't see arrows between Marv and me. But than again who knows what arrow belongs to what person | ||
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On November 25 2012 01:46 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 01:42 marvellosity wrote: On November 25 2012 01:36 kitaman27 wrote: On November 25 2012 01:19 marvellosity wrote: On November 25 2012 01:17 kitaman27 wrote: On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote: Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. If Cave should be lynched, when is the best time to do so? Is he going to suddenly provide a page long post of his suspicions in the coming days that's going to give us insight into his alignment? Is the endgame the best time to take care of him when we're battling Lavos? On day three or four, would you rather have more information to go by for Cave or another player? On November 25 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote: kita, why do you want to lynch Cave? Isn't he basically a policy lynch? Out of the players that you have commented on, Cave appears to be one of your strongest scumreads. Has your opinion changed? I guess it depends what you classify a policy lynch as. If a player gets caught lying and is anti-town the entire game, is it following a policy lynch or is it lynching a player because they are showing scummy traits? I abandoned my scumread on Cave in favour of a wtf-read upon learning it's Drazerk the madmen. As you know Drazerk lies and is anti-town all the time regardless of his alignment. Does this not make it a policy lynch? Perhaps, but I still view him as anti-town, as oppossed to a policy lynch on a player like BM, simply due to the fact that he is BM. I usually don't advocate lynching liars that I can see some benefit from, such as GM's fake medic claim in team melee, but I'm not seeing how drazerk's claim benefits the town or makes any sense. How do you recommend we deal with him? Ignore him and save him for last? What is your opinion on nuke? I'm not sure about nuke right now. He seems somewhat invested but not enough to make me want to call him town. Just a note on your case, you said he wasn't worried day 1 when voting for sandroba whether he was town, but he had said when he did so "Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays." which at least indicates a read of some sort. Regarding Cave: perhaps he can be roleblocked and vigged at some point, maybe he can be lynched later. But is it seriously your opinion that he has the highest chance of flipping scum today? It's the fact that you are considering this that seems so subpar from you (sorry if you feel insulted by this). It feels like the easy way out on a lynch, and that does not feel like your town play I read from LV/Storm at all. You do realize that my entire focus in Storm was pushing a "policy" lynch on RoL due to his absence right? He lived three cycles longer than he should have -_- Anyways, there are a couple more people I want to bring up, then I'll decide on a preferred candidate. Brb. You had to call the lynch candidate today, correct? Did you pick Draz? Just out of curiosity. | ||
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On November 25 2012 01:57 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 01:49 marvellosity wrote: Don't bullshit me, please. On November 25 2012 01:11 kitaman27 wrote: I started disliking Sandroba when Sandroba stopped acting like a townie. If you think that's suspicious you need to learn how to play this game. Furthermore the reason I'm voting sandroba is not inactivity and if you don't think he's scummy I want to hear concrete reasons why from you. You are not voting for sandroba nor have you given indications that is where you vote will end up. lol that's not my post. It got copied into mine from a quote copy/paste -_- @Toad, no I haven't decided yet. I have one more group of people I want to look into first. didn't you say: On November 24 2012 04:33 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 04:28 syllogism wrote: On November 24 2012 04:19 kitaman27 wrote: On November 24 2012 04:09 syllogism wrote: I'll give my thoughts as to who should be our lynch tomorrow. Taking a break today and not just because I'm lazy and there is no night cycle. Considering I have to submit a lynch guess tonight or else I receive a huge chunk of damage, it really would be nice if you would be able to take tomorrow off instead Also, I've been pulled into watching an awful family movie. Looks like I'll be posting in a couple hours XD That's pretty annoying. When do you have to send the answer in? It doesn't sound like a mafia ability to me I have 24 hours from the last day post, so about 4.5 hours. If its not a mafia ability, then the player responsible should be claiming and explaining why they are targeting me with it. Otherwise, if they are caught with it at a later point then they should be assumed anti-town. Be back as soon as I can. ? | ||
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On November 25 2012 02:01 marvellosity wrote: what toad? kita will have guessed the lynch, but he's putting on a show for us deciding who he wants to lynch with his vote... okay once again in slow: I figured that if Kita had picked Draz instead of Sandro it would make a whole lot of sense considering what he's posting right now. The show he's putting on as you put it so charmingly. If he guessed Sandroba he should be perfectly fine voting Sandroba, even just for the sake of his own life, after all we got a lot of people, including Syllo, being very confident about Sandroba being mafia. Now if he actually picked Sandroba this show just doesn't make sense at all unless it's for the sake of being a show. To look like someone who's actually having troubles picking the right vote while he actually has been set on Sandroba for the last 24 hours. The first one (picking Draz) would be weird. The second one (picking Sandroba but fighting a Sandroba lynch) is someone pretending to be someone he's not, as you just said. That's why I asked because I figured him picking Draz, while being prety unlikely is a possibility that would explain things. But telling people who he picked probably isn't good either, at least not if he's town. | ||
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On November 25 2012 02:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Can someone other than marv confirm that Drazerk would be a coinflip at the point? the stories I told about BM and drazerk weren't actually made up. The guy claimes bulletproof, unroleblockable medic telling people not to protect *insert townish looking VET* if you're a medic yourself because he'll do that himself just to tell us the next day he lied, he's just a VT and he's sorry that the VET died because he wasn't able to protect people as a VT. Yep, that's Drazerk. No idea if it's really a coinflip but that guy is hard to read and is playing anti-town no matter of alignment. And yeah I stand by what I said: Shoot those guys, don't lynch them. | ||
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On November 25 2012 02:27 TheChronicler wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 21:39 Acrofales wrote: On November 24 2012 20:57 marvellosity wrote: On November 24 2012 20:38 sandroba wrote: On November 24 2012 20:34 Acrofales wrote: @Sandroba: a lot of the case against you is inspired by the idea that scum must have had someone in the running for party leader yesterday. Do you agree with this? And if it's not you, then who was it? I answered that already: kita. He got overshadowed by his lack of activity and the fact that everyone was supporting me or syllo right off the bat. I've not seen any reasoning from you on why kita (or anyone else for that matter). What gives? You're not pushing anyone. Probably you only have to convince syllo, but this influential punter wants to know why you're not pushing your reads either? Is not pushing reads a scumtell? Especially if so blatantly obvious about it? Regarding Prome's interactions with me: I'm ok backing up Prome on this aspect of his play. As the target I didn't feel anything unnatural about it. I tend to have quite specific and different interactions with people. I saw iamp mentioned, and I agree with keir/hapa. Was a townread early but waning. Regarding my own play - I seem more interested on a lynch day than some party leader n stuff day? Go figure if that makes sense from what you know about me as a mafia (the game) player. Today I need to research kita quite a bit to see if I'm being unfair with the standards I'm holding him to. I can't really get over right now how he said he supported a sandroba lynch (as if he always had) but had never mentioned it before and has never mentioned it again. syllogism's assertion that kita goes after easy targets hasn't helped. I agree. Today, I want to figure out Kita, GK and Prom. I also feel that I am starting to figure out Chronicler, which will allow me to go over his filter again and see if it makes sense as town. On TheChronicler - just totally uninterested. I still don't really think he's scum and it's all a bit tedious. From the way the game has progressed I get the impression that sandroba and kitaman aren't both town. And there are reasons for both to be scum. Now to find out which is the best lynch. I am more cautious. I honestly feel that Toad could also have been the scum in the running. I haven't analyzed his play yet, but Sandro is giving answers that feel right. As stated before, his absense of caring can be explained by him simply going afk at the wrong time. His failure to give constructed reads seems fairly in line with what I know about him in the thread. Syllo seems to be trying to read Sandro as if they are skyping each other, which is simply not the case here. I feel Sandro is not playing any different from the town games I have seen him in, except for a noted drop off in activity. I also think his claim of using "shadow" is indicative of a townie use, but he might be bamboozling us. I realized before he replied that his self-pity could be explained as a townie who is quite unused to getting mislynched feeling himself powerless to convince people (or Syllo) that he's town. Additionally I am a bit suspicious of the way the Sandro wagon formed. It is basically one giant sheep of Syllo, which is way too easy for scum to just hop on with no-to-little reasoning. While I realize this would happen regardless of Sandro's alignment (based only off what Syllo thinks), it doesn't mean I like it. Agree 100%. Really happy we're on the same page for something in this game. If that's how you feel you should probably vote me. Saves me a lot of trouble. | ||
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I'm Johnny the attention-whore robot. I'm leader of a gang and therefore got the biggest ego in town. If I don't get 1 vote per day I take lots and lots of dmg. I don't want to get too much into detail there but I would have taken 500 damage yesterday had noone voted for me. Not entirely sure because of my internet going out but I wasn't able to ask Greymist because of that so I just wanted to be safe because my role already got changed once... Besides being able to literally kill myself I can use one of my machines and charge them for healing powers. I can only charge or heal, not both per night. I hit myself n1 for 100dmg and I should have targeted Hapa this cycle for 100 dmg getting a 2nd charge. Not sure if I can actually copy & paste my role, so I just described it and the best way to play it probably would have been to outright claim it d1 but I wanted to play it out, therefore I tried to be somewhat okayish d1, getting at least 1 vote (thx oats :3 ) and lurked d2, hoping that would do the trick to get a vote on me. It didn't so I started to behave more and more retarded by the minute until I had people voting for me :p Things that I have posted before: On November 22 2012 06:24 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote: Vote Count Kitaman27 (1): Kitaman27 Djodref (1): djodref Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta Dienosore (1): Dienosore Toadesstern (1): Oatsmaster Syllogism (4): Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler Acrofales (1): Promethelax Players who have yet to vote (12): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, goodkarma, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, phagga, Adam4167, sandroba, Toadesstern Remember that voting is mandatory. All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Does that mean you can actually vote for yourself? I figured that's not possible oO My role says I need to be voted at least once a day. That's why I said I assumed you can't vote yourself. Greymist told me to change it to "you need to be voted once per cycle by someone OTHER than yourself" On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote: On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game.Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote: On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote: On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game.Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature On November 24 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote: and Chronicler, if you really think my mafia meta is to lurk or soft defende people (pretty much everything you said about me) you prooooobably should be voting me as well. I like people voting me, gives me some attention I'm craving for so much, it's in my blood... or well, whatever else :p If you don't think so could you please stop the nonsensical "OMFG TOAD IS LURKING" or "OMFG TOAD IS SOFTDEFENDING" when I at least admitted the first one myself (the 2nd one was just bullshit) and when clearly neither of those is alignment indicating at all for me. You're a smurf right? You should know me and you should very well know that I'm Mr. HypnoToad, especially in the games I ended up playing as mafia.... LI, never forget oh and hi VE So do me a favor and actually ready my posts instead of what you're doing right now. Again, would have been best to outright claim it but I wanted to play it out. I had a bullshit postingrestriction last game as well and it freaked me the fuck out that I wasn't allowed to post for 48hours straight when I wanted to so badly. This time I just when chilling and thought I'll live with it instead of stressing me out how horrible this role is. So again: When did you check me and Sandro? And sorry for playing the way I did but I really had to. I don't assume you'll stop lynching me because I might as well make up some ridiculous bullshit and had this planned since the very first hour of the game I guess... Anyway don't listen to Kita, don't lynch Draz. I'm going to use my 200HP heal on someone tonight, I don't think I'll be able to gather another charge if the next cycle is a lynch again and we (somehow oO) got a red check on me after how I played :p | ||
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Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 | ||
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On November 25 2012 12:01 Hopeless1der wrote: Hey Tooaaaadddd...Can i haz ur heal? I'll give this vote I found. Look! ##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote Toadesstern I was planning on healing either our frog or syllo so far. And for those asking, I guess it's kind of a kamikaze medic. But thx for preventing the 500dmg :3 | ||
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On November 25 2012 12:06 CaveJohnson wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 12:04 Toadesstern wrote: On November 25 2012 12:01 Hopeless1der wrote: Hey Tooaaaadddd...Can i haz ur heal? I'll give this vote I found. Look! ##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote Toadesstern I was planning on healing either our frog or syllo so far. And for those asking, I guess it's kind of a kamikaze medic. But thx for preventing the 500dmg :3 Your role reminded me of my fool role from holy roman just reversed. I honestly expect you to explode if you type out a rhyme getting 1 vote in every single vote is ridiculous retarded... ^^ Only good part is that it's not fixed dmg but % of your HP you're having right now. | ||
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On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote: On November 25 2012 12:01 Hopeless1der wrote: Hey Tooaaaadddd...Can i haz ur heal? I'll give this vote I found. Look! ##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote Toadesstern You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... | ||
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On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote: oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg. Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote: On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote: On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote: On November 25 2012 12:01 Hopeless1der wrote: Hey Tooaaaadddd...Can i haz ur heal? I'll give this vote I found. Look! ##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote Toadesstern You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote: Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. | ||
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On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 13:17 Toadesstern wrote: On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote: On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote: oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg. Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote: On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote: On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote: On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote: On November 25 2012 12:01 Hopeless1der wrote: Hey Tooaaaadddd...Can i haz ur heal? I'll give this vote I found. Look! ##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote Toadesstern You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote: Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal Well no I'm not. | ||
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On November 25 2012 13:31 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 13:26 Toadesstern wrote: On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote: On November 25 2012 13:17 Toadesstern wrote: On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote: On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote: oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg. Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote: On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote: On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote: On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote: On November 25 2012 12:01 Hopeless1der wrote: Hey Tooaaaadddd...Can i haz ur heal? I'll give this vote I found. Look! ##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote Toadesstern You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote: Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal Well no I'm not. Okay, lets entertain the hypnotoad for a little bit, because I'm bored. You are hereby claiming that either TheChronicler and I are both scum and lying, or you were bussed/framed/whatever two nights in a row. I can understand N2, because I was ramping up the heat on you, but N1 as well? Lol. The other thing wrong with your claim is that there were no votes on you D1. At some point Oats voted for you, but at the end of the day there was nobody voting for you... unless you're saying you have a secret doublevoting scumbuddy of course. am I allowed to quote my pm? It says at any point during the day included in the party or get a vote. I asked Greymist about it d1 and he said a single vote on me is enough as long as it's someone elses. I don't need to be in the party and it doesn't have to be like that at the end of the cycle because of the "at any time during the day". Did Chronicle claim to check me n1 or was it n2 as well? I mean if it's n1 there's no point in talking and you'll lynch me either way and I'll just ask you to watch at him after I flip. I highly doubt you're going to stop lynching me even if he says / said n2. I just claimed to get you know, 4 days ahead of time (assuming lynches and events alternate) instead of the moment I flip and have huge chaos. Right now there's not much I can ruin because people will vote for a someone out of the d1-party anyways. | ||
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On November 27 2012 09:55 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote: Grawefakwjehfk I want to lynch someone T_T Oh well. @ Hopeless Curious - did Toad end up healing you? No record of a heal. I took 75 damage. I think I was healed, but the amount doesn't match Toad's claim. I was roleblocked Not even lying. | ||
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On November 29 2012 10:34 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2012 10:30 Toadesstern wrote: and I've got way more thatn 700HP. it's in the 4 digits. ok just stop the noose is all that awaits you that's not particularly scary. | ||
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[center[[/center] See how much I troll Greymist? Do you really want to lynch someone who's trolling the host? + Show Spoiler + No idea why the colors are fucked up + Show Spoiler + Also forgot wether or not I already posted, so making sure I'm not getting modkilled :3 | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:19 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote: Acro wants to kill me over confirmed scum. I see, you claimed to be pro-town third party right? Dafuq? I want to lynch toad. In the case toad is pardoned, I prefer you get killed over GK at the moment. I prefer EITHER of you over Syllo, who would currently be set for lynching if Toad is pardoned and the pardoner works the way people seem to think it does. Learn2read. For the umpteenbillionth time. pardoner doesn't work that way. If someone gets pardoned there will be a no-lynch. Sincerly, your friendly neighbourhoud-Toad | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:30 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2012 02:28 Toadesstern wrote: On November 30 2012 02:19 Acrofales wrote: On November 30 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote: Acro wants to kill me over confirmed scum. I see, you claimed to be pro-town third party right? Dafuq? I want to lynch toad. In the case toad is pardoned, I prefer you get killed over GK at the moment. I prefer EITHER of you over Syllo, who would currently be set for lynching if Toad is pardoned and the pardoner works the way people seem to think it does. Learn2read. For the umpteenbillionth time. pardoner doesn't work that way. If someone gets pardoned there will be a no-lynch. Sincerly, your friendly neighbourhoud-Toad You're right of course. We should take the confirmed scum's word for it. How could we be so stupid to think that it might work otherwise and take some small precautions? It's not going to work the way you want it anyways. No need to make up stuff :p | ||
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My HP is in the 4 digits. And well, you'll see what's going to happen after the lynch :p | ||
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On November 30 2012 06:11 Dienosore wrote: seems like exactly the sort of thing a scumball would say to stop this line of thinking... you got me there | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:04 Acrofales wrote: Was there any way I could have avoided it? :S I don't think you revived me. And well not lynching me would have avoided me respawning obviously :3 | ||
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I didn't really pay attention to anything past d1.5. I highly doubt that he has to kill me for a wincon though. | ||
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I'm totally a new guy, I've changed my life! I'm good now, believe me :3 | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On December 11 2012 09:24 Toadesstern wrote: This is going to be hilarious. Flipped mafia, getting back into the game. I'm totally a new guy, I've changed my life! I'm good now, believe me :3 Toad how did you avoid taking so much damage? What are you talking about? Who shot me? | ||
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Some time ago I said that I like Kita and that I'd like to get him voted. I don't think I like Kita anymore | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:36 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 11 2012 09:33 Toadesstern wrote: I think Kita said somewhere that I'd be raging in the mafia QT and be pretty pissed. Some time ago I said that I like Kita and that I'd like to get him voted. I don't think I like Kita anymore What?! This is what I get for reviving you? At least I didn't screw up your chrono with my badrider ulti like I did with other people I don't like for killing me. | ||
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On December 11 2012 21:40 Acrofales wrote: Would we have been told if we had killed all scum before Toad's revival? don't you know it or do you want to look like you don't know it? :p You asked Greymist about my revival after all, didn't you? | ||
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On December 11 2012 23:06 iamperfection wrote: Think you can win toad? no idea how hard Lavos can punch but I doubt it | ||
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But wasn't that much so I'm fine. | ||
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On December 12 2012 08:26 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On December 12 2012 08:21 Toadesstern wrote: I took some damage. Lavos probably punching me But wasn't that much so I'm fine. I wasn't roleblocked, so you took 300 damage. Scum. well yeah, as I said, I was hit but not much of a deal. You already saw me flipping once, didn't you :p | ||
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Feel free to not believe me and shoot me with everything you've got, that at least helps me in tanking more damage that Lavos would get otherwise (not that it makes a difference) but if you guys know one thing about my mafia meta is that I'm not lying, no matter what. "Worst" thing I do is leave out critical information while actually telling the truth :p | ||
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On December 13 2012 00:29 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2012 00:21 Toadesstern wrote: Oh btw there's no need in shooting me with a bunch of stuff. I didn't respawn with 1000HP. Only got 500HP this time around. I can't heal myself anymore so I'm stuck on 200hp right now. I mean there's no way to win this for me anymore... go figure. Feel free to not believe me and shoot me with everything you've got, that at least helps me in tanking more damage that Lavos would get otherwise (not that it makes a difference) but if you guys know one thing about my mafia meta is that I'm not lying, no matter what. "Worst" thing I do is leave out critical information while actually telling the truth :p You claimed your name was Johnny and your role was attention whore. How was that "not lying"? That was my fakelore I got... I can't nameclaim my role lol. Remember what ability I claimed? That was claiming my very real, existing machine instead of what the fakeclaim ability was :p | ||
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On December 13 2012 00:39 Acrofales wrote: Also not a lie? I don't even know why I'm addressing you. Scum, by definition, lies. Anything that you post is inherently untrustworthy. okay let's try to make it so you understand it: I never lie unless I have to. Obviously I'm lying about alignments. Obviously I'm lying about my rolename if it's alignment indicating. Everything else, where a lie is not mandatory I'm telling the truth but I don't really care... just trying to give you tips, so if you're not listening, be my guest to blast me away with more than 200dmg, it'll be wasted but you'll still win. | ||
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On December 13 2012 02:51 kitaman27 wrote: I can't put out the same amount of damage on Lavos tonight. syllo claims to not be targetting Lavos. Hope's 400 damage could get roleblocked or he could die from self inflicted damage. We really don't want it to take four cycles to kill Lavos. We should bring Lavos down to a point where we can be confident that the town factional kp will kill him on day three. Today we should target Lavos and tomorrow we can throw what we can spare at toad. According to his claim, Acro only needs a very small amount to ensure a toad kill. We don't need a toad overkill, only enough to ensure the kill after a couple of roleblocks. listen to this guy | ||
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On December 13 2012 07:28 syllogism wrote: The game should end as soon as Toad dies as I don't think lavos can kill us even if we stop sending in night actions yeah hope so. | ||
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So no, no rage in scum-QT from me :p | ||
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Welcome to Chrono Trigger Mafia! you are Johnny. You are the leader of the robot biker gang that hangs out at site 32 in 2300 AD. As the fastest racer out there you may use Nitro Boost. At night you may choose to use this ability to delay all actions on you until the next cycle. You must wait an additional night phase before using Nitro Boost again. In addition, being the leader of the gang has given you quite a big head. Due to your enormous ego you cannot compute not being the center of attention. If you are not voted for or added to the party at any point during the day phase, you will take 1/2 of your max health in damage (this damage is unpreventable). You have 550 Max HP. You win with the town. Best fakeclaim ever. Changed his active ability to my real ability though. | ||
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On December 13 2012 10:31 gonzaw wrote: lol Risen was scum? I thought after his Acro check he was legit lol. Got lucky there Also iamp was alive the whole game and Hope had 1 HP for like 10000000 cycles and was still alive wtf scum? we knew he was on 1 HP. Cycle 1 was retarded with Z-Boson's "lolol, let's splitt up damage in 20HP clusters to confuse the shit out of town" plan. And ever after that everything went south due to protection. You can believe me, we tried to kill people off but it was incredibly hard. Syllo was alive till the end without taking a serious amount of damage although he probably ate half our factional damage in total. Dieno survived for ages as well. We just weren't able to kill people at all, which is fine for a resistance style game but for that kind of a game you need many active mafia players. Sandro was decent (until he got busted, which we should have seen comming earlier... Sandro is known to have troubles playing mafia due to his amazing town), Risen was good, especially thanks to the bus but other than that most people on team mafia played with the mindset of not getting lynched imo. Noone besides Risen in our team looked townish AT ALL and you just can't win a resistance game like that. We needed to get in the events but then again with this game dragging out so long getting into an event basicly means insta confirmed mafia. | ||
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On December 13 2012 12:41 Acrofales wrote: I won't contest that I played too towny. I talked about that with Syllo. However, my wincon says nothing about Toad reviving, so once Toad was dead I figured that all I had to do was survive and my best bet for that was to help town kill Lavos asap, because he might kill me if the struggle lasted too long. I also saved what I thought was a heal for that occasion (turns out it was a heal), or if scum went nuts and wanted me dead. Then suddenly Toad got thrown back into the ring and I thought he might respawn with max HP and I'd be screwed Luckily my new abiities were completely OP and Toad with 500 HP was killable in 2 cycles (assuming no roleblocks), even without town help. However, what would've been way worse is if town didn't trust me and kept me roleblocked, so in hindsight, even with Toad respawning and Lavos dying faster being bad, my assistance to town also ensured that I would at least not get roleblocked by town and just had to deal with Lavos' random roleblocks. Don't know. I actually disagree with mementoss on that part and got to say I liked it the way you did it. Frankly speaking you were a town aligned third party, pretty much like the assassin I played in palmars last game. The moment everyone knew you're 3rd party you're save from mafia nighthits because they have bigger problems than you and once that's the case, all you have to do is make sure you don't get targeted by town or even lynched. So under these circumstances playing it too townish isn't possible imo :p There's just no reason not to play it the way you did. You might have getten into trouble for playing less townish. Not necessarily a lynch at all, but roleblocks or damage on you from a few stray townies is possible. | ||
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If I recall correctly (only played resistance 1, nothing else) it was a mini game and the events started out with 3 man. So maybe it should have started out with events of 5 people but other than that it was fine. You just have to play it differntly. Our team was mainly a bunch of lurkerish players not doing a thing. That works in normal games but it's not working in this kind of game especially given the size of the game. | ||
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On December 14 2012 06:21 gonzaw wrote: I found it funny how syllo lived for like 15 cycles this game as town He usually just dies on N1 lol it's not like we didn't try to kill him... like every single night^^ | ||
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On December 14 2012 06:57 syllogism wrote: We were already lynching Sandroba at the time. Perhaps from your point of view there was still uncertainty, but I think he was clearly in the lead in votes. I meant marv. Yes my role was too strong as well, but your role seemed to make someone completely invulnerable in addition to providing a lot of information when people claimed being roleblocked. Not only that, but it lasts for 2 cycles and even if no one happens to visit it gives a free damage shield too. It's a role with almost no downsides no matter who you happen to target. Factional KP being unblockable somewhat weakens it, but mafia only had a bit of that. factional KP wasn't unblockable, only untrackable as noone had to "deliver" the damage. | ||
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