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On November 24 2012 09:44 CaveJohnson wrote:
Its ok I've already used that one VE
I take it to mean that you used this last night? I'm confused.
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On November 24 2012 10:29 Dienosore wrote:
Oh and also some of the lines in the second map are pencil, some are pen. Pencil indicates that they are voting to hang that person.
I'll take this opportunity to place my vote on sandroba.
Where is toad... I would have really liked seeing his opinion on Sandro before voting. I really only see Sandro as scum if toad is scum, too.
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Grabbing some dinner with family friends, bbs.
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On November 24 2012 11:09 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 11:01 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 10:29 Dienosore wrote:
Oh and also some of the lines in the second map are pencil, some are pen. Pencil indicates that they are voting to hang that person. I'll take this opportunity to place my vote on sandroba. Where is toad... I would have really liked seeing his opinion on Sandro before voting. I really only see Sandro as scum if toad is scum, too. sry it's firday (was) and as usually I'm taking the train back to my parents place.. that takes a lot of time and I haven't read a thing because I didn't really want to after that long of a trip, so I played some dota from 9pm my time or something like that... sry I guess, but that's how it is with me every game I'm playing. About the question: I think I made my point on Sandro (and Marv) very clear. You even quoted me when I did that. What do you want me to say more about it?
Lol, actively lurking much?
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on phone.
@djo
1) read my filter, already responded
2) my plan wasn't so much about winning the event as getting the information from for peoples decisions not just one. I think we got lucky winning the first event, and everyone now thinks we made the right decision because if that. But how strong are town/scum reads d1? How easily are they wrong? I've seen enough d1 mislynches to know things are more luck than actual hunting.
If you accept that luck p lays a huge factor, then choosing thee people to choose another three won't make a difference for the end result. However, you will get a lot of information from the choices of the three chosen.
I'm going home ams on my phone, I know the spelling and formatting is horrible.
@zbo
You're either scum or don't read actually read filters. I reasoned to acro's accusations. Afaik he still hasn't responded to my response, though.
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On November 24 2012 13:44 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 13:26 TheChronicler wrote:
on phone.
@djo
1) read my filter, already responded
2) my plan wasn't so much about winning the event as getting the information from for peoples decisions not just one. I think we got lucky winning the first event, and everyone now thinks we made the right decision because if that. But how strong are town/scum reads d1? How easily are they wrong? I've seen enough d1 mislynches to know things are more luck than actual hunting.
If you accept that luck p lays a huge factor, then choosing thee people to choose another three won't make a difference for the end result. However, you will get a lot of information from the choices of the three chosen.
I'm going home ams on my phone, I know the spelling and formatting is horrible.
@zbo
You're either scum or don't read actually read filters. I reasoned to acro's accusations. Afaik he still hasn't responded to my response, though. @TC1) it's wrong. You have never explained in details how and when you decided that syllo was town. I want you to explain it now and why you didn't to do it. 2) I don't care about what happened for us. Everytime we discussed about your plan, you say something like "what if the party leader was mafia and stuff". I want you to show in which situations your plan would have been useful for town. I want you to expand your thoughts about your plan. I don't care if everyone else thinks it's bad and that we shouldn't clutter the thread an so on. You still think that your plan is good right ? I'm giving you an opportunity to show it to everyone.
Probably because I didn't decide he was town. So me saying I chose him bc he was my town read would be wrong. I didn't have a scum read on him, his plan was pretty opposite of mine, and cave had been trying to say he wasn't a viable candidate when he actually was, which made me think he was trying to keep sylo from being town leader with no solid reasoning. Why do that? Hence my vote.
My plan was useful regardless of town leaders alignment because it gave us information based on the choices made by the leader and whoever the leader chose. I just gave a situation where it was useful for town. Honestly, I feel like nothing I say will appease you. Why is that? I think you're trying to justify your bad posting earlier.
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On November 24 2012 14:15 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:11 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 14:02 Z-BosoN wrote:@TheChronicleYou keep saying I'm not reading, that people are not reading, that people are stupid, or whatever, but you fail to supply evidence. I've searched your filter yet again and couldn't see where you responded to this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=102#2037At least in a way in which I could recognize it as an attempt. Can you please quote the part where you replied specifically to the post I linked? @Z-BosoNHe has already addressed it. His plan was not based on the fact that people were going to chose other people based on their townreads, but based on "certain reads". So there is no apparent contradiction but it reinforces my conviction that he made this plan to not be elected with. I'm not saying that the plan is necessarily bad, in fact I'm quite interested with his idea, but what I'm sure is that his plan was not well thought through, it doesn't look like he really believes in it and it's was made with the goal to not be elected. This makes zero sense to me. Why would he pick three people if not people based on his own town reads? What the hell do you/him mean by "certain reads". What other reads are there when choosing the "team pickers"?
Lol, you have to be scum. There's absolutely no way I can see you as town. I sat here for like five minutes trying to find the contradiction, then I realized this was just so much easier to explain if you/acro were scum together.
On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
![[image loading]](http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/837/f64/b8f/resized/da-fuck-meme-generator-da-fuck-297845.jpg) Really, no contradiction? At all?
Really? Two people jumping on the same thing and both being equally wrong? I've given a lot of leeway with reading for this, but I can't find anything in my posts that say I would choose town reads. Why try and make something so easily checked like that up? Something so purposefully misleading only has scum motivation.
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On November 24 2012 14:32 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 13:44 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 13:26 TheChronicler wrote:
on phone.
@djo
1) read my filter, already responded
2) my plan wasn't so much about winning the event as getting the information from for peoples decisions not just one. I think we got lucky winning the first event, and everyone now thinks we made the right decision because if that. But how strong are town/scum reads d1? How easily are they wrong? I've seen enough d1 mislynches to know things are more luck than actual hunting.
If you accept that luck p lays a huge factor, then choosing thee people to choose another three won't make a difference for the end result. However, you will get a lot of information from the choices of the three chosen.
I'm going home ams on my phone, I know the spelling and formatting is horrible.
@zbo
You're either scum or don't read actually read filters. I reasoned to acro's accusations. Afaik he still hasn't responded to my response, though. @TC1) it's wrong. You have never explained in details how and when you decided that syllo was town. I want you to explain it now and why you didn't to do it. 2) I don't care about what happened for us. Everytime we discussed about your plan, you say something like "what if the party leader was mafia and stuff". I want you to show in which situations your plan would have been useful for town. I want you to expand your thoughts about your plan. I don't care if everyone else thinks it's bad and that we shouldn't clutter the thread an so on. You still think that your plan is good right ? I'm giving you an opportunity to show it to everyone. Probably because I didn't decide he was town. So me saying I chose him bc he was my town read would be wrong. I didn't have a scum read on him, his plan was pretty opposite of mine, and cave had been trying to say he wasn't a viable candidate when he actually was, which made me think he was trying to keep sylo from being town leader with no solid reasoning. Why do that? Hence my vote. My plan was useful regardless of town leaders alignment because it gave us information based on the choices made by the leader and whoever the leader chose. I just gave a situation where it was useful for town. Honestly, I feel like nothing I say will appease you. Why is that? I think you're trying to justify your bad posting earlier. @TC1) So basically, the election of the party leader and the process we should apply to pick up the other party members, it was just a big gamble to you. You based your vote on the fact that CJ was opposed to syllo's candidature. What do you know about CJ and his motivation to do this ? 2) I'm saying that your "give us information" mantra is some bullshit you made up. Give me a concrete example with players and alignments.
1) anyone saying they have a strong read d1 is lying. I made a decision based on small things, yup.
2) I'm leader, I'm town. I select my three scum reads at the time (which is really just near random). Say I choose Keir, die, Marv. Doesn't matter if kier is scum, he now has a choice proposed to him and his choice gives us information. Same for Marv/die. Information is pro-town.
Instead we got sylo and his three choices. So we got lucky, woohoo. What information do we have now? Don't lynch into those 4 because theyre more likely town than scum. Awesome. Now what? You're relying on people's night actions to give us information now. Sweet.
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On November 24 2012 14:40 Djodref wrote: @TCCan I ask you what do you think was town main goal yesterday ? - Was is to ensure that the event would be a success ?
- Was it to find some mafia players ?
- Was it to build a consensus on a town player ?
Maybe you thought of another goal. In this case, please explain it to me. Anyway, given the goal you think town should have tried to achieve yesterday, please explain me in details how yor plan was bringing some advantage to your position.
Town's main goal yesterday was to get information from as many people as possible and send up a prayer to win the event.
Instead we sent up a prayer and won the event. Sweet, we got lucky. Too bad we got the least information possible from the win.
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On November 24 2012 14:46 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:40 TheChronicler wrote:
1) anyone saying they have a strong read d1 is lying. I made a decision based on small things, yup.
thats bs though i get very strong reads on day 1 all the time. your just wrong here.
You're lucky with your day 1 reads then. It's either horrible scum or pure luck. With nothing to go on and no real interactions no scum should slip up that early. Strongly disagree.
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On November 24 2012 14:48 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:29 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 14:15 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 14:11 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 14:02 Z-BosoN wrote:@TheChronicleYou keep saying I'm not reading, that people are not reading, that people are stupid, or whatever, but you fail to supply evidence. I've searched your filter yet again and couldn't see where you responded to this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=102#2037At least in a way in which I could recognize it as an attempt. Can you please quote the part where you replied specifically to the post I linked? @Z-BosoNHe has already addressed it. His plan was not based on the fact that people were going to chose other people based on their townreads, but based on "certain reads". So there is no apparent contradiction but it reinforces my conviction that he made this plan to not be elected with. I'm not saying that the plan is necessarily bad, in fact I'm quite interested with his idea, but what I'm sure is that his plan was not well thought through, it doesn't look like he really believes in it and it's was made with the goal to not be elected. This makes zero sense to me. Why would he pick three people if not people based on his own town reads? What the hell do you/him mean by "certain reads". What other reads are there when choosing the "team pickers"? 1) Lol, you have to be scum. There's absolutely no way I can see you as town. I sat here for like five minutes trying to find the contradiction, then I realized this was just so much easier to explain if you/acro were scum together. On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
Really, no contradiction? At all? 2) Really? Two people jumping on the same thing and both being equally wrong? I've given a lot of leeway with reading for this, but I can't find anything in my posts that say I would choose town reads. Why try and make something so easily checked like that up? Something so purposefully misleading only has scum motivation. 1) Except I didn't mention a contradiction. I just can't fathom what sort of "reads" you are gonna use if not town reads. refer to point no. 2. 2) You also did not post a single fucking thing on what sort of reads they should be. What other reads could there possibly be for you too chose your candidates? You didn't go into detail on this, and this is something important and supposedly an integral part of your plan. This was an attempt, and the only one I actually found in your filter: Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:33 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:31 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 21 2012 12:29 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong. Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event. Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you? Because you're throwing a second layer of wifom into the mix. I'll take the information given by that choice over information given by a leader choosing based on his "reads". Seems pretty simple to me. Do you want information from the choice of one person, or do you want information given from the choices of three people (four, kind of, since you still get information from who the leader chooses)? But I view this as absurd and vague. How are you gonna choose? What's going to be your thought process? How are you gonna judge what gives more information and what does not? I can't view someone choosing a scum read over a town read in this brilliant plan because it would give "more information". So my question remains: What sort of "reads" are you referring to??.
Lol the root quote has you saying
On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
Really, no contradiction? At all?
THIS is what a contradiction looks like and this is why posting a lot is pro-town. Scum will trip over themselves eventually.
2) You're right, I didn't. Why should I influence other people's choices? The best information is given by people making choices that haven't been influenced. The "reads" you quoted there at the end is referring to any reads by a single person. We're supposed to trust the reads of a single person who could very well be scum? Sylo isn't even confirmed town and we have Keir in thread saying he's near confirmed scum. What? No, all we know is that he picked a successful team. I think there's equal motivation for scum to succeed as there is to fail it, maybe more to succeed. I don't even know what happens if we fail the event, but it didn't look like anything happened when we won it. Maybe scum knows the results of a win/loss, maybe having a near confirmed leader was more valuable than risking another of their members to force a loss since that narrows the fault to the four people on the team, while success has now given them the chance to put the entire thread under suspicion. I guarantee if we failed the scrutiny would have fallen on the four and we would be lynching one of the four. How is that good for scum? Why am I the only one thinking of this?
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On November 24 2012 14:59 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:52 iamperfection wrote:
zbos
i think we already been through that it was a shit plan. he thought it would give him a bunch of information for whatever reason the question is does it make him scum.
I think his somewhat stubbornness revolving around the plan is the better tell as he pushed it somewhat early on and even tried to modify to get it to work. He clearly thought it was good and somewhat still good in his mind. I think if he was scum he would more of just went with the flow
I think that he is more likely to be town. I disagree. As scum, I would have come with a bad plan and tried to push for it. Does his plan have any sense from a town perspective ? His plan doesn't help us to assure the event success. His plan doesn't help us to find town players. His plan doesn't really help us to find mafia players. The only thing is plan does is giving us some irrelevant information. His plan was made so he couldn't be elected and so he looked like this bad guy with poor ideas and poor logic. Or he is just a guy with poor ideas and poor logic with one year experience on mafia forums. Not buying it.
1) and sylo's has a higher chance of success how?
2) and sylo's has a higher chance of finding town how?
3) and sylo's has a higher chance of finding scum how?
4) the difference between sylo's plan and mine was that mine exposed more people's decisions than sylo.
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The argument you should be making is why sylo's lack of additional decisions makes his plan better than mine. None of your first three points are relevant when both plans give the same chance at town/scum/success.
The thing that made me consider marv's post telling me to stop was clarity's post saying we're just getting a second layer of wifom. I disagree, but with multiple people telling me my plan was bad, I stopped. I still think my plan is right, but I'm not going to continue shitting up the thread. I think I've said more than enough about my plan and why I think it was good. I'm done responding to questions about it unless something new is brought up.
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Sleep time, I'll be in Temecula tomorrow celebrating my fathers birthday, but I will be checking on the thread from my phone.
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On November 24 2012 16:07 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:08 TheChronicler wrote:
2) You're right, I didn't. Why should I influence other people's choices? The best information is given by people making choices that haven't been influenced. The "reads" you quoted there at the end is referring to any reads by a single person. We're supposed to trust the reads of a single person who could very well be scum? Sylo isn't even confirmed town and we have Keir in thread saying he's near confirmed scum. What? No, all we know is that he picked a successful team. I think there's equal motivation for scum to succeed as there is to fail it, maybe more to succeed. I don't even know what happens if we fail the event, but it didn't look like anything happened when we won it. Maybe scum knows the results of a win/loss, maybe having a near confirmed leader was more valuable than risking another of their members to force a loss since that narrows the fault to the four people on the team, while success has now given them the chance to put the entire thread under suspicion. I guarantee if we failed the scrutiny would have fallen on the four and we would be lynching one of the four. How is that good for scum? Why am I the only one thinking of this? Huh? Are you saying that I'm nearly confirmed as scum, or that I've said that syllo is nearly confirmed scum? Because neither are true. I said syllo was most likely town, but that him choosing me for the party leaves some room for doubt.
That's a typo on my part, I meant to say near confirmed town.
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On November 24 2012 19:53 Acrofales wrote:
TheChronicler
I am glad your thought process is finally becoming clear and I am starting to see why you think there is no contradiction there. Let me go through it with you and see if I understand you this time round. If any point is wrong, please correct it, or if the whole thing is wrong, please say so. We will get to questions and considerations afterwards.
1. You have no confidence in your own D1 scum or town reads.
2a. You extrapolate from that that nobody else can be right in their D1 reads either.
2b. Or you have seen so many D1 mislynches that you conclude town sucks at picking scum and therefore also sucks at picking town.
3. Therefore the best town can do when facing the problem of picking not one, but four town reads on D1 is to choose pretty much at random and pray that we're right.
4. Your plan would probably fail the event (but that is unimportant, because we would probably fail the event anyway, see point 3), but would give us insight into who picked whom and based on what reasoning. We could then use this to scumhunt in the rest of the game.
Further considerations are that you would pick your scumreads to give their preferred party member and not town reads.
Is this assessment correct? Please also indicate whether you feel 2a or 2b is most accurate, or both are considerations you had in mind?
Both 2a and 2b. Someone pointed out earlier that there are cases like crazy claims that almost have to be town, so there is that, but picking someone like Keir to be on the team seems absurd to me. Why not pick someone like Marv (who didn't even run iirc)? I think 4 is worded unfairly, but yes.
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On November 24 2012 21:39 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 20:57 marvellosity wrote:On November 24 2012 20:38 sandroba wrote:On November 24 2012 20:34 Acrofales wrote:
@Sandroba: a lot of the case against you is inspired by the idea that scum must have had someone in the running for party leader yesterday. Do you agree with this? And if it's not you, then who was it? I answered that already: kita. He got overshadowed by his lack of activity and the fact that everyone was supporting me or syllo right off the bat. I've not seen any reasoning from you on why kita (or anyone else for that matter). What gives? You're not pushing anyone. Probably you only have to convince syllo, but this influential punter wants to know why you're not pushing your reads either? Is not pushing reads a scumtell? Especially if so blatantly obvious about it? Show nested quote +
Regarding Prome's interactions with me: I'm ok backing up Prome on this aspect of his play. As the target I didn't feel anything unnatural about it. I tend to have quite specific and different interactions with people.
I saw iamp mentioned, and I agree with keir/hapa. Was a townread early but waning.
Regarding my own play - I seem more interested on a lynch day than some party leader n stuff day? Go figure if that makes sense from what you know about me as a mafia (the game) player.
Today I need to research kita quite a bit to see if I'm being unfair with the standards I'm holding him to. I can't really get over right now how he said he supported a sandroba lynch (as if he always had) but had never mentioned it before and has never mentioned it again. syllogism's assertion that kita goes after easy targets hasn't helped.
I agree. Today, I want to figure out Kita, GK and Prom. I also feel that I am starting to figure out Chronicler, which will allow me to go over his filter again and see if it makes sense as town. Show nested quote +
On TheChronicler - just totally uninterested. I still don't really think he's scum and it's all a bit tedious.
From the way the game has progressed I get the impression that sandroba and kitaman aren't both town. And there are reasons for both to be scum. Now to find out which is the best lynch.
I am more cautious. I honestly feel that Toad could also have been the scum in the running. I haven't analyzed his play yet, but Sandro is giving answers that feel right. As stated before, his absense of caring can be explained by him simply going afk at the wrong time. His failure to give constructed reads seems fairly in line with what I know about him in the thread. Syllo seems to be trying to read Sandro as if they are skyping each other, which is simply not the case here. I feel Sandro is not playing any different from the town games I have seen him in, except for a noted drop off in activity. I also think his claim of using "shadow" is indicative of a townie use, but he might be bamboozling us. I realized before he replied that his self-pity could be explained as a townie who is quite unused to getting mislynched feeling himself powerless to convince people (or Syllo) that he's town. Additionally I am a bit suspicious of the way the Sandro wagon formed. It is basically one giant sheep of Syllo, which is way too easy for scum to just hop on with no-to-little reasoning. While I realize this would happen regardless of Sandro's alignment (based only off what Syllo thinks), it doesn't mean I like it.
Agree 100%. Really happy we're on the same page for something in this game.
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Lol djo so scummy. Finally got people to move off sand, better go for it bud!
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On November 25 2012 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 02:57 TheChronicler wrote:
Lol djo so scummy. Finally got people to move off sand, better go for it bud! So your current scumreads are Zbo, Toad and Djo. I disagree with all of them. Please make some cases on them.
Or my scum reads are sand (who my vote is on and everyone has somehow selectively forgotten), toad by connection, zbo/acro by connection on their contradiction that wasn't a contradiction though acro has backed off at this point, and djo for his claims of reading my filter and trying to force me as a lynch candidate with weak sauce reasoning centered around a plan I abandoned and has continually brought it up when I was fine to let it drop. How many pages were screwed up because I was responding to all of his questions that basically said the same thing? Give a specific case? Why doesn't a general case work for you? You can't be bothered to put names in yourself?
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Also no real cases will be coming from me until Sunday night (real means quotes with explanation. Until then you get explanations only bc moving everything around on iPad/phone is way too time consuming). I'll be stuck on iPad or phone until I drive back to my apartment.
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