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On November 23 2012 23:28 strongandbig wrote: I'm voting Sandra I don't Luke his ignoring Sylvia case yestersay So you get to not be present in this game but not sandro ?? What the fuck with the double standards ? | ||
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It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all. For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude ! FoS risk.nuke | ||
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On November 23 2012 23:48 Oatsmaster wrote: lol when I was reading a mafia thread for the first time, I thought that FoS was full of shit :D @Djo, since you dont think sandro is mafia, and the some of the people that voted for sandro are mafia, Why do you think that risk.nuke is the scummiest out of all the votes? Because I hate lurkers lynching lurkers. Sandro doesn't get to be inactive for the only reason that town sandro is supposed to be imb4 and figure out the whole scumteam d2. But dropping by and casting a vote against him and go back to lurk land seems to be ok for themselves. They don't smell their own shit ! Regarding Risk.nuke, he stated that he is familiar with sandro and syllo but he has failed to bring in any original reasons for his vote. I'm expecting more from him. That's all... | ||
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On November 23 2012 23:59 Clarity_nl wrote: It's not Sand's sudden inactiveness (although it's not helping him). It's him not sharing any strong reads when he's running for election, yet demanding it of others. @Clarity I'm going to read your case against him again. If sandro and CJ were already dead, who would you like to lynch today ? | ||
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On November 24 2012 00:16 risk.nuke wrote: "without giving any alternatives"... Do you understand that bringing up alternatives would completely contradict the very reason I parked my vote on sandroba. The point was to build pressure to force him into activity. Saying, I'm parking my vote on sandroba but if he doesn't show up I'm going to vote this guy is just... dumb doesn't even suffice. @risk.nuke Well, obviously it didn't work because sandro is supposedly sleeping now. What do you plan to do now ? | ||
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On November 24 2012 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote: I plan on waiting until he wakes up.. The cycle ends in 36 hours, there still is plenty of time to go. @Oats I'd prefer you to try to find other mafia players until he wakes up. Any comments you want to make on my case against TheChronicler ? | ||
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On November 22 2012 15:10 goodkarma wrote: *snip* 2) Djo: I can't say that I have a very strong read on him, but I'm leaning towards town. He has proposed his own ideas for how to run an election. A scum could be just as forthcoming, however. Beyond that, I have to go off of his reads: he doesn't trust acro and prox, and thinks oats is town. I am in general agreement there. Definitely my weakest read. *snip* On November 22 2012 21:49 goodkarma wrote: Okay, I have finalized my team. It will be of an unusual composition (of the semi-lurker variety). Since mafia needs to influence party compositions in this game it is to their advantage to be proactive and not lurking. As such, I have chosen those I see as both pro-town and semi-lurking. These individuals I feel have been semi-lurking while contributing genuinely to the thread their own thoughts and opinions about the current game mechanics and other players. These are currently my strongest town reads.: In no particular order: 1) Djo 2) phagga 3) dieno (only because dieno has made a role-claim I am inclined to cautiously believe...) I will be around the next thirty minutes, and will review the thread briefly afterwards in about six hours. Please discuss any thoughts or concerns you have of these players before then. @goodkarma Can I ask you for more detailed reasons for your previous town read on me ? How did this read evolve ? Was I really one of your top 3 townreads at that time ? How could you take someone on your party with only a weak read on him ? I have some difficulties to believe this because we have never played together and I usually come off as scummy at first sight. I didn't pay too much attention to it the first time because I was kind of proud that you picked me  | ||
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On November 24 2012 02:12 Acrofales wrote: @Djodref: I went back and looked at your case, now that I have assessed his filter independently. I think your explanation is plausible. This is something I would totally do as scum. I would even push my "bad plan" even more. I don't like that how he chose the people to interact with also. He made remarks on Oats, Clarity, Dieno, iamp and Toad. But he stays away from the stronger players. Him voting on syllo without any assessment of syllo's alignment when he said he was very afraid that we vote a mafia player as a party leader is weird and not necessarily coming from a mafia playe, but the fact that syllo party platform is in his essence in opposition of his own platform shows that he didn't really consider his plan as serious from the beginning in my opinion. Moreover, he failed to show us what his plan was going to achieve for town. As town, even if you come with a bad plan with flaws and stuff, there should always be a direct advantage for the town. Here, we get information because people chose people with certain reads on them. Where is the benefit for town ? There are plenty ways of generating information. For example, your first idea, Acro, that everybody should announce their initial party and then change some members, was not bad. The whole thing was a fake imho. His story is not coherent. | ||
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On November 24 2012 02:27 TheChronicler wrote: I also like how I'm the scrub smurf and draz is just sitting up the thread. Are you going to be here for a while ? I would appreciate you to address my case and answer my questions and stuff ^^ 1. I would like you to explain me why iamp should not have stated that Dieno was a town read 2. I would like you to tell me about your experience on playing mafia on forums. 3. I would really appreciate you to explain me how you could vote for syllo with his platform. 4. And I think we also have to discuss about the real goal of your plan. I also want to know what was the "information" you were talking about and how town could have used it. 5. What the fuck were the "certain reads" ? | ||
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On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote: On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can. 1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people" 2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer. 3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility. 4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost? 5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. @TheChronicler 1) Could you remind me what was your plan about ? I thought it was to force the maximum number of people to chose other people based on... their townreads ? Am I right ? So you are against giving town reads, which is contestable, but not the issue here, but your plan was about giving town reads, no ? 2) Ok, thank you for your answer ^^ 3) Oh yeah, because people definitively discussed your plan in a constructive way. Marv has just shushed you, there was no real discussion. Moreover, you just told us that your plan still stands. How did you assess syllo alignment by the way ? 4) So the choices in your plan was about townreads. I think a lot of people were openly speaking about their townreads uesterday. Your plan was unnecessary and not in favor of a successful event nor finding the scum. 5)[spoiler="certain reads on"] On November 21 2012 12:41 TheChronicler wrote: I don't want to be as unaccountable as possible. If you think it's a better idea then why not have it go leader chooses three > three choose 3 others, can't choose themselves. Leader will want to choose people who he has certain reads on, since he will want the event to succeed, and those three will want to choose someone they have a certain read on. We get information from all the choices, and avoid the problem where everyone will just choose themselves. [/spoiler] I was speaking about your revised plan in the spoiler. What does the formulation certain read mean ? | ||
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On November 24 2012 03:11 TheChronicler wrote: If that JUST made me scum to you you're lying or not reading the thread. I already said that exact point earlier in the thread. Admitting my plan is faulty isn't scummy, it's honest. Why do you think it is? On November 24 2012 02:36 TheChronicler wrote: The revised edition was my original plan but as I was posting it I got cute. Don't know why, that was bad. Was serious about the revised plan. I still think it was a good idea, but if I'm the only one thinking that it must have been bad. @TheChronicler I think you don't know how to keep your story straight  | ||
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On November 24 2012 03:21 phagga wrote: I am completely confused by the bolded part. Number 1.) talks about him not givin townreads in general, which has nothing to do with his plan or syllo. His plan was to chose 3 people who would then chose the 3 people for the party. The 3 people he choses may very well be town, as he indicates for example here, and since he has to publicly call them out for them to make their picks, that would be him revealing his town reads. @phagga I agree, I think he tells us the story of this bad guy who wanted to be elected with a bad plan but failed. The problem is that he didn't manage to keep it strait. Hence, scum What do you think ? | ||
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@risk.nuke Play the waiting game ? On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote: *snip* I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak. We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play. We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies. This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination. Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays. ##Vote: Sandroba @risk.nuke Obviously, you know sandroba a little. Could you explain me why you feel like playing the waiting game with sandro is a good idea for today ? He explicitly told us that he was going to get busy this week-end Why couldn't you share a little more about what you think of sandroba so far while we're waiting ? Of course, I would also greatly appreciate any input on TheChronicler ^^ | ||
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On November 24 2012 05:01 risk.nuke wrote: Because I want to hear what he have to say before I decide if I want to lynch him or not. Right now I don't feel sandroba is demonstrating qualitys I would expect from a town sandroba. This might be because he is genuinely busy or just bloody arrogant or scum. Either was right now I want to hear from him, there is time. Chronicler I didn't like his initial plan in the terms of that I didn't agree with it. On the other hand "IF" he is town I don't feel the plan was beneficial for the mafiateam either so from that perspective I can see what he was going for. A lot of people make up their own plans because they like the sense of leadership. I don't think his candidacy plan is alignment revealing. I especially liked this post (clicky) from him, even more so in hindsight of syllos sucess. I am slightly leaning town on him. @risk.nuke That's analysis after the fact. At this time, there was no reliable way for us to know if syllo was town or not. Speaking for myself, I've been deciding this after a careful analysis of his posts and I've decided that I should take the risk of voting him. I'm talking about a risk here because he didn't want to reveal his party beforehand, which is something I liked. And that's something TheChronicler shouldn't have liked, given his campaign platform. TheChronicler looked very afraid to vote a scum as a party leader and his plan was all about getting "information". Hence, his vote on syllo doesn't make any sense from a town TheChronicler perspective. In fact, the whole story of a town TheChronicler which wanted to be elected on a bad idea doesn't make sense. Hence, scum. Further thoughts ? By the way, your vote on sandroba is useless... | ||
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On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote: Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now... Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo I agree with that, you didn't say that people should chose town reads. You said they should chose people on which they have "certain reads on"... Care to expand on that ? | ||
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On November 24 2012 04:56 Acrofales wrote: Assuming you're town, of course... One thing I am not liking about this whole ordeal is that you are winging a lot about it, rather than hunt scum. Someone pointed out that this should put a burr under your ass to scumhunt fast and get a clear lynch candidate. Now imho we have a clear lynch candidate, but you have posted 0 reads today. It is making me very uneasy, but I don't see a scum motivation for being apathetic in this situation either. You woke up, said you'd catch up and since then your contribution has been a QQ that Syllo is not posting scumreads. Post your own scumreads ffs. @kita I second Acro post. Your attitude is way too passive for someone whose integrity is at stake. | ||
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On November 24 2012 05:20 risk.nuke wrote: We may not know for sure syllos alignment but as long as occams razor says syllo is town then that speaks in chronicles favor. If my vote on sandroba is useless, is that why you're so attracted to it? Birds of a feather flock. I would like you to sheep less and give your own reasoning for your vote on sandroba. Do you really think he could be scum and why ? And don't tell me syllo said this, syllo said that... Do you expect syllo to solve the game for you ? What if he is scum ? I don't like you having your vote on sandroba for a "pressure vote" when this pressure has already failed. Sandroba has acknowledged the wagon and has just said he was going to lurk some more. Right now, your vote is just a policy vote and you are not shining for your activity neither. Or you could give more reasoning for your vote. Do you see my point now ? Give us your own thoughts for a change | ||
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