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On November 23 2012 09:51 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog.
It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) Having to get two mafia elected onto a team of four to cause a failure hardly seems fair from a balance perspective considering the probable demographic that's being worked with (ie 3x as many town on average).
agree. As an example in resistance games the team size increases with each mission and it was:
With a 3 man team 1 mafia inside the team is enough to fail the mission
With a 4 man team 1 mafia inside the team is enough to fail the mission
With a 5 man team 2 mafias inside the team is enough to fail the mission
With a 6 man team 2 mafias inside the team is enough to fail the mission. (not actually a quote, just for formatting purposes)
for resistance-1 if I remember correctly. I was mafia in resistance 1 so I'm actually fairly certain and don't feel like doublechecking...
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On November 23 2012 10:08 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? I'm talking about you trying to get votes on marv when sand is trending. I wouldn't even mind if you had done it with some reasoning.
wat
I think I made it fairly clear that I want to lynch Sandroba today with that post. If anything I'm softdefending Marv by saying I'd rather lynch Sandro today lol. but that'd be incredibly far fatched.
I'd say I made it fairly clear that I'd like to lynch the both of them if we had a double lynch available.
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On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray.
The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie.
I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever.
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On November 23 2012 10:19 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:14 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:08 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? I'm talking about you trying to get votes on marv when sand is trending. I wouldn't even mind if you had done it with some reasoning. wat I think I made it fairly clear that I want to lynch Sandroba today with that post. If anything I'm softdefending Marv by saying I'd rather lynch Sandro today lol. but that'd be incredibly far fatched. I'd say I made it fairly clear that I'd like to lynch the both of them if we had a double lynch available. No. To me it looks like you're trying to have a back door for yourself in case a marv push were to appear. You could point to that post and go, "See!" People will decide for themselves, but for ME it's sketchy as hell.
In that case I could also go to the countless amount of posts I did yesterday telling people that Marv is probably the least person I'd ever vote because I consider him to be mafia and that I consider one of Sandro&Syllo to be mafia, thinking Syllo is town.
But yeah I want them both dead. If a Marv lynch is going to appear I'll vote for that as well, I just think a Sandroba lynch is the better move right now.
A softdefense would be telling people "Sandro is totally mafia but I'd rather lynch Marv". That's why I said I could understand it the otherway around but the way you said it just makes no sense.
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On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town.
As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now.
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On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments.
thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value.
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On November 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. Did YOU give an opinion on if I was claiming scum in the thread or not? I don't remember you doing so.
well I would have if I had considered it to be a mafiaclaim. I don't talk about townreads...
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On November 23 2012 11:06 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. Can you qualify this jab at marv using marv's filter?
sure thing:
On November 23 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote:
Interesting that syllogism took Keirathi, by the way.
On November 23 2012 09:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:10 Keirathi wrote:
@marv: why are you surprised that he took me? you weren't on my list of townreads, the other 2 were
He made it very clear that he confusion wasn't based on the fact that Keirathi told people he is going to make missions more likely to fail and said that Keirathi wasn't on his townlist just 2 hours ago.
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On November 23 2012 11:07 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 11:04 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:
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How is that a soft defense?
I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all.
I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch.
What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. Did YOU give an opinion on if I was claiming scum in the thread or not? I don't remember you doing so. well I would have if I had considered it to be a mafiaclaim. I don't talk about townreads... So, you had a scum read on me, then i claimed something weird in the thread and that moved me to a town read?
No, you said something I considered to be a weak mafiatreat early in the game. I mentioned it telling people you're scum trying to get people talking about stuff like that rather than having people talk about the set-up or townreads. Like I explained (go check my filter, I don't feel like searching that post because it's REALLY long time ago).
You then proceeded to keep on playing agressive unlike the vast majority of people which made me go back to null-read (again, the first one was an ever so slight read I exaggerated on purpose, nothing I'd consider a read at all in general), maybe slightly leaning town.
You then proceeded to either straight up claim third-party, mafia or incredibly concerned townie.
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On November 23 2012 11:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 11:13 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 11:07 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 11:04 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:
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The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie.
I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. Did YOU give an opinion on if I was claiming scum in the thread or not? I don't remember you doing so. well I would have if I had considered it to be a mafiaclaim. I don't talk about townreads... So, you had a scum read on me, then i claimed something weird in the thread and that moved me to a town read? No, you said something I considered to be a weak mafiatreat early in the game. I mentioned it telling people you're scum trying to get people talking about stuff like that rather than having people talk about the set-up or townreads. Like I explained (go check my filter, I don't feel like searching that post because it's REALLY long time ago). You then proceeded to keep on playing agressive unlike the vast majority of people which made me go back to null-read (again, the first one was an ever so slight read I exaggerated on purpose, nothing I'd consider a read at all in general), maybe slightly leaning town. You then proceeded to either straight up claim third-party, mafia or incredibly concerned townie. which?
On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value.
go ahead and guess what I considered to be a likely explanation and what I considered to be an unlikely explanation out of those 3.
Again, the question is: Did he willingly claim mafia or is he just really concerned?
Why in the world should someone post something like that as a mafia or third party... unless maybe he's the GF or has GF-like abilities as either mafia or third party and wants to draw DT's but come on... that's just way to complicated. The best explanation simply was him being concerned and not claiming mafia on purpose.
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On November 23 2012 11:32 Keirathi wrote:
You know, I'm really surprised that no one ever asked me WHY I claimed that I had a low success modifier :o
Yes, it was an inadvertent slip, talking about something a "VT" wouldn't have knowledge of. Just weird that no one even really questioned me about it.
Pretty sure people asked you o.O
Pretty sure either you or someone else said it's probably because of the name of your role as you kept saying you don't know the exact number.
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Could someone explain what dieno being frog has to do with his alignment?
Is that a likely townrole because of the name or why is everyone mentioning that oO
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On November 23 2012 12:09 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
I wonder what happened (or perhaps, didn't happen) because we succeeded the mission.
At the very least this makes syllo and dieno relatively close to confirmed town, right? Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog.
It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) @ClarityI don't think that we can say that syllo is a confirmed town yet. Let's imagine that scum syllo knows that he has a low negative modifier factor for the events. What is preventing him from looking town enough to get elected and then pick up 3 towns in his party. It should be easy enough for scum syllo not to bring any 3P along  In this way, he can get a lot of town credit ^^
of that'd be the case mafia Syllo would not have picked Keirathi who claimed to have a low hidden value.
If that'd be the case mafia Syllo would have tried to pick either average looking guys or people he considers to have a high value (for whatever reason), but sure as hell he would have dodged Keirathi do stay concealer.
He didn't.
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EBWOP within quote... it's late I'm going to bed now
On November 23 2012 12:11 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 12:09 Djodref wrote:On November 23 2012 09:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
I wonder what happened (or perhaps, didn't happen) because we succeeded the mission.
At the very least this makes syllo and dieno relatively close to confirmed town, right? On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog.
It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) @ClarityI don't think that we can say that syllo is a confirmed town yet. Let's imagine that scum syllo knows that he has a low negative modifier factor for the events. What is preventing him from looking town enough to get elected and then pick up 3 towns in his party. It should be easy enough for scum syllo not to bring any 3P along In this way, he can get a lot of town credit ^^ if that'd be the case mafia Syllo would not have picked Keirathi who claimed to have a low hidden value. If that'd be the case mafia Syllo would have tried to pick either average looking guys or people he considers to have a high value (for whatever reason), but sure as hell he would have dodged Keirathi do stay concealed. He didn't.
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On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded.
nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1.
Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked.
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On November 24 2012 03:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:55 Toadesstern wrote:On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded. nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1. Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked. Why are you discarding Kita and GK in that case?
because neither of them were a serious the first 30hours.
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On November 24 2012 04:10 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 24 2012 03:57 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 03:55 Toadesstern wrote:On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded. nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1. Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked. Why are you discarding Kita and GK in that case? because neither of them were a serious the first 30hours. That is patently false. GK made himself candidate before Syllo did. Insofar as I recall Kita did too, or at worst just afterwards. While completely and utterly ignored by the thread, they did put forward a plan and voiced their intention to become leader. Them not gathering momentum doesn't seem to be a good criteria at all. Sandroba and Syllogism will always gather votes simply by being who they are.
The point I made is that until the 30hour mark I had more votes than both of them and I only had 2 votes on me...
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On November 24 2012 11:01 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 10:29 Dienosore wrote:
Oh and also some of the lines in the second map are pencil, some are pen. Pencil indicates that they are voting to hang that person. I'll take this opportunity to place my vote on sandroba. Where is toad... I would have really liked seeing his opinion on Sandro before voting. I really only see Sandro as scum if toad is scum, too.
sry it's firday (was) and as usually I'm taking the train back to my parents place.. that takes a lot of time and I haven't read a thing because I didn't really want to after that long of a trip, so I played some dota from 9pm my time or something like that... sry I guess, but that's how it is with me every game I'm playing.
About the question:
I think I made my point on Sandro (and Marv) very clear. You even quoted me when I did that. What do you want me to say more about it?
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On November 24 2012 11:18 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 11:09 Toadesstern wrote:On November 24 2012 11:01 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 10:29 Dienosore wrote:
Oh and also some of the lines in the second map are pencil, some are pen. Pencil indicates that they are voting to hang that person. I'll take this opportunity to place my vote on sandroba. Where is toad... I would have really liked seeing his opinion on Sandro before voting. I really only see Sandro as scum if toad is scum, too. sry it's firday (was) and as usually I'm taking the train back to my parents place.. that takes a lot of time and I haven't read a thing because I didn't really want to after that long of a trip, so I played some dota from 9pm my time or something like that... sry I guess, but that's how it is with me every game I'm playing. About the question: I think I made my point on Sandro (and Marv) very clear. You even quoted me when I did that. What do you want me to say more about it? Lol, actively lurking much?
well yeah, as mentioned I had a long day, with a long trip and I wanted to relax today. I'm checking in here every 2 hours or so but I'm not really reading so no I don't feel like posting right now. No need to make a [i]lol actively lurking much?[i] when I "admitted" it myself. But again, it's like that in every game on every friday, so get used to it. Going to sleep now, see you tomorrow :p
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Am back and oh god I've got 40 pages to read.
Technically speaking nothing has changed for me so far becautse I'm not done reading, so I'm still the most concerned about marv and Sandro. They both feel off. I'd say Marv a bit more than Sandro but again, I'm still assuming there's got to be a vet who was running for, or at least able to run for leader d1 balancewise.
On top of that Syllo seems to be pretty sure about his read when there's no reason to doubt him right now.
So yeah I'd go for Sandro today.
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