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Oats is trying to figure shit out and has shown some scumhunting effort. He reacts to everything going on in the thread, lately Kush "shooting" marv and looks genuine. Along with GK and Clarity, he is among my strongest tow reads. Regarding sandro, he came out with a good idea showing that he has town interests in mind for his campaign which he announced directly. I have a slight town read on him because I have never played with him when he was mafia but I know his town play from our Looney game, and it really looks and also feels like it. I'm satisfied with GK party and my vote stays on him. I'm going to promote his campaign from now on. | ||
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On November 22 2012 13:51 kushm4sta wrote: ^this made me lol. I feel really sick. Like really sick, My symptoms include sore throat, constant shivers, and a fever. What I most regret is I made this really sick breadcrumb saying I was Cyrus and now I won't get to use it. ##Nirvana Strike: Marvellosity Why is nobody commenting on this ^^^^^^ ? | ||
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I'm really eager to see the flip. | ||
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On November 22 2012 16:45 syllogism wrote: This is absolutely true, although we don't know whether 1 mafia is enough for an event to fail. Balance wise I think it makes sense for that to be case, unless the party consists of townies with a high hidden factor numbers. I'm not going to reveal who I am going to pick. I may do that after the day post if that is necessary; that is to say, if the event fails. I like your logic regarding this point. I would like to point out that the party is going to be revealed automatically in the next day post by the host. | ||
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On November 22 2012 18:52 phagga wrote: @Goodkarma If you trust Sandro so much, why do you not vote him? If GK thinks Sandro is so townie that you includes him in your team, why should I vote you instead of Sandro? What do you say to the following: You are scum, you include a town sandro to make his team more townie, hoping to catch more votes like that. @ Phagga Does it look like Oats and me are scum ? | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:36 TheChronicler wrote: I come back to a mod kill. So let me get this straight, kush used his ability knowing the ability it would kill himself? No, I think kush was just being stupid and messed % with current hit points... | ||
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I'm going to vote for syllo because I think he is town. Here are the things in his behavior which led me to think he is town
On a side note, I find the Kush incident regrettable. I think we should expect more "real-time" actions to be done during this game, hidden or not. ##Unvote ##Vote: syllo | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:58 Dienosore wrote: If CaveJohnson is telling the truth (and it feels like he is), then I'm going to have to reevaluate my relationship map. He was catching a lot of flak from a lot of people, so now I'm going to reverse the pipes and see what comes up. It's no surprise he doesn't like marv, but I didn't predict him having any opinion on Djo. My only link between Cave and Djo was a stretch that included a pitstop through possible scum Acro and Kitaman. @ Dienosore You have a scumread on me but you are not giving your proper reasoning for this read. I cannot allow this because I'm town and I would like to be able to really discuss your read on me with so I can prove you that you are wrong. Please tell me what you find in my behavior that convinces you that I am mafia. | ||
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Clarity has just made a case against Sandroba + Show Spoiler [Clarity case against Sandro] + On November 23 2012 03:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Sandroba. Why are people voting for this guy? Let us work our way backwards in his filter, starting from this post, where he advocates against electing Kita because Kita has not provided his reads or opinions on subjects being discussed. The first mention of any kind of read he has (remember, we're working backwards), it's on me, he found me scum but now he doesn't know. Null. Why did he used to find me scum? Not sure, the only other mention of me is the reason he had to make the above post, that mention being this: So we never got to know why I was scum to him, but that's okay because he's no longer sure, right? I don't think so. To me this seems like jumping on the (at the time) easy "lynch" I'd make. But then backing off because it was hard to pin me on something. Next up, we have this: I'm fairly certain he's town, is his entire read. Only when asked does he explain why. This boils down to a meta read. If you take away the meta, all that is left is him saying: "He said he'd be lazy but he isn't" Meta reads aren't always bad, of course, but it should never be the crux of your argument unless someone is WAY off their town meta. "I don't know, you're null. Here's a list of slight townreads with no explanation." Moving further back. His very first strong read, yet somehow it is much earlier in the thread than the stuff covered above. This post is referring to Dieno. There's not much reasoning to it, the only being that scum wouldn't enter into the game like that. I think this is fair and not alignment indicative, but since we're pointing out all the reads I think it's only fair to point out his only strong read thus far. This is also where the reads end, because we are in the early earlygame at this point. There is some setup speculation, which makes sense given we're in a heavily themed game. My point to all of this, is this: Sand has not had any strong reads, and the reads he has had have had bad or no reasoning. He's is currently trying to get elected, and has had some backing. Why are people not demanding stronger reads from him? Especially when he is demanding them from others? Why is sand not working harder at making reads, when he is running for the election? Wanting to get elected is not alignment indicative. His reads or logic isn't alignment indicative. Why does he not look/try to look townie when he is running for the election? In my eyes, this makes him badly played scum or a third party role because a townie who is running for election would be trying harder to get elected, or at the very least to get strong reads out there. Here is what I immediately think
I also thought at the possibility that Clarity and Sandro could be both in the scumteam, but I don't find this likely because I don't have a scumread on any of them yet. This, added to the fact that Clarity as behaved as its town self, makes me think that he is town. The town motivation is clear here, he has to cast suspicion upon the player who he thinks is scum and might win the election. Feedback is welcomed  | ||
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On November 23 2012 03:20 Dienosore wrote: Well, how about this... For starters, I find the general stuffyness and use of proper language relative to your earlier posts as an indication of something. What this something is, I do not know for sure. But then when I look at your overall message, it is about clearing your name. This is where I connect the dots and assume you have something to hide about your claim on being towny. What else is there to hide other than being scum or third party. Also, it looks like you edited this post halfway through, "really discuss your read on me with so I" which sets off another flag that you have more you want to say but are trying to control yourself. I mean, I guess there is a small chance you are telling the truth and I'm just reading too deep into one post... but I've been getting these reads off of you since the game started and they are starting to stack up. @ Dienosore I don't know your nationality nor your mother tongue but the "indication of something" you are talking about should be that I'm French and that English is not my native language. Moreover, I tend to forget words in my sentences and to show a tendency to dyslexia when I'm tired, which is usually the case because I have to play at night to actually interact with people. For example, in the latest case you are talking of, I wanted to say "really discuss your read on me with you". By the way, I want you to show what in my behavior makes you think that I am mafia. It might look like I'm trying to control myself because I want to be clear and I have to put some effort into it because of the language barrier and the different thinking process I have being French and from another culture bla bla bla... | ||
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I like your ticket but I do like syllo approach better. I came up with a similar line of reasoning when I proposed myself as a party leader earlier and I believe that it is going to disturb the mafia more than the town. The fact that this idea is going to bring in less votes in his favor while proposing himself as a party leader might be ambivalent at first sight but I see this a town trait. A mafia player running for election main goal is to be elected and get town credit. He can propose to bring along three consensual players and get easily elected on his ticket. He might even choose only town player to "clean" himself after a successful event. A town player running for election main goal is for the event to success. With syllo's plan, we can get information after the resolution of the event and hide relevant information to the mafia today. I think syllo strategy is sound. On a side note, I didn't have to much difficulties to find town reads today which I'm confident in. It's syllo, Clarity, GK and Oats. I think that Dieno is town as well. I have some other players which I'm leaning town on but I'm not so confident. | ||
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On November 23 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote: This is so fucking retarded. Like you've got to be kidding me. It's amazing that players are thinking like this and are a-ok with Syllo's "system" in complete blind faith. This "voting" isn't just about determining Syllo's allignment - it's about seeing who votes for who. This gives a bunch of players to herp-derp and vote syllo (just like you're doing) with zero rationale. We want to be able to draw lines between votes and reads. I want to know who thinks who is town, and the parties that players are supporting. THAT"s the information we value here! Because if we fail this mission, we're not going to know jack shit. Syllo explaining his choices after the fact is completely worthless, and this gives a perfect veil for mafia to hide under without making any reads. @ Hapa I disagree with you. This is just a matter of time. In 6 hours or so, we are going to know who were the party members and if the event has failed or not. Syllo giving explanations before and after is just going to help us to assess our read on syllo. | ||
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On November 23 2012 04:14 Hapahauli wrote: @ Syllo Give us your team. It appears you've finalized things and you withholding it has absolutely no pro-town purpose at this point. You're the vote-leader as it stands, and there's no reason why your reads shouldn't be out there. He announced his approach during his campaign. It means that the players voting for him are fine with it. I wouldn't appreciate if he was revealing his ticket now because his plan was part of the reason why I voted for him. You should better run your own campaign imho  | ||
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On November 23 2012 04:19 Hapahauli wrote: No goddamnit NO. NONONONONONON. These votes aren't about determining Syllo's allignment. They're about determining the other players! Those who vote and do not vote for syllo. In a normal mafia game, we would make reads on D2 and beyond with information of where people stand on player allignments. We would know who thought who was town/scum/etc. We don't get any of this in this system! A bunch of people are going "I think syllo is town, and I'll vote for him." This is stupid and rediculous compared to the alternative, where players will have to think entire teams of players are town rather than syllo. I mean holy shit, do you really want to vote/trust a guy who's saying things like this? I was not talking only about syllo alignment. Tomorrow, we are going to know the tickect and the party members and if the event have succeeded or not. We can process all the info tomorrow. Regarding his confidence in his read, I have no problem with that. Only scum and DarthPunk are 100% sure of their reads | ||
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On November 23 2012 04:24 Hapahauli wrote: We're voting a player who is not satisfied with his reads and we're entirely comfortable in resigning our fate to that with no explanation. Holy christ. @ Hapa Nothing prevents you from voting someone else I'm sure that the mafia would like to know right now who are going to be the members of the party to write their night actions. Of course, they would totally fuck us if syllo was scum, but I don't believe so. The only information we loose is that people are not discussing the players on syllo ticket because we don't know it. Everything else can be discussed tomorrow. By the way, nothing prevents anybody from posting their own hypothetical ticket ^^ | ||
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Could anyone not voting for syllo yesterday and not in the party could tell us if he took similar amount of damage ? I'm guessing that mafia had activated a power to target all syllo voters. I might be wrong... What about applying the Lynch a Lurker policy for today ? On a side note, I don't think that he is scum so far and I don't want a wagon to form until he comes back to the thread and provides some explanations and reads and all... He did disappear like this during our Looney game and he was town. ##Vote: BioSC | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Djo what do you think about sandro being scum?. The reason why I do not want to lynch all lurkers for today at least is because there are better targets that is more than a coinflip. If this is a pressure vote, by all means though :/ @Oats I think you should read our Looney game first. Day 1 was quite long but you can just look sandroba's filter. He almost got mislynched D1 because he was inactive and not giving explanations enough for his reads. In fact, everyone should read his filter in Looney before voting him. Please tell me what you think after this. I don't think he is scum but I need more from him. I would not lynch him because I don't see what could be mafia motivated in his behavior, except for his inactivity. And the main goal for my vote on BioSC is to put some pressure on him but also on all the lurkers | ||
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On November 23 2012 11:48 TheChronicler wrote: I voted syl and didn't take damage. Ok thanks, my hypothesis was wrong then. | ||
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Is there anyone still doubting his claim ? I would go as far as to say that he is town, and not 3P. | ||
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