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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 16:26 GMT
#4845
Also all the party speculation: why not pick the exact same party of D1? It's a confirmed success.
##Lynch: Toadesstern
##Party Leader: Keirathi
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 16:29 GMT
#4846
Mementoss' secrecy makes me worried about a scum ability to switch the targets of the two votes. However, that seems so overpowered that it's unlikely. Pardoner seems an option. However, I don't see much consensus in the thread over who is second on the lynch list.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 16:43 GMT
#4859
On November 30 2012 01:34 syllogism wrote:
Acro: did you ask mementoss that as well? He hasn't replied to my inquiry yet.

I asked him if posts said in blue can be relied to be true and then elaborate as to why I would like to know.

I did not. His stating in large bold letters to not ask him why there are two votes at the same time made me think it would be pointless.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 16:55 GMT
#4864
@risk: you're here and all you're doing is bitchfighting with syllo. It's pointless. Syllo has posted his thoughts about what your reasons are. They sound fake made-up bullshit reasons to me, but I'm getting them filtered through Syllo. How about YOU tell us your reasons for inviting all those players.

Why GK, Keirathi, Syllo and Dieno. Why that order? What is it you're trying to accomplish in your QT? Why claim you can damage people in there and then only invite town reads?

And while you're answering questions, answer the ones I have now posted twice already.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 16:56 GMT
#4865
While we're at it, how about you give your interpretation of why Gato would be inside a tent with a crystal ball...
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 17:01 GMT
#4869
On November 30 2012 01:58 GreYMisT wrote:
It was brought to my attention that once again I am forgetful


Today You also have the pleasure of voting for tomorrows party leader. There will be a special event tomorrow with 2 stages of in thread voting, thus the party leader and his party must be selected today!

Is this real-life tomorrow or ingame tomorrow? The countdown seems to be ending tonight, which is the middle of the cycle... unless the cycle is suddenly cut short, of course. That would also give a reason for the countdown: to give us ample warning that there is something big set to happen and we don't know exactly when.

Best to get your votes in sooner rather than later, just in case.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 17:15 GMT
#4882
On November 30 2012 02:02 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 02:00 Promethelax wrote:
On November 30 2012 01:58 GreYMisT wrote:
It was brought to my attention that once again I am forgetful


Today You also have the pleasure of voting for tomorrows party leader. There will be a special event tomorrow with 2 stages of in thread voting, thus the party leader and his party must be selected today!


this is the voting we're already doing. Right?


Mementoss mentioned about 2 pages back. I am just clarifying further.

You are voting for both a lynch as well as a party leader for tomorrow's event.

What happens if the elected party leader is killed before the event?

Seems to me we probably need a backup. I suggest Keirathi as first choice (with preferred group the D1 party) and Clarity as second. Best to even include a 3rd (Syllo or Oats?) just to ensure Toad's single vote does not cause havoc.

Also, I won't be switching to GK until I've read his filter (or probably after); I have started a couple of times, but it is long and makes heavy use of run-on sentences like this one, which means that it is really not easy to read.

In any case, I think I prefer a risk.nuke lynch. He is being extremely uncooperative. Combine that with something that sounds like a bogus roleclaim and a really dodgy policy for his masonQT selection. A tent with a crystal ball makes me think of the prophet. Not sure he has a tent, but he is a fortune teller.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 17:17 GMT
#4883
On November 30 2012 02:14 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 02:04 syllogism wrote:
On November 30 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 30 2012 01:48 syllogism wrote:
On November 30 2012 01:42 risk.nuke wrote:
Syllogism's thought process. This role isn't a mafia role. And if this was a mafia role this is a very suboptimal way to play. But there is a crystal ball in the tent flavor so this is probably a huge ploy where mafia scum buddies goodkarma and risknuke are trying to sell themselves of as town.

And I didn't know if inviting someone counted as a roleblockable action. But hey thanks for outing my name... there probably will be no consequences.

It's an incredibly suboptimal way regardless of alignment and some of the things that were said by you were just mindboggling. It doesn't help that, of course, that I was suspicious of your play even before that so I'm interpreting everything through that prism. What kind of consequences do you expect there to be for outing a name of a minor character? You didn't even think it was important to keep it secret as you voluntarily divulged the name before anyone even had posted in the QT. We've had two major characters claim their names and neither of them has even been roleblocked yet.

I don't know this is a heavily themed greymist game. For all we know there is third party out there who's objective is to kill me or someone else and now knows it's not me. Then there is the general always a downside to nameclaiming to prevent people from trying to mass-claim. For all we know at any point in the game the mafia can wipe out everyone who's name they know. So now it's your turn. Please, tell me the benefits of nameclaim?

You ignored half of the post but that's okay, I will answer anyway.

The name was required because it is suspicious when combined with the flavor provided in the QT. It could be completely meaningless, but it's still potentially evidence.

I asked grey about it. It was ONLY flavor.

As for the other reason. I revealed MY name in the qt because unless mafia have some sort of spy ability I would have full control of who could see it. YOU outed MY name to the THREAD without even asking my opinion about it.

You've did nothing constructive when you joined the qt. You could had tried to interrogate me about reads if you believed I was mafia but you were to bloody lazy and got pissed when I called you a little girl bitch so you decided to out everything for no gain.



If this is you being a contributing, constructive town member, you're doing it wrong.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 17:19 GMT
#4889
On November 30 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Acro wants to kill me over confirmed scum. I see, you claimed to be pro-town third party right?

Dafuq? I want to lynch toad. In the case toad is pardoned, I prefer you get killed over GK at the moment. I prefer EITHER of you over Syllo, who would currently be set for lynching if Toad is pardoned and the pardoner works the way people seem to think it does. Learn2read. For the umpteenbillionth time.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 17:29 GMT
#4896
On November 30 2012 02:20 risk.nuke wrote:
Learn to write properly.

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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 17:30 GMT
#4900
On November 30 2012 02:28 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 02:19 Acrofales wrote:
On November 30 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Acro wants to kill me over confirmed scum. I see, you claimed to be pro-town third party right?

Dafuq? I want to lynch toad. In the case toad is pardoned, I prefer you get killed over GK at the moment. I prefer EITHER of you over Syllo, who would currently be set for lynching if Toad is pardoned and the pardoner works the way people seem to think it does. Learn2read. For the umpteenbillionth time.

pardoner doesn't work that way. If someone gets pardoned there will be a no-lynch.

Sincerly, your friendly neighbourhoud-Toad

You're right of course. We should take the confirmed scum's word for it. How could we be so stupid to think that it might work otherwise and take some small precautions?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 17:41 GMT
#4916
Votecount, because we know Greymist won't do it:
Lynch:

Toad: Clarity, Oats, H1, Djodreff, Adam, phagga, Prom, Acro, Syllo, VE
Syllo: Toad
GK: Prom, phagga


Party:

Clarity: Clarity, Oats, H1, Djodreff, Adam, phagga, Prom, Syllo
Keirathi: Acro, phagga
Toad: Toad
Syllo: VE



Set to be lynched: Toad
Set to be leader: Clarity

No vote: Kita, Drazerk, Hapa, Zbo, iamp, chronicler, SnB, GK, Dino, keirathi, risk
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 17:46 GMT
#4924
On November 30 2012 02:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think taking you on the party would be the dumbest idea in the world seeing as you claimed you had 24 hp.
Even that might be false however since I believe Prom(?) claimed he dealt 50 damage to you and you lived.

There is definitely merit in discussing the rollback but it's hard to believe the things you say after your hp claim is now in question.

Why you confuse the smurfs? Drazerk was the one claiming 24 HP. I believe he was lying and trying to serve as lightning rod for scum kills.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 17:47 GMT
#4926
On November 30 2012 02:46 Promethelax wrote:
Risen: why did you decide to smurf this game? What were you hoping to gain by that?

Syllo: can you please give us some of the posts from the QT which you feel are damning of Risk.

I had suspicions it was Risen from his behaviour. Given his meta, I can see the reason for him wanting to smurf. Does it matter? Will it give you a clue about his alignment? If not: postgame.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 17:53 GMT
#4934
Seems easy enough: don't take Dieno, don't take Keirathi. Syllo, Oats, Clarity and Chronicler seems like a pretty good party. Chronicler gets to use his 1-shot ability and if one of the members gets killed, that still leaves 3 townie players who have not mentioned any low HSM shenanigans.

Syllo, you agree? Get your party PM ready, and don't you dare herpaderp it up like a certain extinct reptile.

##unvote
##Party Leader Syllo
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 18:10 GMT
#4954
On November 30 2012 02:58 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 02:53 Acrofales wrote:
Seems easy enough: don't take Dieno, don't take Keirathi. Syllo, Oats, Clarity and Chronicler seems like a pretty good party. Chronicler gets to use his 1-shot ability and if one of the members gets killed, that still leaves 3 townie players who have not mentioned any low HSM shenanigans.

Syllo, you agree? Get your party PM ready, and don't you dare herpaderp it up like a certain extinct reptile.

##unvote
##Party Leader Syllo

I'm fine with that, although I haven't actually read anything about TC's 1-shot yet.

Yeah, me either. But I believe he's town and he claims his 1-shot is awesome for town.

My reasoning came more from the other direction: I think it's safer to take 4 players who have no funky HSM and don't claim to be at low health. Taking Keirathi and Dino seems like a recipe for disaster, given that if scum shoots Dino, then you're left with 2 + a low success modifier. Could very well fail the event.

Scum might have enough KP to off Dino and someone else, making just Dino a risky choice as well. Scum probably has enough KP to off 1 person in the party (see what they did to Marv), making taking Keirathi alone a risky choice.

If losing even one member of the party leads to a failure, then we're royally fucked in any case, so it doesn't matter what party you take. That makes me think 3 townie townies is probably enough to succeed.

That leaves taking a wild unknown. TC seems the logical choice. Add the claim of the 1-shot and it seems like a sweet deal.

However, it does blow through a 1-shot rollback, which could be used to heal Dieno for 450 (I think that's what he claimed) damage, or to save for a future calamity. TC: do you honestly think your 1-shot ability is worth the rollback?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 18:12 GMT
#4958
On November 30 2012 03:02 TheChronicler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 02:59 Promethelax wrote:
On November 30 2012 02:57 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 30 2012 02:46 Promethelax wrote:
Risen: why did you decide to smurf this game? What were you hoping to gain by that?

Syllo: can you please give us some of the posts from the QT which you feel are damning of Risk.

I've been trying to smurf for a while now. This is the third game I signed up for on chronicler? First one that started :/


No, it is the second one you have signed up for with this alias, believe me, I read all of your posts and checked time stamps with your main; just this and LVIII. Any real reason you wanted to smurf? Or did you just want to get away from being Risen?

I didn't sign up for cold war? And I just didn't want to be risen anymore. Earlier this game someone said there was no way i was risen and I was like thank god.

Yeah, I remember that. I was like "strange, I think he might very well be Risen". I do agree that your general play has improved a lot. At the very least we are not (yet) lynching the claimed DT this game
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 18:13 GMT
#4959
On November 30 2012 03:10 Keirathi wrote:
Does no one else find it strange that Acro voted me for party leader an hour and a half ago, then 15 minutes ago decided that I shouldn't even be in the party?

That's a huge flip-flop with zero reasoning :o

Dude, do you read the thread?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 18:32 GMT
#4967
On November 30 2012 03:21 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 03:13 Acrofales wrote:
On November 30 2012 03:10 Keirathi wrote:
Does no one else find it strange that Acro voted me for party leader an hour and a half ago, then 15 minutes ago decided that I shouldn't even be in the party?

That's a huge flip-flop with zero reasoning :o

Dude, do you read the thread?

Of course I do. And I'm looking at your filter right now. Between the time that you voted me, and the time that you excluded me, you didn't talk any about this HP or HSM stuff. Then bam, just changed your mind. And called the HSM stuff "shenanigans" without any reasoning whatsoever.

Anyways, I find it hard to believe that an all townie team can lose an event under any situation, no matter how many people are still alive. That kind of system just doesn't make sense. But I guess it could be a possibility.

1. The longer explanation is what was in my head when I made my post putting Syllo forward. Between my vote for you and my vote for Syllo, Greymist explained what happened if the party leader (and because of his answer, really any party member) was killed between the vote and the event. It made me realize I hadn't thought things through: we have a delay this time, allowing scum to act between election and event.

2. Why do you think an all-townie event will always succeed? Don't you think the number of participants will be important too?

Random setup speculation incoming (freely interpreted from risk.nuke's post on the same): lets say we need 3 HSM points to win an event. Normal townies give 1 point each. Low HSM townies give 0.5. 3P gives 0. Scum gives -1.

Party with 4 townies: 4 points, yippee, success.
Party with 3 regular townies and a low HSM townie: 3.5 points, success.
Party with 3 townies and a 3P: 3 points, phew, success by the skin of our teeth.
Party with 3 townies and a scum: 2 points, DOOM
Party with 2 regular townies, a low HSM townie and a 3P: 2.5 points, DOOM

If someone gets shot, then his HSM no longer counts towards the total, bringing it nearer to DOOM.

Now we have no way of confirming the event works like this without failing more events, which seems like a pretty damned stupid idea, so it is mere speculation.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 29 2012 18:53 GMT
#4976
No wonder this thread is 250 pages long. People have to say stuff 15 times before people read it (or use their brain).
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