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On November 21 2012 18:05 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 17:51 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 17:43 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 17:31 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 17:27 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 17:17 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote:
This Keirathi guy is mafia.
Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far.
There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on.
Really? I'm scum because the people I would be most willing to vote as leader are the people I'm most familiar with? Don't be ridiculous. no you're scum for pointing that out. That's a important difference. No, you're being dumb. I've played lots of games with marv, iamperfection, S&B, risk.nuke, Z-BosoN, etc. I 100% trust my ability to read them better than I trust my ability to read you or syllo or sandro, whom I've never played with. When it comes down to time for me to vote, I'm going to think "Ok, sandro might be town, and he's getting a lot of votes. But, I'm much more sure that marv is town because I'm way more familiar with how he plays. It makes sense for me to vote him." Plain and simple. If that makes me scum, then tough titties. And yet you still haven't understood what I'm saying. I'm not saying your reasoning is stupid. If you feel that way fine although I'd hope that you have more than just one guy you feel comfortable to read... I mean you just mentioned a bunch of people, yet you only mentioned Marv earlier, didn't you? The issue is that you get in here telling us about that. You're right, I guess I don't understand. How is explaining how I plan to use my vote scummy? As far as mostly talking about reading marv (at one point, I did mention that there were other people I was comfortable reading if I don't feel like marv should be elected party leader), its because even though I feel like I have a grasp on how to read them, I don't think they'll be likely party leader candidates. No matter how strong of a town read I have on, say, iamperfection, its just pretty damn unlikely that he gets elected as party leader day 1 when there are vets "running" for the position that most of the game is willing to sheep. The thing is that it gives us (read: everyone who's not you) nothing at all. Fine we got it but why are you telling us that you're planning to favor Marv? Are we supposed to talk about it? I highly doubt it. Then why did you tell us preemptively about it? It really looks like a cheap excuse to justify yourself and I'm having troubles figuring why you'd want to do that? That's why I said at best it's pointless, at worst it's a guy trying to contribute something while actually being pointless. Your early explanation sounds like a set-up for the next couple of hours of this cycle. Ah, okay I guess I understand what you're saying now, at least. People were discussing which vet they were going to vote for, so I said I would likely be voting for marv. Then someone asked "Why marv, isn't he going to be super-hard to read day 1?" Then I started going into the long reasons why. I didn't just come out and say it all; it was an answer to specific questions. Unless you just wanted me to ignore them, then :o Also: You gave two possibilities for my explanations: either useless, or trying to contribute while being useless. Notice neither one of those possibilities are "he's scum".
A guy trying to contribute something while being useless is a mafiatreat, that's why I mentioned you.
Scum are trying to look like they're doing something without actually doing something all the time.
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On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice.
No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants.
screw you. I am running as well.
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On November 22 2012 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 01:39 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice.
No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants. screw you. I am running as well. Yay you are back. What do you think about my case on Clarity?
I haven't really read a thing yet up to what I just quoted. That means I'm having something like 8 pages to read right now and I'm checking those out as quickly as possible to get a quick idea of what's going on and once I'm done with that I'll read it in normal speed 
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On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by.
I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason.
Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle.
I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo.
So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong.
So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job.
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On November 22 2012 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 01:39 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice.
No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants. screw you. I am running as well. Yay you are back. What do you think about my case on Clarity?
I don't think it's that much yet.
I really don't want to get into detail about that though.
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On November 22 2012 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:11 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 22 2012 01:39 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice.
No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants. screw you. I am running as well. Yay you are back. What do you think about my case on Clarity? I don't think it's that much yet. I really don't want to get into detail about that though. Because? Clarity is acting like you have said is a scum read, posting a lot but without content. Or did I read your earlier posts wrongly?
I found something I consider to be a towntreat though as mentioned I'd rather not explain that kind of stuff because if I do people will know what to say to make me think they're town...
Again another reason why we shouldn't talk about people's townreads and rather focus on peoples mafiareads.
And let's be frank here: I like to exaggerate early on as long as it's for a reason. What I said about Keirathi holds true and I think it's a bad sign but I purposely went overboard labeling him mafia early on over something that might as well be something else.
Most people are having troubles talking about "stuff" if there's no stuff available so the main purpose was to get people talking about mafiareads instead of talking about townreads because again, I think it's going to be really hard to get a grasp of what's going on if everyone's just able to make a weak post about why they think one out of 25 people might be town.
So basicly I agree with some of the things you mentioned but there's also stuff I interpret the other way around.
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On November 22 2012 02:53 Dienosore wrote:
I would want ME to be the leader, of course. I realize I'm not running with any history, so I understand how that puts me at a disadvantage if you are trying to play it safe. However, I believe not having any track record in this situation is actually better, due to my campaign platform:
All I want is the first leader position. If elected, I will open up the party selection process to everyone by making a poll and taking the top three with me (I know i said two earlier; was an honest mistake). I will also have a poll for what to do for our first action.
I believe this is the best way to go about things, seeing as we have NO IDEA what is going to actually happen at the end of the first cycle. Once we have seen how the game is played, I will step down and let someone else have a turn as leader.
I already adressed this. This kind of post is something that is supposed to look nice while not being nice at all.
We want to elect someone who's comfortable to make a decision himself and willing to take responsibility.
We don't want to vote someone who's dodging responsibility and opting to go with some kind of majority decreed team.
Now the bolded part is interessting. Why do you want to be the first leader? I take it it's not to improve our chances because frankly speaking you don't even feel comfortable to judge someone yourself, do you?
So if it's not to improve our chances, what's your reasoning behind running for this position?
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On November 22 2012 03:02 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:01 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 02:53 Dienosore wrote:
I would want ME to be the leader, of course. I realize I'm not running with any history, so I understand how that puts me at a disadvantage if you are trying to play it safe. However, I believe not having any track record in this situation is actually better, due to my campaign platform:
All I want is the first leader position. If elected, I will open up the party selection process to everyone by making a poll and taking the top three with me (I know i said two earlier; was an honest mistake). I will also have a poll for what to do for our first action.
I believe this is the best way to go about things, seeing as we have NO IDEA what is going to actually happen at the end of the first cycle. Once we have seen how the game is played, I will step down and let someone else have a turn as leader. I already adressed this. This kind of post is something that is supposed to look nice while not being nice at all. We want to elect someone who's comfortable to make a decision himself and willing to take responsibility. We don't want to vote someone who's dodging responsibility and opting to go with some kind of majority decreed team. Now the bolded part is interessting. Why do you want to be the first leader? I take it it's not to improve our chances because frankly speaking you don't even feel comfortable to judge someone yourself, do you? So if it's not to improve our chances, what's your reasoning behind running for this position? Do you really have to ask that question? There's a pretty obvious explanation (to me), and if you're not able to see it then it makes me doubt that you are town.
I've got a bunch of explanations. I want to hear why he wants to be leader from himself. I don't intend to give people possible explanations as to how they "should" answer when asking them to explain themselves...
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On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by.
I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro?
I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking.
However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads.
Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot.
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On November 22 2012 03:13 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by.
I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. If they're strong, motivated town players who can in turn read others correctly as town, I want them as party leader. Activity isn't the only indicator, and getting others to talk shouldn't require you to be leader.
Of course it's not the only indicator, far from it but I'm better in that regrad than Syllo or Sandro and I consider it to be important. I'm not going to say I'm a better scumhunter than those two because I'm not. I am definitely good but I have seen those two take out complete mafias teams by the end of d1.
I'm basicly getting in here telling you guys that I'm fine with posting a bunch and having people like Syllo, Sandro, Kita and Marv look at me all day long. I won't just go inactive, I will be posting. I'm not going to say I'm the most transparent guy around either because I love asking trick-questions to gauge reactions and to find out wether or not people are just reading or actively thinking themselves but I'll be here posting a bunch.
That's what I can offer to make sure you guys get the right idea about me right now.
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Hey S&B what's your take on how Marv's acting so far?
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On November 22 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (1): Kitaman27
Djodref (1): djodref
Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Toadesstern (1): Oatsmaster
Syllogism (4): Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler
Acrofales (1): Promethelax
Players who have yet to vote (12): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, goodkarma, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, phagga, Adam4167, sandroba, Toadesstern
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Does that mean you can actually vote for yourself? I figured that's not possible oO
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Awesome, if I can vote myself I'll vote myself.
##vote Toadesstern
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On November 22 2012 09:17 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 18:05 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 17:50 goodkarma wrote:Nice to play with you again Toadesstern  . There were a few things you mentioned I would like to briefly touch up on and then I'm really going to bed... On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote:This Keirathi guy is mafia. Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far. There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on. That being said I plan on becomming leader d1. Vote for me please :3I plan on sending people I trust to be town. Especially my townreads are pretty awesome and I have an easy time picking up townreads early on so I'd say this job is the right job for me. That being said I will not send people some kind of "majority" thinks I should send. I will send people I myself consider to be town and nothing else. That probably sounds stupid to those people who are new to this game but that's how these things are going. Don't listen to people telling you they will listen to some majority-decided group they will nominate if they get to be leader. Vote for someone who's willing and comfortable enough to make a decision on his own instead of trying to dodge the responsibility but wants to be leader for whatever reason nonetheless. I know it sounds awesome to have people telling you that your voice will be heard and everyone can hold hands and decide on the group together but that's just meaningless smooth-talk. You've got your vote. You vote for the leader, not more and not less. Everything else is in the hand of the guy in charge. That's how you influence this outcome and it's enough. More than that just makes it way to likely for people to be influenced. I will obviously only vote for someone I trust to be able to get good reads d1 himself in combination with a townread on said guy (duh). Having someone who's just going to roll a dice to determine who's going on the mission is not going to help us and let's face it, there's people who are at face value with rolling a dice, at least on d1. Vote me pretty please! What you're saying here seems perfectly reasonable to me. However, I still feel it's important that you provide your candidates you wish to bring to the party before people make a vote for you. We can't just vote for you because you're a vet that will perform well for us if you're town... On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by.
I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. This is a very interesting point. But keep in mind that since lynching at the very least isn't commonplace, it might be possible for scum to deliberately bus themselves even early to gain some town credit and not get hurt that badly. Like maybe they spend their scumhunting time repeatedly picking on hypothetical scumperson A for half the game until he finally gets lynched. They go out looking townie, and don't have to worry about getting lynched again for a very long time... I'm still not convinced that focusing on lynchings as the primary means for town victory is best in this setup. Also, while faking scumreads on town is the standard task for scum in normal games, I'm thinking that faking townreads on scum as scum is going to be their focus this game. It will be easier for them to "blend in" doing this perhaps, but it should still be possible to find them, especially when a particular event outcome goes poorly. I still see this as the inverse of a normal game, where townreads are the priority. Scumreads may follow based on an unexpected vote.outcome to some extent, but only insofar as knowing whose opinions can be most trusted.for selecting the next party leader. I'm going to adress the 2.5 major points shortly:Yes I'm going to give you an idea of who I'm considering. I don't know what it's going to be like and I can't promise wether I'll call my exact team early but I'll give reads. I will try and explain the reasoning of the reads and what you're supposed to look into is that reasoning and not the reads themselves. I don't want you to only look at the results of my reads, I want you to look at my and everyone elses train of thought. That's the interessting part. Yes scum can bus themselves but that will lead to mistakes due to confirmation bias. That's the reason it's hard for mafia to fake reads in general. They know they are right or they know that they're wrong so they're approaching the situation completly different. And again, that's what you want to look into. If someone calls someone mafia but isn't able to give reasoning as to why he thinks so or if you think his reasoning is bad your alarmclocks should be ringing. And lastly yes I agree, mafias will most likely try and blend in by pointing out easy to do reads. That is just another reason why we shouldn't let people skate by doing nothing but delivering some weak reads as to why someone is supposed to be town. After all you're going to be right in most cases even if you roll a dice all the time due to the nature of alignment distribution, right? Picking out mafias is harder and is the standard by what we should be judging people. To clarify my opinion of Toad, I wanted to address the bolded point above. It's wrong. Or rather, it's likely wrong in this particular game format. In this game, mafia's goal isn't simply to sit around and try not to look like the scummiest person in the thread. Mafia's win-con is probably heavily weighted to the success and failure of the missions that we run as town. They want to be elected onto parties, and as a result, their goal is to look as townie as possible rather than simply blend in. So when I see toad post something like this, and then talk about how he'll "be more active" and "will take responsibility" - those are talking points I'd expect a mafia would use. Long story short, don't vote Toad. Even if you see eye-to-eye with me, he's a hard guy to read anyway - there's no way we'll have significant hints toward his alignment on D1.
Long story short: I never said my activity is all I got to offer. I said I am very well a vet myself but said that that activity is the difference between people like Syllo/Sandro and myself when someone asked what's making me a good candidate.
Also I'm from Europe, I usually don't like these US-style campaigns other people do in games when there's a mayoral election because I think that's trying to influence people by smoothtalking them.
I'm not a better scumhunter than Sandro or Syllo, I'd consider my abilty to successfully identify townies early on as pretty sharp and what I've got is what I've got. I won't promise more than what I said unless it was meant as a joke (this game it wasn't).
I'll make it clear here: Yes your right, I'd say the same as mafia, however I'm offering what I can offer to make sure you guys got a good idea about me, I'm cooperating if you will. If that's not enough that's stupid but I guess I can't do a thing about it.
Thx for the next guy basicly telling people they should be scared about me because I'm hard to read... that's really helpful. Do you really think that people like Marv, Kita, Syllo, Sandro are so much worse than me in that regard if you compare our abilities as mafias from past games? Because frankly it's hilarious that I get that all the time and yet noone is talking about those "risks" when adressing Syllo or Sandro. Almost like I'm WBG/BC-junior.
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Just to get this straight Hapa:
I don't want people to judge me or someone else solely by the plattform we are running. A single d1 post that is meant as your platform for running an election that proves you're town doesn't exist, therefore I'm not even trying to do such a thing, as is noone else.
I gave you an idea about what I thought about the game, how we should approach the game, how I think we should be focussing on scumhunting rather than talking about townreads all game long and that's it.
That doesn't make me mafia or town in the slightest. What should bring you to the conclusion that I'm town are the posts I did that are not based on the election because as you, what I posted in my "campaign" isn't clearing me as town, nor was it supposed to.
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On November 22 2012 12:36 Dienosore wrote:
Cant believe you guys aren't even considering me for first party leader. Would it help if I made three towny reads and put them all under the scope with me? Fine. Give me a minute to whip something up.
Yes it would grately help to tell us the team you scraped together within a minute as an effort to get more votes.
Now onto more serious matters: I guess I'll have to stop running for leader. Noone's willing to vote for me and people are apparently scared. I've got a single vote on me and that's my own and I guess it's not going to happen. I'll keep on doing what I said I'd be doing and what I did so far nonetheless but I'm not running myself anymore.
Guess I'll have to vote for either Syllo or Sandro at this point.
I wouldn't touch Marv with a 2meter long stick right now (as someone put it very charmingly when talking about me) but he's not running anyway, so that's good.
Kita seems like an interessting option as well. Frankly speaking simply because I'd say mafia has their eggs in the basket as well and well, Kita has no votes so I'd feel much better about voting him than for Syllo or Sandro right now.
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A finally TL is working for me again, back to what I was saying earlier in the morning when I wasn't able to open the votingthread or this thread anymore.
I think we should be voting Kita.
I love voting Kita.
##vote Kita
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@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p
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goodkarma wasn't even "running" when I did my post earlier. Yeah could have voted him as well but Kita was posting around that time.
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On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question.
dude I just answered that with the post you quoted...
Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else.
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