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On November 25 2012 21:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv do you know anything about the countdown other than the fact that it decreases by a number every 10 hours, so far.
no idea, gonna just assume it's a Lavos countdown and stop thinking about it until anything more is revealed.
Could anyone around help me with this Prome/syllo business.
I know Prome said it was explained how syllogism took damage night 1, but how is it possible? What have I misread/missed?
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Factional KP is not blocked with Prome ability, according to him. Prome blocked the players who targeted syllo with their actions, factional KP is not player related, so it goes through. It also means that the mafia was planning to hit the player they were going to bus syllo with. what do you think of that ?
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Because promes roleblocks people who attack syllo. Syllo's damage may have been 'self-flicted' by visiting a vet and such.
I also dont totally understand it
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Djo, I dont understand what you mean by mafia was planning to hit the player?
Like Syllo was meant to be in marvs place so they attacked marv?
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On November 25 2012 21:50 Djodref wrote:
Factional KP is not blocked with Prome ability, according to him. Prome blocked the players who targeted syllo with their actions, factional KP is not player related, so it goes through. It also means that the mafia was planning to hit the player they were going to bus syllo with. what do you think of that ?
Ok. Does factional KP not being player related make sense... hmm. syllo took what, 50 damage? and a bunch of damage spread around a load of other players. I suppose I could believe that.
The question is what does the 'framed' bus driver mean in sandroba's role? What does the 'framed' bit mean?
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On November 25 2012 21:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because promes roleblocks people who attack syllo. Syllo's damage may have been 'self-flicted' by visiting a vet and such.
I also dont totally understand it
@Oats
No, it means that the mafia has a certain amount of damage to inflict by night as a group (it is called factional KP), according to Prome explanation.This damage is not coming from one specific player, so prome cannot roleblock anything and the damage goes through his protection. But the interesting thing is that the mafia was maybe planning to bus syllo (but we are not sure of this one), so the damage directed to syllo was not supposed to go to syllo nut another person.
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Can you explain Sandroba's shadow ability to us?
If you cannot in detail, can you tell us whether bus driver resolves before any other abilities on its targets?
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Ahh, but do you think that damage taken by another player was meant to be taken by syllo?
How does Prome know that there is factional KP? If it exists, it seems pretty low considering dieno got hit for 400+ and marv got hit by 200 but the factional KP is 125?
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On November 25 2012 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ahh, but do you think that damage taken by another player was meant to be taken by syllo?
How does Prome know that there is factional KP? If it exists, it seems pretty low considering dieno got hit for 400+ and marv got hit by 200 but the factional KP is 125?
where are you getting 125 for factional KP?
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Acro, I've fostered some distrust on you because of your not wanting to be in the party. Just sayin'.
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On November 25 2012 21:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 21:50 Djodref wrote:
Factional KP is not blocked with Prome ability, according to him. Prome blocked the players who targeted syllo with their actions, factional KP is not player related, so it goes through. It also means that the mafia was planning to hit the player they were going to bus syllo with. what do you think of that ? Ok. Does factional KP not being player related make sense... hmm. syllo took what, 50 damage? and a bunch of damage spread around a load of other players. I suppose I could believe that. The question is what does the 'framed' bus driver mean in sandroba's role? What does the 'framed' bit mean?
I don't know, but I guess that the mafia was planning to bus syllo with CJ. It should have been the best move from their point of view. The fact that they directed some of the factional KP to syllo (i.e. in fact to CJ) makes me think that CJ is not in the scumteam but town or 3rd party. Do you agree ?
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On November 25 2012 22:00 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 21:54 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 21:50 Djodref wrote:
Factional KP is not blocked with Prome ability, according to him. Prome blocked the players who targeted syllo with their actions, factional KP is not player related, so it goes through. It also means that the mafia was planning to hit the player they were going to bus syllo with. what do you think of that ? Ok. Does factional KP not being player related make sense... hmm. syllo took what, 50 damage? and a bunch of damage spread around a load of other players. I suppose I could believe that. The question is what does the 'framed' bus driver mean in sandroba's role? What does the 'framed' bit mean? I don't know, but I guess that the mafia was planning to bus syllo with CJ. It should have been the best move from their point of view. The fact that they directed some of the factional KP to syllo (i.e. in fact to CJ) makes me think that CJ is not in the scumteam but town or 3rd party. Do you agree ?
Perhaps, but I don't think that has to be true at all. Like, they could simply bus syllogism with another townie on the basis that syllogism is highly likely to be the target of protections. Maybe Dinesore's damage (or even mine) was supposed to be for syllogism on the basis that he was less likely to be protected (indeed, I protected syllo but not Dino)
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On November 25 2012 21:58 Acrofales wrote:
Can you explain Sandroba's shadow ability to us?
If you cannot in detail, can you tell us whether bus driver resolves before any other abilities on its targets?
I mean...that would require me knowing what's going on in the game as opposed to being a co-host since last night ._.
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On November 25 2012 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ahh, but do you think that damage taken by another player was meant to be taken by syllo?
How does Prome know that there is factional KP? If it exists, it seems pretty low considering dieno got hit for 400+ and marv got hit by 200 but the factional KP is 125?
Yes, I suspect that the damage taken by CJ (town or mafia or another 3rd party damage) was meant to be directed to syllo. CJ was going to attract the most of town-related KP imo, and mafia should have known this too...
What do you think ?
I have no idea how much the factional KP should be.
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On November 25 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 22:00 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 21:54 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 21:50 Djodref wrote:
Factional KP is not blocked with Prome ability, according to him. Prome blocked the players who targeted syllo with their actions, factional KP is not player related, so it goes through. It also means that the mafia was planning to hit the player they were going to bus syllo with. what do you think of that ? Ok. Does factional KP not being player related make sense... hmm. syllo took what, 50 damage? and a bunch of damage spread around a load of other players. I suppose I could believe that. The question is what does the 'framed' bus driver mean in sandroba's role? What does the 'framed' bit mean? I don't know, but I guess that the mafia was planning to bus syllo with CJ. It should have been the best move from their point of view. The fact that they directed some of the factional KP to syllo (i.e. in fact to CJ) makes me think that CJ is not in the scumteam but town or 3rd party. Do you agree ? Perhaps, but I don't think that has to be true at all. Like, they could simply bus syllogism with another townie on the basis that syllogism is highly likely to be the target of protections. Maybe Dinesore's damage (or even mine) was supposed to be for syllogism on the basis that he was less likely to be protected (indeed, I protected syllo but not Dino)
But should it not have been the best move, from a mafia point of view ?
It's sure that CaveJohnson was not going to be protected at all, but that's totally not the true for you or for Dieno. Anyway, it's just speculation, but that is making me personally say that CJ is less likely to be mafia.
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LOL Marv I switched Syllo and Sandro.
Sandro got hit with 125.
Djo your speculation on who they WANTED to bus syllo with is really weird.
You are full-on GUESSING at this point. Please stop.
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EBWOP: especially if the frame bus was suppose to frame both players of the bus. CJ was likely to be investigated, and syllo as well
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On November 25 2012 22:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
LOL Marv I switched Syllo and Sandro.
Sandro got hit with 125.
Djo your speculation on who they WANTED to bus syllo with is really weird.
You are full-on GUESSING at this point. Please stop.
lol, please let me enjoy this game the way I want. I like speculation 
Also, if you manage to get on the right tracks, speculation can have good results sometimes. I'll drop it but I'm now inclined to think that CJ is likely to not be mafia.
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I was trying to figure this out and thought of another possibility.
Are people who do not perform an action notified of being roleblocked?
If you have already performed your action for the cycle, but are subsequently roleblocked, are you notified?
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On November 25 2012 22:06 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ahh, but do you think that damage taken by another player was meant to be taken by syllo?
How does Prome know that there is factional KP? If it exists, it seems pretty low considering dieno got hit for 400+ and marv got hit by 200 but the factional KP is 125? Yes, I suspect that the damage taken by CJ (town or mafia or another 3rd party damage) was meant to be directed to syllo. CJ was going to attract the most of town-related KP imo, and mafia should have known this too... What do you think ? I have no idea how much the factional KP should be.
Why CJ? What does CJ have to do with anything here? I'm confused why you bring him into this, and furthermore are convinced that CJ and Syllo were bussed.
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