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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 00:21 GMT
#4628
Dieno, I'm so mad at you.
I'm so mad at me for protecting you...

I claim Dieno's save !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 03:13 GMT
#4682
On November 29 2012 11:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think before I go to bed it is fairly safe for me to say this, and this ability benefits from information so:

I have a 1-shot instant ability that returns someone to the state they were in a full cycle ago. This includes health, any status effect and any abilities they had at the time. So if I were to use it on CaveJohnson he would be able to use his 1-shot again, although seeing as toad didn't die that's probably not the best idea.

So I'm crowd sourcing. I don't expect to die this cycle, so what do you guys think would be the best use of my ability? =]
I look forward to hearing some responses. For example: Djo is your protection ability 1shot?

Night all see you tomorrow.


@Clarity

My protection ability was retroactive. It means that you shouldn't use your power on me because I had already used it on D3 for D4. I got lucky to use it at a good timing because it basically provides protection from death for the targeted player. That's why it is not so imb4 even if Dieno could have taken over 9000 damage and not die from it (and me being roleblock on D4 wouldn't have changed anything). I've already used it twice on Dieno (D1 and D3) and I may or may not have more shots
I was hoping to get roleblocked by the mafia but nothing happened to me yesterday.
I don't think that Toad is pardoned today because I would expect this kind of thing to be announced on the OP and the scumteam could have expected him to die.


Regarding the failure of the event, assuming that Acro is not lying about being 3rd party, which I strongly believe, we can that the following thing happened. I think it is also reasonable to assume that Acro has only a neutral influence

Dieno (positive influence) + Keir (positive influence) + Acro (neutral influence) + GK = failure (negative result)

GK has certainly a negative influence on the event. That makes him more likely scum. Adding that to Prom's case, I'm really certain that GK is also mafia. So yeah, Toad first and we have to lynch him today, then GK, then risk/z-bo/hopeless. That would be my current scumreads.

Oh, and if anyone is doubting my save of Dieno, I would like them to say it now or shut up forever. Can I also be considered almost confirmed town for it ? Just saying this so you can send me on a party anytime whithout too much doubts now.

Vote: Toad

I would like anyone
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 03:26 GMT
#4691
On November 29 2012 12:14 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 12:13 Djodref wrote:
On November 29 2012 11:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think before I go to bed it is fairly safe for me to say this, and this ability benefits from information so:

I have a 1-shot instant ability that returns someone to the state they were in a full cycle ago. This includes health, any status effect and any abilities they had at the time. So if I were to use it on CaveJohnson he would be able to use his 1-shot again, although seeing as toad didn't die that's probably not the best idea.

So I'm crowd sourcing. I don't expect to die this cycle, so what do you guys think would be the best use of my ability? =]
I look forward to hearing some responses. For example: Djo is your protection ability 1shot?

Night all see you tomorrow.


@Clarity

My protection ability was retroactive. It means that you shouldn't use your power on me because I had already used it on D3 for D4. I got lucky to use it at a good timing because it basically provides protection from death for the targeted player. That's why it is not so imb4 even if Dieno could have taken over 9000 damage and not die from it (and me being roleblock on D4 wouldn't have changed anything). I've already used it twice on Dieno (D1 and D3) and I may or may not have more shots
I was hoping to get roleblocked by the mafia but nothing happened to me yesterday.
I don't think that Toad is pardoned today because I would expect this kind of thing to be announced on the OP and the scumteam could have expected him to die.


Regarding the failure of the event, assuming that Acro is not lying about being 3rd party, which I strongly believe, we can that the following thing happened. I think it is also reasonable to assume that Acro has only a neutral influence

Dieno (positive influence) + Keir (positive influence) + Acro (neutral influence) + GK = failure (negative result)

GK has certainly a negative influence on the event. That makes him more likely scum. Adding that to Prom's case, I'm really certain that GK is also mafia. So yeah, Toad first and we have to lynch him today, then GK, then risk/z-bo/hopeless. That would be my current scumreads.

Oh, and if anyone is doubting my save of Dieno, I would like them to say it now or shut up forever. Can I also be considered almost confirmed town for it ? Just saying this so you can send me on a party anytime whithout too much doubts now.

Vote: Toad

I would like anyone


I know English isn't your first language. Could you clarify what you mean by the bolded? Thanks.

I was talking about the hidden value attributed to each player to determine the outcome of the event.
Basically, if my speculation is correct, the failure of the event is caused bu GK. Hence, GK is scum.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 06:21 GMT
#4741
On November 29 2012 12:55 Promethelax wrote:
Oh, Djo, I meant to ask earlier: please provide the breadcrumbs for your saves. Thank you. After that we'll talk about confirmed or not.


@everybody

I didn't make real breadcrumbs for my saves because they are activated one cycle after I use my ability.
Neverthless, you can find good indications in my filter that I'm not lying about what I've explained ealier: I've used my ability on Dieno D1 and D3, providing him protection from death on D2 and D4.

Here is what you can find in my filter at the end of D2 and at the beginning and D3. Until today, I believed I had already saved him at that time but we didn't get the message in the OP so I was wrong. Anyway :

On November 25 2012 07:26 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:19 iamperfection wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:13 goodkarma wrote:


My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad?

Really? your suggesting we shouldn't be still scumhunting and have tunnel vision.

Keriharti nitpicking and aggression there is also a town tell in my view. He is suspicious in a good way.
Your point there was scummy as shit. You think we should have blinders on right now really?


I have to agree, we're way past the point of scumhunting, we can return to that tomorrow.
Right now people need to decide, Sandro or Toad


My guess is that we are going to be back at picking a party leader tomorrow. The problem is that I think that the final blow is going to be delivered to Frog tonight so we'll have to find a new "almost confirmed" town player for tomorrow...


Here I was trying to manipulate the mafia team into shooting Dieno dead.

On November 25 2012 10:27 Djodref wrote:
@marv

I think we can limit ourselves to one party member from the last time. Dieno is the most obvious town in my eyes. I don't know how he is still alive but I would definitively take him in my party.
After that, Acro and Clarity deserve to be included. They really look town in my eyes, and I can guess that everyone share this opinion. As a party leader, I feel that I would be the less reliable given my previous views on sandro but I would like to take this opportunity to show everyone my true colors ^^


Here I'm saying that I don't know how he was still alive when I totally knew he was going to be alive. After that, I was very curious to know how much damage he took and if he knew or not that he was saved. Hence the following post.

On November 25 2012 16:34 Djodref wrote:
*snip*

In fact, I thought that you got protected. The fact that the amount of claimed KP is low and that you didn't want to say what happened to you and your reaction right now almost confirms it. Did you get protection last cycle ?
Could you tell us how much damage you took ?

*snip*


Regarding the protection that saved him last cycle, I think that my breadcrumb was pretty obvious I don't know how you can mistrust me. Do you think that the mafia would have wasted 475 damage KP for the sake of getting me "confirmed" ?
Anyway:

On November 28 2012 08:04 Djodref wrote:


Disclaimer: Dieno is already taken care of !




It looks like Dieno is a serious contender for the title of party leader today.
I don't want people to waste heals or protections on him because I have already used a retroactive ability on him which totally protects him. I have already saved him during the second cycle I believe.
So now you are free to use your abilities on someone else ^^

I aslo would like Dieno to consider taking me instead of TC on his party because I'm not fully trusting TC yet (hence my vote on Keirathi) but I'm not going to fight for it because Dieno's party is likely to succeed already imo.


So, Prome, satisfied ?
Did I earn the right to get on a party ?


Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 06:36 GMT
#4744
On November 29 2012 15:26 Promethelax wrote:
I was more curious about you d1/2 BC. You are right your last cycle crumb was pretty clear. I just prefer having these things claimed.

I think we should leave off on our team plans until after this cycle. Since we have a lynch this cycle it is like a normal mafia game and giving town reads right now is pretty crap. We need scum reads right now. Besides Toad. Go forth young Djo, find scum, build cases etc. etc.


@Prom

Well, I think z-bo is a good candidate right now. I am work so I cannot explain so much but his choice of sandro as a party leader (z-bo was the only guy with a vote on sandro at the end of the day) looks weird. The fact that he doesn't participe in the process of finding townies nor really cares about the party leader choices but keeps making cases on "easy" targets is also weird.
Like, z-bo attacked adam, S&B, TC, Hopeless and kita. But yeah, he doesn't follow up these reads so much. Town Z-bo is usually more stubborn and can tunnel you to death.

I need to build a real case but I would say he has also good chances to be mafia when I checked his filter last time.

I'm wary of VE, risk.nuke and Hopeless. Phagga also but a little less.

The rest is pretty much green or third party. I think marv was right about kita. You just have to see how obsessed he is about CJ and Acro.

What's your take on Acro by the way ? I really think he is a pro-town 3rd party...

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 06:38 GMT
#4746
On November 29 2012 15:31 syllogism wrote:
Prom you better have a good story read as to why you didn't protect any of the most likely targets


@syllo

I know who Prom targeted yesterday I found it in his filter and I'm waiting for him to confirm. He made a good choice imo ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 06:39 GMT
#4747
Arf ninja'd, it was Clarity indeed
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 07:07 GMT
#4755
On November 29 2012 15:18 syllogism wrote:
This is extremely stupid, I can not believe hosts didn't just ask him for a team. Poor form


@syllo

I think the hosts felt like they had to help the mafia team a little ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 10:08 GMT
#4759
@phagga

I want to be on the party because I'm 100% sure I'm town. I also suspect that I could get an ability if I get the chance to have a seat on the party. I wanted to be party leader a few days ago because I thought it would be a risky but good move to introduce new players to have more "confirmed townies". I'm also really curious what the received items are.

Anyway, right now, I'm not so eager as before, but I thought it would be good to state that I consider myself as a serious and safe option as a party member. Also I wanted to see the feedback I was going to get.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 15:08 GMT
#4812
Clarity as party leader ?
Keir, do you want to be in the party to use your ability ?
Anyone else who feels like they have to be in the party today ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 15:09 GMT
#4814
On November 30 2012 00:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Wowowowowow.

Okay so:

##Lynch Toaddesstern
##Party Leader: Clarity


ninja

what's ur team ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 15:15 GMT
#4824
On November 30 2012 00:10 iamperfection wrote:
hey if anyone thinks im not town say it now.

If not i say its time i get in the party.


I think that we should prioritize people who need to be in the party for ability related stuff or because they have bad ass role like robo or frog with a possible high hidden value.
I believe that you are town but I would prefer you to remain non "confirmed" town if you don't mind. I think that the protection type roles like you and me shouldn't try to get under the spotlight too much. I would vote a party with you as a member though...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 29 2012 15:20 GMT
#4829
On November 30 2012 00:16 iamperfection wrote:
i would take myself clarity djo and either sylo or dino


I'm against Dieno in the party this round because I would like him to be party leader next round to see if he can finally get his sword repaired or not. I'll vote Clarity because he is town for me and there is enough choice for him today to compose a successful team ^^

##Vote: Clarity
##Lynch: Toad
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 30 2012 09:36 GMT
#5116
Regarding Dieno, I think that it is better to tell that he is not going to die thanks to my protection. He should be in the party. And my protection only is enough ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 30 2012 09:47 GMT
#5117
@Clarity

What do you think about officialy taking Dieno and me in your party and not disclose the fourth member ?
Dieno is going to be alive tomorrow, you can trust me on this.
If I'm a party member, hopefully I'll get protection and survive as well to succeed on the event and keep on using my imb4 ability.
According to some crumbs I think I saw, you should be all right.

Only one member is going to be hidden and the mafia would be lucky if they hit him dead.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 30 2012 11:39 GMT
#5129
Sorry for my last posts, I was on my phone and I couldn't explain my idea very well.

Firstly, it is important to keep in my that our party leader (most likely Clarity) is going to choose a party for tomorrow. I think it is very important to make sure that all the chosen party members are alive for the next event because I'm afraid that one town member missing could cause the event to fail.

I didn't want to announce that Dieno had death protection again today but after considering my previous point, I think it was for the best to tell any potential party leader that Dieno should be on the team even if he has low HP, because he is not going to die tonight for sure. If people are still doubting me, please keep in mind that my ability has been mod-confirmed.

On November 29 2012 09:05 GreYMisT wrote:
*snip*

Dienosore is Protected by a Mysterious Player, and is prevented from dying

*snip*


Remark: I'm not so mysterious

Anyway, even if town fails to see how my ability is OP, the scum team is going to realize it without a doubt and that's why I require protection. Then, if I get protection, it is more likely for me that I'm not going to die, so it should be a good decision to put me on the party for tomorrow, which would give even more reasons to protect me.
By the way, I think that Clarity is going to be protected enough for tonight, but we should be prudent.

I'm not opposed to TC being in the party anymore, Clarity can decide to attribute the fourth spot to him if he wants. But I think it would be better to keep the fourth player hidden because I don't know if we have enough protection to keep 3 players alive for sure.

By the way, I have no problem with people healing Dieno and stuff, but I think they are wasting their heals on him.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 30 2012 13:08 GMT
#5137
On November 30 2012 22:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
So he wants to lynch himself?
I dont understand..


No, it's just a classic move from mafia players to pretend that they are town
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 30 2012 13:55 GMT
#5140
No, it is definitively a scumtell, whatever the reason. Since I've been reading these forums, I've only ever saw scum players voting themselves.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 30 2012 13:56 GMT
#5142
@Clarity

Some comments on my proposition ?
You should take Dieno at least. He is going to be alive tomorrow
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 30 2012 14:06 GMT
#5145
Anyway, it reeks of desperation and self-guiltiness. Thanks for the input Acro but it reinforces my opinion that gk is scum.
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