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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 03:44 GMT
#2994
##unvote
##vote SnB
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 04:00 GMT
#3000
On November 19 2012 12:59 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 12:45 iamperfection wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:44 Djodref wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:36 iamperfection wrote:
On November 19 2012 12:28 Djodref wrote:
Shit guys, are you actually voting me for this ?
I admit I didn't explain it well but I don't think its a good reason to vote for someone...

On a side note, I think that our setup is MVCCDTT. This is what makes the most sense right now and S&B should know it as well. I'm totally dropping BH now.

But if there is another blue, he has to claim noaw imo.

so no sk then right


Yeah no SK in this case. We just have to find the last scum and we know for sure that he is not Hope and not BH.
We still have 3 lynch to find him. It's too bad that debears couldn't confirm anyone else at the exception of the confirmed vig because it would almost have been GG right now then.

If there is still one blue, I want him to claim now or I'm going to auto-vote him after.


look at me setup speculate like a boss


Was that sarcasm ?
My plan was quite good but I didn't take into account the Cop (I thought the cop was you when Z-Bo referred to the Cop for the first time, I thought that you had checked thrawn or BH N1) would not bring us confirmed townies with him.
I'm quite impressed by this snipe from the mafia player and I didn't see it coming.
But things should be easier now.
Iamp, DP, Clarity, Kickstart, S&B
The last scum is hiding among these players if I'm right about the setup. We have 3 shots to find him. Easy enough imo


could you for like, even a moment, just shut up about the damn setup
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 04:06 GMT
#3001
actually you know what I really can't criticize at this point, the setup analysis makes me confirmed town but really I could have figured that out when I said "hey guys there are 3 blues" like a million days ago.

But yeah S&B lynch today imo
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 15:09 GMT
#3043
Wow is SnB still being a baby about this? Is he trying to play the "I'm too immature and mad to contribute, so my utter lack of any sort of contribution for the last 100 hours is actually a result of me being town, not scum" card?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 16:12 GMT
#3048
Ugh Kickstart I got repect for you as a HoN player but this grows a bit tiring

That being said, I sat down with his filter, and I would not vote kickstart. I get a newbie town read from him, not a scum read. Some highlights from his filter that make me think he is town:

When he first arrives at the start of the game, he responds to hapa's questioning with a direct question, one that basically only a newbie would act. (link) He thinks he's putting on pressure here. He speaks out against the SnB wagon and explains his motives for questioning hapa (link), then develops a case on hapa (link). He soft defends SnB (link) and then responds to my claim by focusing on a hapa lynch (link).

He later directly butts heads with hapa (link) and suggests lynching both hapa and me (link).

He later moves his vote onto hopeless, then DP. Eventually, when the big hapa switch comes, he eagerly jumps on the wagon. This suggests to me he was waiting for an opportunity to really lynch hapa, especially given how he went head-to-head with hapa for much of D1. I don't think this is what a newbie scum with hapa and crossfire would do. Hapa made himself visible in the thread and kickstart reacted reasonably to him, made a case, supported it, drew a lot of fire for it, and ultimately contributed to the hapa lynch in a way that many on the hapa wagon can't honestly say they did.

Kickstart is a newbie, and hasn't contributed much in the past day, but I would not lynch him.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 16:14 GMT
#3049
In any case, I'll understand if you disagree with my analysis here, and yes I didn't like Kickstart much at the end of N2 but that was for a very serious review of his filter. I am now utterly against lynching him today.



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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 16:48 GMT
#3053
BTW, SnB, see that thing I just did there with kickstart? That whole "read his filter, do analysis, and make a read" thing? If you're town, that's what you need to do. You need to help find the last scum. Even if you think "oh I'll never convince BH, I'm gonna get lynched anyways" it's all the more important that you play the game. If you die without doing this, and flip town, you have failed. Well, you have failed more.

Whatever alignment you are, I recommend strongly against conceding. Play the game. Analyze. I know you're capable of it.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 17:13 GMT
#3056
yeah but like on a personal note I don't want a potentially town SnB to be like "fuck these fuckers" and just be silent until he gets lynched. I want him to talk and offer reads and shit in case he flips town
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 17:14 GMT
#3058
On November 20 2012 02:12 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 01:48 Blazinghand wrote:
BTW, SnB, see that thing I just did there with kickstart? That whole "read his filter, do analysis, and make a read" thing? If you're town, that's what you need to do. You need to help find the last scum. Even if you think "oh I'll never convince BH, I'm gonna get lynched anyways" it's all the more important that you play the game. If you die without doing this, and flip town, you have failed. Well, you have failed more.

Whatever alignment you are, I recommend strongly against conceding. Play the game. Analyze. I know you're capable of it.


now that i think you're town i don't really want to win anymore because it means you win too

you're like drazerk2.0


I understand the feeling, but you must realize a statement like that doesn't give me any reason to unvote you-- you could as easily say this as scum as town. If you're legitimate attempting to undermine the strong town victory that's currently under-way, remember that you have a win-con to play to. don't let emotions cloud your judgement. After all the hard and excellent work I've put in to win this game for the town I'd be pretty annoyed if you threw a tantrum and didn't help out.

Of course you're probably scum and this is all an act but I owe it to you to at least discuss with you.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 17:18 GMT
#3060
that would be funny but I'm gonna say "no" because as scum you typically concede by PMing the host
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 17:22 GMT
#3063
That'd be pretty funny. But yeah as long as you're just putzing around I'm gonna go and read some more filters. I'll keep an eye on the thread in case you decide to play the game.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 17:27 GMT
#3065
what did I do there
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 17:33 GMT
#3068
fair enough. whenever you get the chance, it could always help. I know you're a busy dude and that's fine. It'd have been nice if you hadn't spent like the past 72 hours tunnelling me and setup-speculating but really it is a clever way to avoid committing to any real reads.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 17:34 GMT
#3070
On November 20 2012 02:33 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 02:27 Blazinghand wrote:
what did I do there

Gsl 3


oh yeah right lol
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 17:36 GMT
#3071
yeah hopeless working off the "SnB flips town, mafia shoots you and me for the next two nights" assumption we basically know how the game will play out.

Currently alive are 8 players, and counting out me and hopeless1, we have 6 potential lynch targets and 3 lynches to use. currently on the list is:

Djodref, strongandbig, DarthPunk, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, Kickstart

And any time we can make a solid town-read (as I currently have on kickstart) our odds of lynching the scum with our lynches get better. assuming we lynch SnB and he flips town, scum will shoot either me or hopeless and tomorrow it'll look like this:

1 blue + djodref, DP, clarity, iamp, kickstart

which gives us 2 lynches left and 5 potential targets. If we lynch another guy, and he flips town, scum will shoot the other blue and it'll be a 3-1 MYLO with no confirmed townies.

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 18:32 GMT
#3078
drojef knock off the annoying max font bold all caps stuff
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 18:33 GMT
#3079
I'm not 100% sure the last scum would have to be experienced to snipe debears really. I mean, yeah, it was a good snipe, but for all we know Hapa dropped some mad knowledge in the scum QT or the last scum just got lucky shooting into the town. The last scum certainly *could* be experienced and I don't think kickstart is scum, but I wouldn't use that as the reason to exonerate him.

In terms of "should DP be considered unlynchable" the answer is "absolutely not". Nobody is beyond suspicion or questioning. Thinking that way is dangerous and leads to us losing. I may not think kickstart is scum but that doesn't mean I'm gonna bank everything on that fact. Question everything.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 18:45 GMT
#3081
the setup speculation is, and has always been, a shitty use of time not because it was without value but because it gives us no read on you. 100% setup speculation tells us nothing about the person who does it. When you wasted all your time with a mixture of setup speculation and tunnelling me, you caused everyone to get a scumread on you because you weren't scumhunting. That's why people are on you. the fact of the matter is your setup speculation was completely unnecessary because someone could have easily done it all after the debears flip in like a few minutes rather than talking about "all the possibilities" like you did so much before the debears flip, when it still wasn't clear what setup we're in.

Really, the setup speculation wouldn't even have been a problem if you like actually made reads and pushed cases. The point here isn't "oh setup speculation is bad" though that is true-- it's "oh, ONLY setup speculation is bad, drojef shoudl actually contribute and talk" and you're like "haha nop i'm just gonna tunnel and do setup speculation"

Like, remember yesterday when you were tunnelling me and everyone except SnB was like "dude we're not lynching BH" and you're like "lawl nope"

you have to realize that you need to actually scumhunt and analyze to play this game
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 18:51 GMT
#3083
um dude it was obvious we had a cop. I've been talking about what the cop should do and how I'm trying not to RB the cop with my JK usage since N1. How on earth would Z-Bo "give away" the fact we have a cop? It's not like he had any more knowledge about it than we do.

??? I don't understand you
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 19 2012 18:52 GMT
#3084
And uh you really misunderstand my point. I'm saying that scum could be a shitty player, like yourself, and sniped debears not because he was good but because he was lucky. Yes, he was aiming for the cop, and he hit the cop, but it wasn't cause he was experienced-- there is luck in these things.
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