I categorically refuse to legitimize any sort of setup-speculation based mass claim. Obviously I can't choose not to claim at this point but the claim-decision should be in the hands of the final blue. SnB, I think you'd be much much better served arguing your case to the blue than to the VTs. VTs claiming and outing our last blue is bad if he doesn't want to be outed.

Really, though, the only person who has the right to initiate a mass claim is the blue. If he doesn't want to do it, he doesn't have to, and if he does want to do it, that's his prerogative-- and no-one else's.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 18 2012 23:15 GMT

#2833

And also, like, it was always obvious a mass claim would end up either with "we lynch into the blues" or "we lynch into the VTs" depending on whether there's the right number of each or not. I'm not sure how this is a new revelation lol

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 18 2012 23:17 GMT

#2835

On November 19 2012 08:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
I lynch into Z-bo's wagon

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 18 2012 23:17 GMT

#2836

Though I mean SnB has a point, however addled his thinking may be: If there is an extra blue, then we should lynch into the blue claims where they overlap with the ZB wagon.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 18 2012 23:27 GMT

#2838

which puts us, of course, in the same position: VTs mass-claiming only outs the blue (though I suppose he could fake-claim VT) without him wanting to claim. any mass claim MUST be initiated by the blue, NOT by the VTs.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 18 2012 23:57 GMT

#2840

dood debears that is best idea

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 00:43 GMT

#2844

if there's a mass claim you can just claim at the start of D3 since you're obviously a VT and have no results worth sharing

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 00:44 GMT

#2845

or rather, you're obviously gonna claim VT. there's also a chance you're scum, but that chance is substantially smaller than SnB's chance of being scum.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 00:46 GMT

#2846

though really i'm just gonna hold off on the serious discussion for like 15 minutes. you guys are gonna love who i'm JKing tonight, it's brilliant.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 00:56 GMT

#2850

On November 19 2012 09:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Blazinghands case against clarity is good...

If BH is alive much longer we need to lynch him.

I know what you're getting at but this fills my heart with salty tears of sadness.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 00:57 GMT

#2851

we have like 3 lynches to catch scum so let's not jump into lynching me tomorrow just because i'm alive guys think about it logically

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 01:02 GMT

#2852

are we officially in action resolution time?

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 01:07 GMT

#2854

ok, so I RBed hopeless1. If through some colossal screw-up of the century scum forget to RB me but also remember to send in the NK, they're probably shooting him, our confirmed town. In the even he's like the SK or something, hey, look i'm helping by RBing the SK.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 01:08 GMT

#2856

it's probably moot anyways since i'm probably RBed but yeah that's my thing. I suppose now we hunker down and see if there's a blue claim. I'm still sitting on my thoughts on SnB and Clarity. Not sure if Djoref deserves not to be lynched but our job is to lynch scum not fools

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 01:10 GMT

#2858

yeah iamp is basically right on the money. I don't share his particular concern with debears, but I get what he's getting at there. I must also admit I haven't put enough into interacting with / reading up on kickstart and I'll do so. In the event I'm shot tonight, I'd recommend we spend our lynches on SnB, clarity, and Djoref (all this subject to change as new evidence alights itself).

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 01:10 GMT

#2859

On November 19 2012 10:08 iamperfection wrote:

Show nested quote +

good you passed your test

Bah it's irrelevant anyways since i'm gonna get roleblocked. I can't imagine scum not roleblocking me honestly, even if they shoot me they should roleblock me anyways just in case i'm roleblocking them.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 01:11 GMT

#2860

But yeah if somehow the last scum player sends in his NK, then forgets to send in an RB on me I'll be like the hero of nottingham

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 01:32 GMT

#2868

I gotta say, it's 2 am in netherlands and clarity wakes up to make his post but debears can't stop playing LoL long enough to explain his reads at length

..yup

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 19 2012 01:49 GMT

#2878

The sliding scale of town vs scum!

Towniest

hopeless: he's our vigi. probably dead tonight

iamp: been thinking smart and critically this game

dp: consider this a read with modestly large error bars. I like DP. I like what he did D1 and I like that he understood my claim and has been reasonable on things like setup speculation. no-body, though, not even him is above suspicion

clarity: you can swap him with kickstart. clarity has been thoughtful and useful but I don't like how he acted D1 and some people don't like how he acted D2. I would not lynch him D3 though. I guess he's been too damn smart and useful so far so we can't do this. waking up at 2:30 am earns him some credit to honestly-- and yes, I made a case on him. I don't like him. I don't like the fact that he's smart enough to fool me. Originally he was down just above drojef, but he doesn't deserve that today. KEEP AN EYE ON HIM. clarity is smart and if he's the scum this is probably how he'd seem right now. Keep an eye on this mofo

kickstart: inactive, unhelpful, still don't know that he cares to play the game. "but BH what if he's just lazy town" well yeah that's why he's not the scummiest. He hasn't contributed except when earnestly pushed to-- and I don't like it.

debears: I guess you could swap HIM with kickstart also, but essentially it boils down to two things I don't like about him, but a couple saving graces that keep me from saying "let's lynch debears today": he was off his town meta d1. not a huge amount, but some. I kinda agree with his thing that everyone on hapa is probably town, but it blinds him (or seems to blind him) and gives him an excuse for his reads that I don't like. really actually maybe he's townier than kickstart. I need to know more about kickstart.

drojef: opting out of the discourse, but also has a tunnelling meta as town, so he escapes the noose today.

SnB: we all know the deal. setup speculation with drojef. been playing like turd. he doesn't want to play the game and is trying to avoid taking stances. why don't you want to play, SnB? why not give reads and be accountable and do things other than tunnel me? This isn't like you at all.

scummiest

I get that some people disagree with me, but i'm probably living through the night so I have plenty of time to refine and interact etc. If scum kills me i'll be kinda astonished-- killing hopeless or even hunting for the blue would be a wiser decision if most people think what they think. if scum kills me though it's also the right move, since i'm the best player here. Yeah I had a rough start but i've got this covered.