Um.. the same way anyone wins, really. Tonight he RBs + shoots me then 8 players are left, tomorrow night he RBs the claimed blue and shoots hopeless, and then 6 players are left, or vice versa, then night 5 shoots the last blue then we're at a 4-player mylo in a typical clusterfuck with only 2 nights of blue check from the investigative blue (who is now dead), no confirmed townies, etc.

The fact that he personally isn't in a great position doesn't mean much for his plan being bad-- it wouldn't make him any worse off as scum. S&B # 1 lynch for tomorrow imo though, Drojef apparently has a tunnelling jubjub meta so what are you gonna do

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

November 18 2012 18:19 GMT

#2777

Like, it's hard for ANY player to win as scum at this point because tomorrow we go into the day with 7 town, 1 scum. Yeah it's also hard for djodref to win too, but his mass claim plan isn't bad because he's suggesting it or whatever, it's bad because it needs to be up to the last blue whether he claims or not. For what it's worth, he's come around to my way of thinking and now believes the last blue should make this decision-- this is correct.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

November 18 2012 18:24 GMT

#2779

Yeah or that, but after the mass claim I'm confirmed town, and they need to start shooting confirmed townies. I suppose logically they could also block me, shoot hopeless, then after the blue claims, block me, shoot the blue, then block me, shoot me. The order doesn't matter a huge amount.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

November 18 2012 18:27 GMT

#2782

Um, but they can't shoot the cop tonight cause they don't know who he is, right? Tonight they HAVE to shoot me or hopeless, then tomorrow night shoot the cop, then the night after shoot whichever they didn't shoot out of me and hopeless. Am I missing something here?

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

November 18 2012 18:28 GMT

#2784

Look I think you guys are missing the point here, which is that there are three nights left, including this one, and there are three blues who will be confirmed town if in fact there is a mass claim, the situation we're talking about. If indeed there is a mass claim, scum needs to go into LYLO with as few confirmed townies as possible, and that means using their three remaining shots on the three blues. Why wouldn't they shoot blues?

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

November 18 2012 18:30 GMT

#2786

On November 19 2012 03:28 iamperfection wrote:

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if the cop checks the scum its gg

Hm, that's a good point. I forgot about that. In fact, even a cop with two green checks can make this game massively more difficult for scum since that would bring us up to 5 confirmed townies out of 8 players tomorrow

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

November 18 2012 18:32 GMT

#2788

On November 19 2012 03:31 iamperfection wrote:

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you see i'm not that useless am i.

I have never insinuated that _in my entire life_ and I am astonished you think I'd think that about you. I hold you in the highest esteem, sonny boyo lad child etc etc

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

November 18 2012 20:00 GMT

#2811

On November 19 2012 04:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think if you had given zbo another day he would've shined through as town. SnB on the other hand, is no where to be found, and when he is he's making small posts again. If we pressure him he'll suddenly post giant posts again though.

hindsight is 20/20 but your reasoning on SnB is correct.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

November 18 2012 22:09 GMT

#2822

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

November 18 2012 22:23 GMT

#2826

This game will be characterized as "everyone thinks BH is scum -> everyone reluctantly forced to admit BH is town but thinks he's bad -> everyone reluctantly forced to admit BH is mvp of this game"

and somewhere in the middle someone will also say "wow i can't believe there's so much setup speculation instead of real case-making and analysis"