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On November 18 2012 03:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
BlazingHand, I don't know if you are scum, but you seem the only one on my wagon to actually trying to legitimately pin me as scum, trying to tackle my posts. I can't defend myself against debears and DP, they are too blind to reason and are clearly not reading.
DP I have a 99.99% town read on so w.e on him.
What do you think of debears? What about djodref?
Let me know what you think of my latest posts concerning WIFOM bombs as well. Need to find a soul to whom I can adequately defend myself too. Hopeless is not taking the game seriously anymore, debears went full retard, and DP is quietly sleeping (when you wake up, let me know your explanation for my proof that my pre-night post was not WIFOM).
Also, I agree with clarity. Town just got waaaaaaaay more inactive. We're doing great, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Kickstart, Hopeless and iamp, need you guys here..
I always go full retard. So do uou find me scummy or not?
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On November 18 2012 06:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
I did read it. You should have been expecting to be lynched at the time of that post. You were the leader for the 10-15 minutes leading up to the lynch, right up until Hapa got bombed. Arguing that you didn't expect it is like saying BH's claim was a great idea.
Committing to a day2 bus of Hapa? Why is that a bad thing as scum? One of you walks away with massive town-cred, and there's no guarantee that either of you would prevail. In addition, Hapa hard defended your meta-shift claim. Bussing a teammate is a legitimate strategy.
You 'gave away' the second scumbuddy during the night, after he failed to produce anything useful. You didn't give away shit. If you are trying to imply that Hapa was #1 and BH was #2, then fuck you harder. If you are saying you gave up Cross, which kind of makes sense, I counter with Cross gave himself up. You just acknowledged it and bought into the cred earned by flipping him as a goon.
Hey guys, something we need to consider is that hapa would have been expected to be nked n2 anyways (considering how good he is at town). Remember this. So a scum setting up a day 2 bus on Hapa is imo the most likely scenario
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On November 18 2012 07:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Joining the halfwit confirmation bias club, hopeless? When I wrote that post, I thought DP had many more votes. I remember this because I fucking wrote "in the godly situation that I get lynched". Of course, you can choose not to believe me. AT LEAST you have to realize that the votes were tied, as what you quoted just suggested.
DP, not hapa. Duh.
Z-Bo, you are insulting what, 3 people now? Only one of us could possibly be scum, and chances are none of us 3 are.
This is not how a town player about to get mislynched would act in a scenario with 8 fucking town and 1 scum left (there are 8 of us left right?). The odds of being mislynched in an 8:1 ratio is significantly higher. You would realize this as town and calm down by being helpful and reanalyzing the thread instead of calling people stupid. Calling people idiots doesn't help you at all as town.
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What are the odds of a cop, miller, gf, goon, jk setup?????
Or where can I look this up?
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On November 18 2012 08:30 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 08:25 debears wrote:On November 18 2012 07:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Joining the halfwit confirmation bias club, hopeless? When I wrote that post, I thought DP had many more votes. I remember this because I fucking wrote "in the godly situation that I get lynched". Of course, you can choose not to believe me. AT LEAST you have to realize that the votes were tied, as what you quoted just suggested.
DP, not hapa. Duh. Z-Bo, you are insulting what, 3 people now? Only one of us could possibly be scum, and chances are none of us 3 are. This is not how a town player about to get mislynched would act in a scenario with 8 fucking town and 1 scum left (there are 8 of us left right?). The odds of being mislynched in an 8:1 ratio is significantly higher. You would realize this as town and calm down by being helpful and reanalyzing the thread instead of calling people stupid. Calling people idiots doesn't help you at all as town. It makes me feel better though, especially when people are clearly clearly not giving a shit about the game and not making any sense. Everything I've said everyone is always making up a scum interpretation and using that as an argument, instead of simply looking at the simple and obvious explanation. The amount of misinformation and ignorance on what I've been saying is too damn high. The only one who actually attempted to get me lynched in a decent manner was BH. The lot of you are just throwing pebbles. Pisses me the hell off. I don't care about being lynched, but at least deal with what I've been saying and what I've been throwing in your faces all game long. Jesus.
BECAUSE THERE ARE 8 TOWN AND ONE FUCKING SCUM/SK LEFT FFS. FIGURE IT OUT. IT'S FUCKING HARD DAMNIT TO FIND THE LAST SCUM
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Seriously can someone tell me where I can get hard percentages for the setup odds here?
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Ok I'm going to go see the new bond. I'll poke in and out when I can
I really need someone to give me the following setup odss:
Vig, JK, Miller, GF, Goon, scum RB
Vig, JK, GF, Goon, scum RB
Vig, JK, Cop, Miller, GF, Goon, scum RB
Vig, JK, Cop, GF, Goon, scum RB
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There's no way to determine?
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On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote:It seems to me people are thinking too much of my posts, expecting some sort of brilliant day one cases. Disagreeing with my logic does not make me scum. That should pretty much handle the vast chunk of shit I got the last few pages. There are, however, some things I'd like to point out during these last events, though: First thing to note is how uncharacteristically bad BH's case is against me. He's basically saying I'm bullshitting with every post I make. While I agree my posts are not the bestest they can be, I'm not sure why that implies I'm scum. He says this one thing in particular though: Show nested quote +ZB is setting up to look good as a wagon starter (since scum don't like to stick their necks out) and appear to contribute to town, but if you read his astonishingly short filter, it's clear he's not actually helping. He's flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. Note two things. 1) He's saying I'm setting up to look good as a wagon starter. This is balls-to-the wall dumb. How am I a wagon starter just for having the first vote? Also, as he himself noted, I did not write a full essay regarding why I think SnB is scum. I voted for him for implying that he is town, and that's basically it. If I wanted to become a "wagon starter", that's obviously the exact opposite of what I should do, I would make a much more elaborate case. Ironically, I could say the same about BH and his case on me, and with much more validity, as he actually goes deep in his case on me, and seems somehow certain of my alignment, something which he leaves very clear later on: Now, I'm not scum, so in my pov he is pretty much full of shit with this remark. There's a difference between bad logic, the thing he is calling me on bullshitting, and actual bullshitting, which is what this "wagon starting" remark actually is. 2) He's saying my filter is short, and it's clear I'm not helping. Again, completely ironic and hypocritical.He has only three completely useless posts up until this one: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 15:38 Blazinghand wrote:On November 13 2012 11:52 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think. Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum. From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game. you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum. Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking. The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o. Yep. I would not. I would not vote day one for Hapa or marv either. Unless there was something super obvious I would not vote for them. But I do not think that would happen because they are all good players and that is why I respect them I suppose. Honestly I think it's bad to tie yourself down with ideas like that. If someone's playing scummy, they're playing scummy. My scum play isn't amazing, but due to my extreme sex appeal and enormous intelligence and penis, I can assure you that it's improved a great deal. Mostly it's due to my large penis-- it is quite a monstrosity. It works as a pad, even. Back on topic, don't feel like you can't vote or push people because of possible contributions. This kind of play is lazy and puts preconceived notions of what certain players are worth ahead of behavioral analysis. Someone voting for me because they legitimately think I'm scum and they have the cojones to do it is infinitely more helpful to town than someone not voting me because I'm a sexy baller. That being said, iamperfection's vote is pretty typical iamperfection throwing his vote around trying to pressure people but not doing it effectively. He needs to realize that you should vote people when you want to lynch them, or else you won't be taken seriously. The second paragraph is completely fluffy, he's not actually saying anything. That being said, I would like everyone to pay attention to the bolded on the third paragraph. He heavily, heavily thrashes me for being weak on my vote on SnB. Let's ignore all the others, especially DP (who voted TWICE on SnB, without saying anything). Let's focus on what he says here on iamp - and this is important. He says that iamp is throwing his vote around to pressure people, and that's all A-ok. Now pause and think here. I'll quote what he said about that on me for clarity: Show nested quote +....S&B's "accidental" "vt claim" (both of those are in question) could be suspicious. But Z-B doesn't explain why. He doesn't set up a scum motive. He just slaps down a vote and bails. This is a chance to look like a townie wagon-started without doing analysis or writing the kind of long posts that could reveal his own scum motives. When Hapa rightly calls him on it ..... and Show nested quote +....A town player would lay out his own thought process right away so that others understand what he's thinking. He'd respond to s&B and push the wagon, not just slap down a vote and a bad explanation..... Now contrast that to what he said about iamp's voting. On iamp, he is completely casual regarding his voting. On his case on me, however, he's aggressive and incisive , as you can clearly tell from the quotes I posted above. Why does this make him scummy? Because it shows clear signs of fabrication, as one can easily infer from the quotes above. His views on "casual voting" are in complete contrast.
One more thing, that I ignored earlier. If he feels so strongly about me voting SnB without giving any reasoning or thoughts, why isn't he going after DP, who's actually done that not once, but TWICE??
Townie Motivation: none.
Scum motivation: he feels threatened that I have claimed miller and people are not showing signs of doubt on my claim.+ Show Spoiler +
tl;dr1) Blazinghand's case on me is uncharacteristically bad. It's also not consistent with his townie play on Liquid City. Look at his progression on Shiaopi, who was incidentally also making uncharacteristically bad cases as well. 2) Blazinghand is being supremely inconsistent, contradictory and hypocritical of what he defines as scum-motivated and what not, showing signs of someone who is merely fabricating cases, as detailed above. I tried to be as clear as possible here, because I don't want people to feel like this is just OMGUS. My votes on SnB and debears were more pressure votes, as if that wasn't pretty much clear. This one on blazinghand, is not. I think he's the best lynch so far, as everything I've stated seem to point on him being scum. ##Unvote##Vote Blazinghand
Remember what I said about Hapa not pressuring you earlier when you and DP both voted for SnB???
##Vote Z-Bo
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On November 18 2012 08:42 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 08:32 debears wrote:On November 18 2012 08:30 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 18 2012 08:25 debears wrote:On November 18 2012 07:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Joining the halfwit confirmation bias club, hopeless? When I wrote that post, I thought DP had many more votes. I remember this because I fucking wrote "in the godly situation that I get lynched". Of course, you can choose not to believe me. AT LEAST you have to realize that the votes were tied, as what you quoted just suggested.
DP, not hapa. Duh. Z-Bo, you are insulting what, 3 people now? Only one of us could possibly be scum, and chances are none of us 3 are. This is not how a town player about to get mislynched would act in a scenario with 8 fucking town and 1 scum left (there are 8 of us left right?). The odds of being mislynched in an 8:1 ratio is significantly higher. You would realize this as town and calm down by being helpful and reanalyzing the thread instead of calling people stupid. Calling people idiots doesn't help you at all as town. It makes me feel better though, especially when people are clearly clearly not giving a shit about the game and not making any sense. Everything I've said everyone is always making up a scum interpretation and using that as an argument, instead of simply looking at the simple and obvious explanation. The amount of misinformation and ignorance on what I've been saying is too damn high. The only one who actually attempted to get me lynched in a decent manner was BH. The lot of you are just throwing pebbles. Pisses me the hell off. I don't care about being lynched, but at least deal with what I've been saying and what I've been throwing in your faces all game long. Jesus. BECAUSE THERE ARE 8 TOWN AND ONE FUCKING SCUM/SK LEFT FFS. FIGURE IT OUT. IT'S FUCKING HARD DAMNIT TO FIND THE LAST SCUM See? Another flaw in reading and logic. Nothing I said in that post is a critique of how easy it is to find the last scum. People are clearly not giving a crap today, just compare it with yesterday. The difficulty of finding scum is not a testament or a hindrance to that. My newbie game in XXIV was cop/jk/vig vs framer/rb/goon. A miller less than here, and a godfather instead of a framer. I'd say... likely? Anyways, now that you are here, willing to talk, and have unvoted me, who would you be most willing to lynch if not for me?
SnB
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@Clarity
Remember how you said look for peoples interactions with Hapa? The post I made a couple of posts ago is a clear indicator of ignoring Hapa by Z-Bo and pushing BH only for doing the same thing
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you can't respond to the fact that you blatantly ignored Hapa and then accused BH of scum for doing the same thing Hapa did? I wonder why.....
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On November 18 2012 08:53 Z-BosoN wrote:
My focus was on BH. God you make bad points.
So, why is BH scummy for that and not Hapa when you made that post??
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On November 18 2012 08:55 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 08:53 debears wrote:
you can't respond to the fact that you blatantly ignored Hapa and then accused BH of scum for doing the same thing Hapa did? I wonder why..... What same thing? Not voting DP? Want me to go after everyone who didn't vote DP? I didn't go for Hapa d1 because I didn't think I'd get him lynched, said this already. But wait, nonono. Now you are saying that I didn't want to kill Hapa day one. Then you say I wanted to straight out bus him later on. Choose one or the other dude. I've been showing hostility on hapa for the longest of time. Get your story straight.
You can't just say, these guys both did the same thing, but only this one guy is scummy. In fact, you can't say that and completely fail to mention to other one who did it, especially when the other one that was ignored is indeed scum as we now know
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On November 18 2012 09:02 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 08:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
We can't because Keir has modified the setup. Stop it. this is wrong keirathi said he didn't modify the probabilities he only did one-for-one substitutions of some roles so we can calculate the odds of shit
SnB do you know the odds of the stuff I requested?
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Alright I'm out. I'm sticking with the Z-Bo vote now unless something big comes up
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On November 18 2012 09:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 09:05 iamperfection wrote:s&B you said you were busy playing dota here correct? just humor me for a second On November 17 2012 09:16 strongandbig wrote:oh yeah also this is for clarity ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MZ2fT.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gWpZ2.png) I started a dota game at 2:50 AM and it went for 38 minutes. I posted some "lol"s when I alt-tabbed out and saw the hapa lynch. I don't lie about that stuff. Lol the dates are wrong.
Are there dates on Dota2 replays in that exact spot? Can someone confirm this?
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