And like, I'm an uncontested blue claim in a way that makes no sense for scum, and I voted for and lynched Hapa. I really don't get why you're so stuck on me-- clearly you're just wrong, because nobody's being convinced. If you think SnB is town, that's fine, but make a case on someone other than me. I'm not getting lynched and honestly you're wasting your time and ours with this stuff.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 07:01 GMT

#2032

I'm done interacting with you.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 07:03 GMT

#2034

dude just think about all the mental contortions you put yourself through to explain A) the uncontested blue claim and B) the fact that I lynched hapa. did I like kill your father 10 years ago or what

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 07:04 GMT

#2035

Like at the very least, talk about other people in addition to talking about me cause right now I can't get a read on you other than "shitty"

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 07:10 GMT

#2036

And more than just town reads: I want you to produce a scum read other than "lol herp derp bh"

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 07:16 GMT

#2043

Like, Djo, clearly I'm not convincing you that I'm town, but given that your case is terrible and nobody agrees with you, I don't mind, as long as you continue to contribute. How do you expect us to catch scum or for anyone to get a read on you like this? I respect that you're replacing in for thrawn and you want to just go with some "gut" feeling rather than seriously analyzing my play, reading timestamps, or understanding the claim-- it's not easy to catch up. I probably would have voted for thrawn if he wasn't replaced. You are a replacement, so you get some leeway, even after this catastrophe of a play you've done so far. But we need reads, Djo. We need you to try to take a position.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 07:17 GMT

#2046

On November 16 2012 16:15 debears wrote:
Based on above thought, who does that leave?

Thrawn (Djo)
Z-Bo (Can't vote himself as scum or gives away hapa)
Clarity
SnB

Who has been least helpful while active?

I'd say thrawn or Snb. Since thrawn got replaced, I'm willing to give you time to show you are town.
Clarity I found town for d1. I still have to look at him again.
SnB has done absolutely nothing for town

Another reason to cut Djo some slack is that thrawn might have been unhelpful while active, but he DID end up getting replaced-- so we shouldn't hold that against Djo. Generally replacements should get a day of breathing room.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 07:20 GMT

#2049

On November 16 2012 16:18 debears wrote:
And Djo

What has SnB done for town? Nothing
What has BH done? Helped lynch the godfather

It'd be a stupid gambit for scum. Town cred is worthless d1 for a scum bus. THINK ABOUT IT

Another note, it'd probably be an infinitely better strat to do in reverse: Hapa, the godfather, who checks as town, should lynch me and bathe in glory (and he looked better than me at the time) and if anyone checks him, he comes back town.

I'm just not buying it. I'm me, of course, but like it sounds utterly implausible that I'm scum and me and Hapa talked and he was like "yeah man i think it's a good idea for you to lynch me"

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 07:30 GMT

#2051

I think it'll be worthwhile to sit down and reread Hapa and Crossfire's filter and voting patterns and cases with some fresh eyes tomorrow. I'm gonna get some sleep.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 19:25 GMT

#2154

Well, I can't say I care for setup speculation at all but hey, it's all good if it means djodref will contribute in ways other than trying to lynch me.

I'm sitting down and re-reading D1 now to get an associative case. S&B is being lynched and is probably flipping scum, but we should play as though he's gonna flip town in terms of continuing to analyze. Being caught flat-footed after a town flip would suck, and if he flips scum yeah we wasted some time but better safe than sorry.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 23:02 GMT

#2167

I think we should mass claim in the final hour of N2, personally. We could do it now but it'll be much more valuable if we let our DT have a second check.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 23:03 GMT

#2168

Really though it should be on the DT (or whoever the blue is who's still out there) to make this decision, not us.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 16 2012 23:59 GMT

#2173

When you bailed and decided lurking was the best strat

do you really think you've effectively addressed A) my claim and B) the Hapa lynch to the point where lynching me is a good idea? or is this your last hope as scum that I might be a worth mislynch, and some bads will jump on the wagon with you?

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 17 2012 00:03 GMT

#2177

Your interpretation of what happened in the final 2-3 minutes of D1 is pretty crappy. And honestly do you really think *I* took a page out of *your* scum-play book? I may not be an amazing scum player, but I sure don't want any of what you're selling.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 17 2012 00:03 GMT

#2178

On November 17 2012 09:02 strongandbig wrote:

Show nested quote +

lol
so my not posting for a while was enough to make you change your mind about all the points you made previously saying I was town? I don't believe that.
Plus, this is like the first time you've mentioned it.

It reaaaaaaaaaally looks to me like you're just trying to ride the wave of the popular lynch of the moment.

Tell you what, SnB. Vote me if you want, but make cases on someone other than me as well. If you really do flip town, I don't want you to have wasted all your time and energy pushing the jailkeeper.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 17 2012 00:05 GMT

#2179

And I suppose, fairly enough, I should take a page out of my own book and find another scum read in the unlikely event SnB flips town.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 17 2012 00:14 GMT

#2183

Um, yes, given how people have been attacking me, and ignoring the obvious points in my favor, I'm gonna re-mention them. Let me repeat them for you, since you clearly don't get them, or are choosing not to get them:

1) my claim does not make sense except from a town perspective, and is uncontested
2) I lynched hapa, which makes zero sense no matter how much you strain your small brain to wrap around it and contort your logic around it.

You have not resoundingly defeated either of these arguments. I would never borrow from YOUR meta. You're saying "I , SnB, have a meta of this kind of claim as scum, and BH was in a game in which I did that, therefore BH is fake-claiming this game" which makes no sense. In fact, in WLIIA Mafia scum could buy powers just like town, which made that kind of claim viable. This is a setup in which such a claim cannot be maintained. If this was an argument for "BH is a SK fakeclaiming Vigi" then it would make sense, but I claimed JK. Your logic is terrible.

And the hapa lynch is what it is.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 17 2012 00:18 GMT

#2185

Really dude, posting screenshots? First off, mentioning out of game stuff is a shitty way to play mafia and you know it. It's against the spirit of the game, and honestly it's mean-spirited. I'm going to talk to you about this in the post-game, extensively.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 17 2012 00:20 GMT

#2186

This isn't even about our argument. It's about how you play the game. Whether you're town or you're scum, that's not how you play mafia. I might as well keep my stream on constantly (though never streaming my web browser, of course) at any time I claim to be AFK and use that as evidence. What you've done here is incredibly unsportsmanlike.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 17 2012 00:21 GMT

#2187

Honestly, I expect more out of you, not as a scum or town player, but as a player in general and as a person. I guess my first read on you in that game so long ago was correct: SnB is a worthless mafia player.