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On November 07 2012 12:58 Rad wrote:
@djo
My trust in him is based on how similarly we seem to be thinking. You'd have to be a VT in this game to understand, I think. Surely anyone who is a VT this game had cheese's same thoughts rush through their mind when they noticed the lack of flavor text. We'd be like this little secret society, you see, that only we'd know about. Perhaps if we were just more experienced at the game we'd know this would be too OP, but we're newbies, and the idea was delicious.
Cheese had the thought and ran with it, explained it to debears, debears *high fived* cheese over it, and although I had that same thought at one point in the game, I PM'd the host as soon as cheese dropped the claim the first time. By the time they were high-fiving, I had already gotten back a response, and had been brewing over why a town would be claiming right now. Was he just a VT being wreckless, or a scum trying to get people to claim? Why claim at that point when there's no reason to? Wtf? There's absolutely no reason to claim right then. Is a scum cheese trying to pull some crazy shit? That's what first went through my mind, but i realized that no, there's no fucking way a scum would do this right now, trading scum life for possible (not even guaranteed) information is a terrible trade. I can see how clarity wouldn't have necessarily come to this conclusion though, so he kept his vote on cheese.
You need to look at clarity's reactions to cheese during that incident. They don't push blame, they're looking for all the appropriate answers, and everything he did (except not switching to debears) mirrored my own thoughts during the the scenario. Does that mean he's necessarily VT? Nah, but I was right about cheese and debears, and I think I'm right about clarity.
Djo, if he flips red, I fully expect to be lynched. But, do you think that's a good scum move to put myself out there so much? Do you think it's a good scum move to constantly defend him against your attacks if we're a scum team?
@ Rad
Thank you very much for this post. I don't think you could have made a post more "townie-like" than this one.
Anyway, you have shown some sympathy towards Clarity and Cheese because you could see yourself in their shoes. Do you understand now that my main and strongest point against Clarity is that he did not show any sympathy at all towards Cheese, with the same style of play and the same scumread ?
By the way, I think that you gave the idea of a PM to the host to the mafia team without realizing it ^^
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Please think about it again and then read again Obzy post that I have quoted. There is some gold in his spoiler.
Also notice how Clarity and Sylverfyre have stopped to play this game.
You were making fun of me last game when I have asked Roco bluntly if he was mafia or not. Guess what, I did the same move against sylver and the result is -> no denial
You should also be able to see this in Clarity behavior. I've been tunneling hard for 50 hours and there are no insults, no denial, not so many rebutals. Only defense and defense and desperate defense...
This is also indicative of mafia play ^^
I'm sorry Clarity by the way. I was litteraly raging at seeing you alive 
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On November 07 2012 14:40 sylverfyre wrote:
No surprises here. Nothing he's said has absolved him. And I have no reason to doubt Djo's alignment (though I still reserve the right to doubt his strategy calls - as risky as it was to claim, it worked. Well.
##Vote Clarity
Sorry I haven't been very active today. It's kinda my birthday and I had a really long day (I'm sure a few of you noticed the icon on me while server was on November 6)
da0ud, are you saying I'm preferred based on WIFOM that rad is more associated with clarity, therefore it ISN'T Rad? I attacked clarity pretty much right after the lynch Day 1.
You can detect a scum bussing his partner here because sylverfyre shows absolutely no doubt about Clarity alignment.
But sylver play was very scummy anyway. Active lurking, low investment in the game, poor scumhunting. Almost too scummy to be scum...
Clarity should have bussed him D1 imho...
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@ Clarity
You have played well. I've found you because you were too neutral and because you have reacted aggressivly to my advice on your list. Cheese claim was unfortunate for everybody and you should have not commented at that time.
And you were too much of a punching ball under my pressure. Townies are usually indignated under pressure.
If you had claimed VT when Rad was hard defending you (just before or.just after my claim), I think I would have entered a period of doubts.
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I would like to nominate Cheese as town MVP for his nicely timed claim...
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lol roleblock fail
sorry Alsn
sorry debears
Alsn roleclaim is legit btw the way, we share the extra info in common but I have failed to see it N1
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@ marv
I lol'd
Sorry I was phone posting and very excited ^^
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On November 07 2012 23:15 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 21:49 Djodref wrote:On November 07 2012 14:40 sylverfyre wrote:
No surprises here. Nothing he's said has absolved him. And I have no reason to doubt Djo's alignment (though I still reserve the right to doubt his strategy calls - as risky as it was to claim, it worked. Well.
##Vote Clarity
Sorry I haven't been very active today. It's kinda my birthday and I had a really long day (I'm sure a few of you noticed the icon on me while server was on November 6)
da0ud, are you saying I'm preferred based on WIFOM that rad is more associated with clarity, therefore it ISN'T Rad? I attacked clarity pretty much right after the lynch Day 1. You can detect a scum bussing his partner here because sylverfyre shows absolutely no doubt about Clarity alignment. But sylver play was very scummy anyway. Active lurking, low investment in the game, poor scumhunting. Almost too scummy to be scum... Clarity should have bussed him D1 imho... You also showed absolutely no doubt about his alignment. You want to know what I found damning?
@ Sylver
Are you accusing me to be scum ?
I've never said I was 100% sure of myself before his claim. Maybe I've said 95%...
As I've said, we have extra info (Alsn and me) to know for sure that blue Clarity was impossible.
Anyway, argue all the way you want, you are my next "tunnel to the death" target and you are spending your night in jail.
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On November 07 2012 23:19 sylverfyre wrote:
I'll also point out you aren't flaming anyone else for being sure about Clarity. Why me? I was posting about him early, but one of the last ones to vote because I wasn't sure and your arguments don't make sense to me.
Why you ? You are the scummiest player alive to begin with
Alsn is 100% confirmed blue in my eyes. I would like everybody to accept this as a fact...
Obzy and daoud are very likely to be town considering the way they reacted to Cheese claim, even if it was after the fact. I really like how they directly went for Clarity and his fake "PM to marv". As far as I know, only you and Rad believed in this PM. I know daoud town meta and he shows his usual paranoia.
Daoud has accused me of bussing my partner and wants to go after me if Clarity flips green. I don't think any mafia player would imagine such bullshit 
Obzy has made a very good case against Clarity while Clarity case against Obzy was totally half-assed. The way Clarity attacked Obzy hints very strongly at a town Obzy. Not to mention the incredible emotional post he gave us.
Rad hard-defense of Clarity was motivated because of his sympathy for Clarity which is a townie feeling. For example, your play shows apathy. So my list of players is like, from the most townie to most scummy:
Alsn
Obzy
Daoud
Rad
Sylverfyre
I hope for you that you are the roleblocker
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On November 08 2012 00:39 sylverfyre wrote:
No I'm not accusing you to be scum. I'm saying you have massive confirmation bias about me.
Clarity was saying the same thing...
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On November 07 2012 23:54 Alsn wrote:
I gotta leave for those two hours I was talking about pretty soon. But I'd like to point out that there's a pretty easy way to proceed once Clarity flips red. Djod blocks someone he thinks is the last scum(and tells us, last minute I think is best, since he could theoretically be blocking a town who got attacked, although I'd say the chances of that are slim to none), if Djod or someone else dies, whoever Djod blocked is guaranteed to be town. If no one dies, we have less information, but we have a prime lynch candidate because even if the last scum "faked" not killing anyone, we get another chance at having Djod block is top scum read the next night, and so on, until we find the real scum.
@ Alsn
No, a mafia roleblocker would block and kill me. I've already asked marv about it...
So if sylverfyre is mafia RB, he wouldn't be confirmed even if I die while saying he is in jail
I think it's possible for us to have 2 mafia RB by the way. Let's not discard any possibility.
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On November 08 2012 00:46 sylverfyre wrote:
Also Djo, if you're secretly a scum roleblocker and lucked out that there is no jailkeeper and only 1 power role, I WILL hate you for this play.
@ Sylverfyre
Don't make me laugh, I'm going to achieve 20 pages filter when you have 5 and I would be the scum.
I told you that Alsn and me share the same secret "extra information" that you were asking me for. We are both 100% confirmed to each other.
The fact that Clarity could not write a proper case against Obzy is a very strong proof that Obzy is town. Mafia writes good cases when they bus, but it's way more difficult for them when they have to frame. On top of that, Obzy shows a very likely behavior for a first time player as VT. I would also say that he deserves his victory if his emotional post was fake.
@ OnbzyOnce again, congrats for your analysis on Clarity
According to me, the remaining scum is among Rad, daoud and you. You look the worst among these 3 so you spend your night in my jail. That is if you are not a mafia roleblocker...
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On November 08 2012 00:44 sylverfyre wrote:
I believe Clarity's scum for my own reasons. Your reasons suck. Forcing out a claim -> counterclaim sucked, though it 100% confirms that Clarity is scum. Why should we believe you about any of your other scum reads? What if we rely on Alsn at night, but the person he investigates is framed because you're wrong about me? You've completely turned the game into power roles vs. power roles, us vanilla townies have no power right now. We have to follow our blues now.
@ sylverfyre
Yeah, sure. Thank you for your support. I don't know if we would have been able to lynch Clarity today without you.
Truth being told, I don't feel like I've committed enough for this lynch. I'll give you the town credit that you deserve when Clarity flips red.
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DISCLAIMER - A Mafia RoleBlocker would kill me even if I target him
Conclusion => I cannot confirm anyone with my power
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@ Rad
I would worry about this kind of shit after the flip
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@ Rad
Compare the quality of the claims from Alsn and me and the claim from Clarity. Please note that Clarity is AWOL.
Don't be stupid, don't waste your time. By the way, you are very close to find the key for the "extra information" which Alsn and me are sharing. Unfortunately, we cannot really disclose it ^^
Anyway, Alsn and me are confirming each other, so we must be the scumteam which you are looking for if Clarity flips blue.
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I'll sleep happy tonight ^^
Going to wake up with red blood spilling on the floor
GG Clarity, sorry for the imb4 counter-claim but the cases should have been enough I think...
Long life to free porn !
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I'm seriously going afk now but I would recommend you to studg how Clarity handles sylverfyre during D1 and D2.
Association case incoming after the lynch ^^
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On November 08 2012 02:08 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 00:58 Djodref wrote:On November 08 2012 00:46 sylverfyre wrote:
Also Djo, if you're secretly a scum roleblocker and lucked out that there is no jailkeeper and only 1 power role, I WILL hate you for this play. @ SylverfyreDon't make me laugh, I'm going to achieve 20 pages filter when you have 5 and I would be the scum. I told you that Alsn and me share the same secret "extra information" that you were asking me for. We are both 100% confirmed to each other. The fact that Clarity could not write a proper case against Obzy is a very strong proof that Obzy is town. Mafia writes good cases when they bus, but it's way more difficult for them when they have to frame. On top of that, Obzy shows a very likely behavior for a first time player as VT. I would also say that he deserves his victory if his emotional post was fake. @ OnbzyOnce again, congrats for your analysis on Clarity According to me, the remaining scum is among Rad, daoud and you. You look the worst among these 3 so you spend your night in my jail. That is if you are not a mafia roleblocker... A TWENTY PAGE FILTER IS RIDICULOUS. Does anyone in the Acme mafia game have a 20 page filter? I looked at a bunch of them. Most active players have around 5 pages. The most active players have 8 and 9 page filters. It's night 2 over there. BTW, they also are a 13 player game and have 20 less pages than we do. You post like a madman. I think you're right about Clarity, but I also think you're crazy and full of confirmation bias.
@ Sylverfyre
Are you angry because the scumteam got nailed during D1 ?
Y u no concede ?
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@Alsn
I have a very good feeling when I see Obzy and daoud acknoledge each other. My town read on them is reinforced.
Nice job guys ! Good grasp of the situation
Would you also conclude that the remaining scum is sylver or Rad ?
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