EPTIt's ok this game is hard. It requires a great investment. I feel that your post is honest and sincere.
If you think you can trust me, please sheep my vote on Clarity
Newbie Mini Mafia XXX - Page 16
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
It's ok this game is hard. It requires a great investment. I feel that your post is honest and sincere. If you think you can trust me, please sheep my vote on Clarity | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 07 2012 11:28 sylverfyre wrote: Djo, what exactly, to be clear, are you calling out as Clarity's lie? Please wait for my final case for your answer. Anyway I cannot call him a liar if he does not claim blue. If he is blue then he has lied before and I'm not going to say where before he claims. This is a battle of information between the scumteam and me right now. Please trust me when I am saying that I have more information at my disposal than him because I'm truly the jailkeeper. He would be able to show me his contradiction if we were sharing the same amount of info ^^ But, most importantly, please analyze both our behaviors. Who looks guilty ? Who lloks confident ? Why would I push him so hard for a claim at the risk of having everyone against me ? Check all the cases that I've brought against Clarity so far and balance them with the points that I've been made against me. I guess that you can figure out by yourself that you have to vote Clarity today... By the way, are you scum ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:11 Clarity_nl wrote: I still don't see the reason for claiming, but after him saying he'll wait until I claim to show the flavor of his pm I'm inclined to believe him. Marv told me that blue roles are not allowed to claim with flavor, only with their vanilla role names, like djo did. I figured I would ask in case he made up something. Please explain better why you claimed, djo. I don't see "because I was being told I was blue hunting" as a reason. Why do you want me to claim? and I've already said what I asked marv, why don't you read the damn thread. I can at least give you a first reason why I'm sure Clarity is not blue. There is a second reason that I'm going to keep for myself at the moment. Please note how Clarity said, "marv told me" ! I knew this rule regarding the blue flavor as well but I knew it from the beginning. Marv didn't tell me anything about it, it's already in my role PM. Even if its a poor wording choice from Clarity, a blue Clarity would have understood that we share the same info and would have directly believed my claim at 100%. You can see that he is doubting it later in the thread. I hope this is enough to convince you that Clarity is not blue. So you can realize that he is either scum or very bad and stubborn VT. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 07 2012 10:12 Clarity_nl wrote: Djo you sure are betting a lot of town's stack on me. What if you are wrong about me and I'm blue, and I claimed because you pushed me to? Now there are two exposed blue roles and we spent 48 hours doing nothing but hunting me. You answered your own question. It's not hard for me to claim VT, regardless of my alignment. @ Rad What do you think of this post ? Is it more likely to come from a scum Clarity, a blue Clarity or a VT Clarity ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 07 2012 03:48 Djodref wrote: More on the interactions between Clarity and Cheese Don't you see how this post reeks of guiltiness ? Please notice how Clarity avoided to push during all this game... If you are town and someone is playing the same way you play and is attacked for the same things that you are attacked. there is no WIFOM. The only thing that you should do is sympathize and defend this guy ![b/] @ Rad What do you think of this post ? Does it look like a scum Clarity ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 07 2012 12:17 Rad wrote: It's a hypothetical, so I can't really read into it. I agree with him, what if he's blue and you pushed him so hard he had to claim? With you showing why you're sure he's not blue, well, that gives you even more blue credit IMO, but doesn't take away VT potential from him. I do (now) get why you pushed so hard to try to make him claim blue though. [b]@ Rad[b] Because I have a trump card against a fakeclaim from Clarity He would be 100% scum if he claimed blue so I wanted him to claim. But I hope my first point is enough to make you understand that he is not blue. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
If you are still inclined to believe in a VT Clarity, how would you evaluate his amount and quality of scumhunting ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'll prepare a final case against Clarity. But one more question, do you think it makes sense from a VT perspective to keep for yourself a critical information ? Cheese reaction after his discovery was to believe that he could use the flavor as a way to confirm himself to all the other VTs. I don't see why Clarity would have thought in a different manner just before asking his question to marv. That's why I wanted to know what he exactly asked to marv. I wanted to know how he brought his discovery to the host. Anyway, he gets relevant information and doesn't imagine that another VT could have done the same. His logical reasoning shows that he is mafia here because in his story, he thinks first at the mafia perspective "I can see who is going to fakeclaim" rather than at the VT perspective "i need to share this information". | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I would start to look for his scum mate or concede ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
By the way, today is not even over yet. I know that Clarity has a lot of pressure if he is town so we ll see what ahppen. Hopefully he flips roleblocker and I can jail the last scum. I have doubts on Alsn you and sylverfyre. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
What do you think about the fact that Clarity never wanted to share the exact question he asked ? @ daoud why would I be scum if Claritg flips town ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I would like Clarity to claim, regardless of his alignment @ Clarity you must realize that you are going to get lynched today. I feel sorry for you, regardless of your alignment... No hard feelings I hope. If you are town, I think that the best move for you is to claim your role and to give us the exact qiestion you have asked to marv... It's up to you.. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Rad story looks ok too, the breadcrumb is nice, but I'm going to have some doubts of course ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I think it's really nice to have the story of everyone on how they reacted to Cheese claim. I like your story, I like daoud and obzy stories. I dont like Clarity reaction at all to the claim and I can see that sylverfyre has not given his thoughts yet... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
seriously daoud if clarity flips town I dont think I'm going to be alive on D3. But I like your enthusiasm ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
This guy couldn't even read properly that I've jailed him for being mafia ^^ so I would say sylverfyre and Clarity scumteam ! Or Obzy is the best newbie I have ever seen | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Also I need to drive... I cannot decide now, I'll come back to you. But I can tell you that I guess that Alsn is going to claim. @ sylver I officialy consider you as part of the scumteam. What do you have to say to defend yourself ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 07 2012 08:57 Obzy wrote: Bleh. I had typed up a response to your post, Djo, but accidentally closed the tab  I don't want to retype it; but basically, I don't really understand why you'd want me to rationally discuss with Clarity when you intend to lynch him. I'm gonna post what I wrote so far (It's a long filter analysis up until about where Djo starts attacking Clarity).+ Show Spoiler + Okay so I'm typing this in a text file so if the formatting is stupid I apologize in advance lol. (sorry for the lol, da0ud ^^) With regards to Clarity and why he is scum: I am going to spoiler this because I'm basically just going through his filter point by point and taking things that I can comment on. + Show Spoiler + I think the two things to take away from all this though: - Debears defended Cheese - Djodref tunneling Cheese All three of these people are town. Just as a side note. (If somebody would like my thoughts on Djo's JK claim, I can deliver.) Last three pages was djo, you and me. Still no word from da0ud and sylver. I think you are wrong in saying Obzy is useless. He might not have posted a lot but he makes good points or asks decent questions when he does, maybe you feel that way because he's biggest post is directed at you? This was in response to debears asking Clar if anything stood out as weird - I don't really think it's particularly important, but I thought it funny that he commented he didn't think I was useless at that time period. [With regards to Clar's list of reads] Considered Djo slightly scum, null on deb, null on Cheese. Slightly town on myself. So with all that said, I only have two slight scumreads on Alsn and Djo, I am no longer suspect of Alsn, at least not as much. Although he seems to have a hard on for debears and djo he's making decent points and trying to further conversation. Cool, so Alsn was down with debears and Djo. Mental note I guess. Cautions Rad about the perils of not having any reads - Ehn Comments at 16:22 Nov4 that he'll be making a case (or multiple) that day, to Djo. Specifically namedrops Hapa and comments he'll ignore the advice people follow, taking issue with its quality. (Apologizes later.) (In a response to Djo): On November 04 2012 17:20 Clarity_nl wrote: Top 3 choices in my eyes are Debears, Sylver and you. As for people who haven't answered my questions: Alsn, Cheese, Sylver. I'll have to look and see if he pushes Sylver at all. He mentions Cheese not looking scummy ~16ish hours before the deadline. Posts a defense from debears' post. On November 05 2012 02:54 Clarity_nl wrote: If you are town you can talk your way out of a lynch regardless. It's not like I would've posted my case an hour beforehand, right about now is when I would've posted it. I am currently working on a different case while also answering questions, so please bear with me. I will keep djo's case on hand in case I get lynched. I will post it before the deadline if it seems I'll die. Otherwise saving it for D2 Okay so apparently he had planned on posting a case on Djo today. That obviously will not occur unless da0ud claims JK or something, but w/e. I find the line "If you are town you can talk your way out of a lynch regardless" somewhat amusing; as a side note - I don't really know if he's talking about Djo or just in general. He posts a case on debears, that looks fairly legitimate if the knowledge that debears was VT didn't exist. (Votes DB at that time) - When debears asks him to post his case on Djo, he chooses not to, largely because he intends to on Day 2 or if he is going to be lynched. He (afterwards) mentions that he doesn't want to post a case on Djo if Djo won't be there to defend himself - I really don't like this. Why would you care if the person wasn't around to defend themselves if you think they're scum? And if you don't think they're scum, why would you post a case on them? I guess he can have points for Chivalry, but I think that he didn't want to post a case because he knew Djo was town. Clar has some commentary on how staying neutral isn't bad D1, I disagree with this, but I've already covered that in this post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=379514¤tpage=40#785 (It happens to be the one that I mention not feeling comfortable about voting CC - this is still taking place before debears picks up that CC is trying to claim.) Then the CC claim stuff - By this point, I had voted Clar largely due to process of elimination. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=379514¤tpage=37#730 I liked Djo and debears' cases, I didn't like Clarity's case on debears, and between Clar and Sylv, I voted Clar. (I largely got my town read on db _because_ he hadn't gone and pointed out that I was sort of shitty and thus Mafia, despite having questioned me.) After CC's claim, Clarity mentioned that assumptions couldn't be made based on host behavior. This didn't make sense to me unless he was blue or scum, which he addressed later- I couldn't really find fault with that at the time, it seemed like he had just been thinking more than I had if he was VT yet asked about the VT flavor. He brings up a quote of mine telling him to convince me who _is_ scum, rather than trying to convince me that he isn't- he basically says that he's too busy defending himself to push his scumreads. On November 05 2012 09:28 Clarity_nl wrote: I think if Cheese flips red there's no way debears is scum.... 9 player mafia and scum busses eachother day 1? No way. Given that he'd posted a case on DB, this looks relevant; but if he knew Cheese had no chance of flipping red, it doesn't hurt the fact he's only actually made a case on debears (up until this point) at all. Gets angry at CC for not defending himself (I concur with this) but then votes him for his defense being WIFOM, over his scumread of debears? _And then says, On November 05 2012 09:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Wait, so you're voting debears to save yourself when you're VT? What the hell. Debears was his scumread and vote up until this point, and when CC changes his vote to be on Debears, he questions it. Why why why. There should be zero confusion if CC really was VT, given that he is basically agreeing with what Clarity had assumed up until this point; but once Clarity switches, he questions it. Clar mentions that the logical thing to do would be to jump on him to save himself, instead of Djo, then debears, then him. Djo is town, debears is town, ??? The comment looks like it's trying to indicate that "Clarity must be town, CC did not considering jumping onto him at first" to me. I will try to continue this later tonight, but I'm done for the moment. I'm going to catch up a few posts in the thread and then be afk for a couple of hours (until my work day ends, I get home, and I finish eating dinner) - I wanted to get my point-by-point thoughts to Alsn before he had to o to sleep. | ||
| ||
