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On November 07 2012 03:17 Rad wrote:
Oh god, djo's still going at it even after my last post.
##Unvote
I'll get to your questions when I get a chance. Keep in mind I'm working atm, so even if you can't sleep djo, I don't have time right now to fight with you. I spent time on my last post because it spelled shit out for you, but you ignored it, or maybe you just can't grasp it. If you want me to be on the clarity lynch train with you, you better come out with better arguments because I'm reading him as town. Maybe obzy will jump in and scum hunt clarity with a clear head since he's at least clearly not confirmation biased against him.
@ Rad
Can you tell me what Clarity has done for town ?
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Yeah, I have been stupid, it's the first time for me to be jail keeper.
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On November 07 2012 03:24 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 02:52 Djodref wrote:Ok, I have big news for you guys You have all pissed me off seriously with all the "no blue hunting" comments and so on. I want Clarity to give us his role. Don't worry about outing the blues, I'm going to do this myseld: I claim Jail keeperYou can find the breadcrumb here On November 03 2012 13:06 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 12:48 debears wrote:
Also answer my very important question to you @ debearsDid I answer your question ? I'm not sure which one you were talking about. I guessed it was the one about "why cheese and not me?" I need to go to attend a wedding at Souel Gardien Hoteal soon so I would like to know you have more questions. Gardien means keeper in French. Look it up. Add this to my act of bravado and all the stuff I've said about the roles and the blues and my jailkeeper post during N1 On November 05 2012 16:07 Djodref wrote:@ daoudYou are right but this kind of reasoning could lead us into a WIFOM hell. In my honest opinion, Clarity is very likely to be scum, so a possible jailkeeper would have good chances to prevent him from killing. Maybe the mafia is going to listen to me as well and use the other member to carry the night kill, maybe they are going to use Clarity anyway, maybe I'm totally wrong and Clarity is town. I don't know and I don't even know if we have a jailkeeper but I would say that it's the best thing for him to do. Anyway, it's down to the jailkeeper decision (if he exists), he could also decide to jail me to give me protection. I wouldn't mind this  and I think you can understand my frustration about being called a blue-hunter. I have blocked Alsn N1 by the way because I thought he was scum with Clarity. But right now, I would say that Rad and Clarity is the scumteam ! Jailkeeper eh? I was sure you were cop and that you had a red read on clarity (and that there's a framer who framed him). That explained to me why you were so passionately hellbent on him being scum. Hrm. Why block alsn over trying to save debears since you thought that was the obvious NK? Isn't it more of a shot in the dark that alsn a) is scum and b) will be the one to make the kill, than it would have been that debears (or me, tbh) was the target of the NK?
@ Rad
Tell me you have done for town during D1 and N1 to deserve a NK ?
By the way, all your stuff regarding my latest arguments against Clarity are just points to show that he didn't ask the question. It's kind of bullshit because I don't believe him from the beginning. I have better stuff incoming.
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On November 07 2012 03:27 Alsn wrote:
Oh wait, he says he JK'd me because he thought I was scum?
yeah, I have been stupid, by the way you did not comment my "mini-case" against you at the end of N1
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On November 07 2012 03:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay... I'm back.
A few questions pop to mind immediately.
Djo, why did you claim? I don't think you were in any real danger of getting lynched, and I don't think this changes anything about your suspicion of me.
I claimed because I'm fed up with the "no blue hunt" position that everyone has here" and I want you to claim and provide the question you asked to marv. And I don't want people to waste their time thinking if I'm scum or not
What is the flavor in your PM?
I'll wait for you to claim before answering this question
Why do you want me to claim so bad?
because I hate the way you are denying me information
Why do you believe that outing yourself at blue makes it less likely that you were blue hunting? You obviously do not want to use your abilities on other blues.
Are you saying that I'm scum ?
Why didn't you protect debears? You explained he was an obvious NK candidate.
I was stupid
If you jailed Alsn N1, why did you suspect him today? Why did you "pressure vote" him and now take it back?
I've been suspicious of Alsn but Rad is ever more suspicious today. I don't understand his "hard defense" stance from a town perspective
I have some calls to make right now, after that I'll read through some filters and be back.
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More on the interactions between Clarity and Cheese
On November 05 2012 07:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Alsn
I don't think there's a way for me to comment on cheese without screwing myself over. I don't think "staying neutral" is a scum tell on D1, but people clearly think so since it's the lynchpin (lol) of the cases on me.
Don't you see how this post reeks of guiltiness ?
On November 05 2012 07:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think that if you were to go on: being neutral and not making points = scum (on day 1) then Cheese would be a good target.
I'm not convinced that it's scummy though, as I think keeping a clear head and taking in as much information as possible is most important day 1. I find there are always people to push information out of others, and I feel that (for me personally) if I push people I tend to get confirmation bias, so I avoid it early.
Please notice how Clarity avoided to push during all this game...
On November 05 2012 07:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
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Let me rephrase... I don't think that because you're not pushing hard /you're not accusing someone of being scum is being scummy. I actually feel that (WIFOM incoming) scum wants to be active in this format, and gain town favor early, ride that out to a win.
@ Rad
He's being accused of the same things I am, if I argue for/against Cheese it'll all be major WIFOM
If you are town and someone is playing the same way you play and is attacked for the same things that you are attacked. there is no WIFOM. The only thing that you should do is sympathize and defend this guy ![b/]
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On November 07 2012 03:42 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 03:34 Rad wrote:
@djo
great, waiting for better stuff on clarity.
I feel I was a good target because a) I'm town and b) I like my style of scum hunting and feel it should be scary to people (if I'm on the right track with my thoughts, that is). My not being NK'd prompted my FoS on obzy and yourself due to what I've already said about scum not wanting to NK someone who thinks they're town (like we saw last game). EBWOP: Also, let me point out that more people considered me town than considered debears town.
@ Rad
I don't think that you were a danger for the mafia. Not really pushing anyone, no big cases, no strong stances...
Where are your cases by the way ?
You should stop the defense mode and start to find a better target than Clarity if you want to stick to your guns 
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I'm sorry debears for not protecting you...
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@ sylverfyre
Could you stay for a little while and give us your thoughts on the latest events ?
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On November 06 2012 13:35 Djodref wrote:<skip> Secondly, my arguments are not stupid. If we assume that we have a town Clarity having a scum read on scum Djodref. Then, town Clarity is - Letting other players putting pressure on scum Djodref, missing the opportunity to assess his innocence to everyone by showing townie behavior
- Avoiding a golden opportunity to put pressure on scum Djodref
- The reason that town Clarity gave for this is that he didn't want scum Djodref to have time to prepare his defense against his case, which means that his scumread on me is indeed "stronger and stronger"
- Town Clarity does not want to post his case against scum Djodref at timing when is sure that scum Djodref cannot prepare his defense
- Scum Djodref has somehow threatened town Clarity into not posting his case, scum Djodref is proposing himself for the lynch to look town, scum Djodref posts a case against town Clarity and town Clarity reaction to all this is to posts a case against debears, which has turned out to be town. Town Clarity has yet failed to post his case against scum Djodref.
- Town Clarity doesn't have clear scumreads at the moment
I post my arguments again because I want to promote my lynch target ! Rad had bashed me for these points before...
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And what do you think of Clarity being unable to give me his question to marv in a minute ?
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Ok, I've done all this because I don't believe him when he tells us about the PM he has sent to marv.
He was retaining information to prevent "blue-hunting"
Now that I have outed myself, I want him to claim his role and to give us the exact question he has asked to marv.
And the more time it takes, the more suspicious I am (if it's even possible)
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On November 07 2012 04:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
I still don't see the reason for claiming, but after him saying he'll wait until I claim to show the flavor of his pm I'm inclined to believe him.
Marv told me that blue roles are not allowed to claim with flavor, only with their vanilla role names, like djo did. I figured I would ask in case he made up something.
Please explain better why you claimed, djo. I don't see "because I was being told I was blue hunting" as a reason.
Why do you want me to claim? and I've already said what I asked marv, why don't you read the damn thread.
@ Clarity
I've claimed because I wanted some leverage to lynch you.
Are you a Regular Fapper ?
Are you a blue ?
or..
Are you scum ?
Do not waste time and go scumhunt (if you are town) because I think that your life depends on this right now...
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@ Clarity
My claim makes sense and I hope to be considered as confirmed town soon. With this statis, my opinions carry more weight because other town players can fully trust me.
Don't you see how much I have committed to lynch you ? I hope I can move people with my commitment !
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I don't think that you are town but, right now, the ball is in your court...
You and Rad have a big fight to give to survive. We still have some time so I change still change my mind ^^
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Because you gave strong hints that you are blue, which is something that I cannot believe, being blue myself.
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Yes, my reactions are going to differ... I'll have strong suspicions against you in any case but I might be able to believe one of them.
I have no fucking idea why you were so reluctant to give any information. And honestly, the only thing I am waiting from your side right now is to find me someone who is more likely to be scum than you.
You are wasting your time while discussing with me...
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I told you to go scumhunt in both...
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@ Rad
I would like you to answer my previous questions for you, especially the one with the reference to a possible Clarity PM to marv and the one where I ask you to summarize your scum hunting D1/N1.
By the way, the fact that you are using the information that you were not NKed to switch your focus to the people that you were having townreads on in a list that you made ages ago is utter bullshit. Because there is no way for you to know why you not being NKed. Absolutely no way !
Seriously, what was that shit ?
Do you personally believe that Clarity is blue ?
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@ Rad
I think he wanted to say something like, "I think you know that I'm town too"
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