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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 11:46 GMT
#1254
I think that you are blue or scum because a VT Clarity would have defended Cheese.
But I don t think that you can really be blue...

So there is a big chance for you to be scum

call it confirmation bias if you want, I dont understand why you want argue with me...

Y u no scumhunt ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 12:01 GMT
#1256
ok, we have now 2 VT dead. Both of them were at least as experienced on playing mafia on this forum if not more for debears. Both of them did not ask the host about the flavor or whatever.

Here is what I expect of VT Clarity
~ not sending a question to the host about the flavor in your own VT pm, which Clarity did
~ even with some doubts, recognize the genuiness of the other two VT going into a high five festival and join the festival, which Clarity did not do

My conclusion: you are not VT or it s really unlikely and you have not natural reactions for a newbie

please tell me where I am wrong
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 12:32 GMT
#1259
On November 06 2012 21:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 21:01 Djodref wrote:
ok, we have now 2 VT dead. Both of them were at least as experienced on playing mafia on this forum if not more for debears. Both of them did not ask the host about the flavor or whatever.

Here is what I expect of VT Clarity
~ not sending a question to the host about the flavor in your own VT pm, which Clarity did
~ even with some doubts, recognize the genuiness of the other two VT going into a high five festival and join the festival, which Clarity did not do

My conclusion: you are not VT or it s really unlikely and you have not natural reactions for a newbie

please tell me where I am wrong


You are wrong in the fact that no matter which role I am I would have noticed the flavor difference in PM and OP.
This automatically answers your second point, why the hell would I go into a high five festival, giving scum more info about who's VT and who's blue.


Do you have any idea the power you would have given to town with 3 confirmed townies ?
No, you wanted to avoid this, so you spread doubt and confusion.

My point is that you would have sympatize with debears and cheese if you were also a VT, especially with Cheese because you had no reason to suspect him beforehand (his play being very similar to yours), even with the extra information that you had, because you would have been before in their position, ie with no information at all.

Did you see debears reaction after this, he tried to confirm all the VT alltogether. It would have ended the game...

I'm sorry but you are not VT, and I hope that all the other VTs in this game can realize this after this poat.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 13:02 GMT
#1264
On November 06 2012 21:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
Answer my damn question, what did you mean by "given your experience this game"



I mean that you are a newb, and newb dont go and ask questions to the host.

Ok, Clarity, I have a question for you.

Let's assume for an instant that you are Clarity the regular fapper.
According to you, what would have thought Clarity the regular fapper when he realized the flavors were different between the OP and the PM ?

On a side note, your scumhunting looks like a defense move...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 14:46 GMT
#1269
Instinctively, I would say that the 2 mafia players are among Clarity, Alsn and sylverfyre because of their reaction/no reaction to Cheese claim and the follow-ups.

I would like to know if anyone was sharing this point of view ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 14:54 GMT
#1270
@ sylverfyre

Could you give me your own sum-up of your scumhunting actions so far ?
Who would you like to lynch today ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 14:58 GMT
#1271
I'm not planning to post tonight because I'm tired and I need to be able to think clearly. I'm going to drop Clarity for a while because the fact that other players give him a town read makes me crazy...

Alsn, you are not matching at all your usual activity level as town and you have only targeted town players until now (debears and Cheese). What is happening to you ?


I'm using my vote to pressure you into making cases

##unvote
##Vote Alsn
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 15:20 GMT
#1272


Why it is very unlikely for Clarity to be town




  • Clarity states that he has contacted marv about the flavor for the VT role PM. In my opinion, this is unlikely. Have you yourself contacted marv about this or even thought about it ? Judge by yourself...
  • Even if Clarity doesn't lie about contacting marv, he chose to keep the information for himself. Town move or anti-town move ? Judge by yourself...
  • Clarity has doubted Cheese claim while he would have been in a perfect situation to sympathize with him if he was town. Same kind of play, unfair attacks against them for the same reasons and both of them have noticed the difference between the OP and the role PM. Yet Clarity doubts his genuine claim and lynches him shouting "WIFOM DEFENSE"
  • Clarity let people pressure his scum reads for him and does not seriously push lynches. This is against the rule that townies have to establish their townieness. If I was in his shoes, I would have written plenty of cases against Djodref. Yet I have seen no case against me (sadface).
  • Clarity filter is lacking of scumhunting (I don't count the debears case because debears was town) and is mainly centered on a defense position. Obzy and me have been telling him to start scumhunting seriously. Judge by yourselves...



I couldn't resist before going to bed ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 16:04 GMT
#1273
Just a sudden idea that has troubled my sleep...

Would anyone be up for a lynch on sylverfyre today ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 17:39 GMT
#1281
sorry guys, I really cannot sleep, this game keeps me awake and fucks up my mind

[b]@ Rad[b]

Could you address the questions I've addressed to you before ?

Do you mind me asking why you spend so much time defending Clarity when you should be scumhunting ? What is your interest in all this ?

@ Sylver

I know that is was not possible to solve the game with a mass roleclaim. I wanted to say that confirmed town players are more important than blue roles.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 17:44 GMT
#1282
@ Alsn

Clarity didn't want me to have time to prepare my defense against his case to begin with

On November 05 2012 02:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 02:33 Djodref wrote:
one more question clarity, why didn't you discuss with me about my "scuminess" last time.

By the way, the lynch is in 7.5 hours which makes it at 10 am for me. It is 2.30am now and I am working tomorrow so I have the right to sleep


Wait, where are you living currently?
I didn't want to discuss your scumminess with you because I'd rather have an entire case up, rather than tell you then and give you time to prepare and possible post stuff to contradict my arguements before my case goes up.


Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 17:44 GMT
#1284
##Unvote
##Vote Clarity_nl
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 17:52 GMT
#1288
Ok, I have big news for you guys

You have all pissed me off seriously with all the "no blue hunting" comments and so on.

I want Clarity to give us his role.

Don't worry about outing the blues, I'm going to do this myseld: I claim Jail keeper

You can find the breadcrumb here

On November 03 2012 13:06 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 12:48 debears wrote:
Also answer my very important question to you


@ debears

Did I answer your question ? I'm not sure which one you were talking about. I guessed it was the one about "why cheese and not me?"
I need to go to attend a wedding at Souel Gardien Hoteal soon so I would like to know you have more questions.


Gardien means keeper in French. Look it up.
Add this to my act of bravado and all the stuff I've said about the roles and the blues and my jailkeeper post during N1

On November 05 2012 16:07 Djodref wrote:
@ daoud

You are right but this kind of reasoning could lead us into a WIFOM hell.

In my honest opinion, Clarity is very likely to be scum, so a possible jailkeeper would have good chances to prevent him from killing. Maybe the mafia is going to listen to me as well and use the other member to carry the night kill, maybe they are going to use Clarity anyway, maybe I'm totally wrong and Clarity is town. I don't know and I don't even know if we have a jailkeeper but I would say that it's the best thing for him to do.
Anyway, it's down to the jailkeeper decision (if he exists), he could also decide to jail me to give me protection. I wouldn't mind this


and I think you can understand my frustration about being called a blue-hunter.

I have blocked Alsn N1 by the way because I thought he was scum with Clarity.

But right now, I would say that Rad and Clarity is the scumteam !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 17:52 GMT
#1289
@ Clarity

Your role and your question to marv, RIGHT NOW !!!!!
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 17:54 GMT
#1290
On November 07 2012 02:46 Alsn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 02:44 Djodref wrote:
@ Alsn

Clarity didn't want me to have time to prepare my defense against his case to begin with

On November 05 2012 02:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 05 2012 02:33 Djodref wrote:
one more question clarity, why didn't you discuss with me about my "scuminess" last time.

By the way, the lynch is in 7.5 hours which makes it at 10 am for me. It is 2.30am now and I am working tomorrow so I have the right to sleep


Wait, where are you living currently?
I didn't want to discuss your scumminess with you because I'd rather have an entire case up, rather than tell you then and give you time to prepare and possible post stuff to contradict my arguements before my case goes up.


Yea, so? What's the scum motivation behind that? Explain to me why a town would discuss parts of his case with someone he considers scum beforehand?


@ Alsn

Yes, I understand this point, but what about the fact that he backs off after that because I'm pressuring him and chose to attack debears instead of me ?

I've done everything to piss him off and there is still no case against me !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 18:01 GMT
#1291
On November 06 2012 18:35 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 15:23 Rad wrote:
<snip>

What if clarity PM'd the host asking about this before the cheese incident? What if he just realized that you can't read into the flavor too much because, well, it's true, you can't read into the flavor too much? Why must "he's scum!" be the answer? Null read to me.


Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 21:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
<snip>

I asked marv about the flavor role PMs way before Cheese claimed. The reason I sounded so "condescending" (as you put it) is because I wanted him to shut up and explain why he claimed, and to try and stop others from claiming, but things went to shit fast. The reason I didn't say this earlier was because I had to check with marv if I was allowed to post this.



Nobody excepts me considers this suspicious as hell after all the posts that Rad has made to defend Clarity ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 18:05 GMT
#1294
On November 07 2012 03:01 Alsn wrote:
Woah, that's an interesting claim to be sure. Not sure how we could confirm it though? If I recall correctly role blocks are not notified?(At the very least I certainly didn't get any roleblock notifier)


No, roleblocks are not notified, but you can easily see how I am pissed off when I'm called a blue hunter...

And my main reason to do see is to prevent Clarity and Rad from using the argument "Imma protect the blues". I told you I didn't care if I have to out the blues in order to scumhunt. I was not kidding...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 18:07 GMT
#1296
I want Clarity lynched today
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 18:10 GMT
#1298
On November 06 2012 22:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
I will be back in my evening, ~4 hours from now.


@ Clarity

I want my answer ASAP !
I told you it was going to be a waste of time to write a case against me
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 06 2012 18:18 GMT
#1301
On November 07 2012 03:10 Alsn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 03:07 Djodref wrote:
I want Clarity lynched today
I think you've made that perfectly clear.


@ Alsn

I don't buy his PM stuff.

I don't like how Rad and sylverfyre wanted to shut me down because I was blue-hunting.

Right now, I really don't like Rad made me promise to focus on someone else. That was pure manipulation, he has clearly no intent to lynch Clarity. I find Rad's behavior early D2 very strange with his 180 on me...

Anyway, defending people (like defending Obzy and Clarity) is always a good mafia move because newbies trust you and follow your lead (Obzy case) and you can also defend your scummates.
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