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Beginning to go Bruce Banner on this posting restriction and its only 45 minutes in. | ||
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What happened was I got sick of reforming my post and hit Control+A then delete. Xena warrior princess is awesome. You're Wrong. Zero town cred do I care about, only killing scum. | ||
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On October 31 2012 11:56 Blazinghand wrote: and yet somehow this magical post you supposedly wrotr is still absent For what it is worth, my post was an introduction post that outlined that since I am newly unemployed, I am online from 9am KST til 1am KST every night, and that my usual 'meta' of lurking will not be the case here. Given that the time for introductory posts is over and you have the gist of what it entailed, lets move on to something actually productive. I'd like to know why Broodking is making a pressure vote, yet following it up with 'oh its just a joke', completely invalidating any pressure that may have come with it. | ||
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Far back on page 6, Broodking, you said you hated people that go back on their word - who has done this and why did it need to be said? Given my ample free time, I examined your 'meta' Broodking. Having never used a pressure OR joke vote before in early D1. I am curious as to why you have decided to pick this game to change your style. Just at a quick glance, your first vote in your previous seven games has always come after the construction of a paragraph or longer case. | ||
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Quite simple really. Red he has never been. | ||
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X marks the spot. You ignore more recent games such as Aperture Mafia and wiggles mini mafia II - where I did not launch into cases with my first post - both of which I was town. You're taking a year old game, my FIRST game, and a post that I later admit to being drunk when writing and use that as evidence for aggression which you believe is lacking in this game. Zebras. I handled you more carefully this game because I've seen your horrendous tunnel-vision in TL51 - something that was a large distraction to town. | ||
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Over some filters, I have looked. Person of interest to me right now is Mementoss, whom I believe to be scum. Quite simply, his meek tone and unwillingness to step on toes makes him likely to flip red. Really bad vote on Crossfire, even admits himself that he can see Crossfires actions from a townie perspective as well as a scum one. Sitting back, pointing the finger at someone who has posted 6 lines (djagulingu) and calling him 'weird' and also saying his actions are not indicative of his alignment, yet Mementoss thought they were worth mentioning anyway. To use someones pre-game posts to build a case against them is garbage. U lean scummy on me Mementoss, yet you find BH's case on me to be unsatisfactory - please build a case that better illustrates why you find me scummy. ##Vote: Mementoss | ||
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On November 01 2012 12:26 gonzaw wrote: ...however Adam, that doesn't excuse you to just post to "defend" yourself and not contribute much more. I believe more than 1 hour has passed so you can now post in here, but you haven't. You also fail to comment on the BKE issue which you participated before, yet somehow you can only find time to "defend" yourself from BH's accusations. Why not do more? Saying "there are other games where I was town and haven't done much" doesn't mean you are justified in not doing much this game. Very early did I make that meta argument on BKE, mainly to get discussion rolling, I do not consider him scum at this point. When I post in the thread, I post with a reason, not for the sake of posting, my posts may take longer and be less frequent as a result - I was not excusing myself from participating in this game with my counter to BH's case. | ||
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On November 02 2012 00:32 strongandbig wrote: Something else you argue - he did originally take a position against BKE and later backtrack on it. Though I've said above that I don't understand why he backtracked, and though I really want to hear his reasoning, and though I think it's scummy to backtrack from one position and jump on another one without explaining yourself, I do think that at least taking a position is better than not taking a position, even if there is scummy backtracking. Let me give my feelings on BKE: I feel that BKE would have dropped this much earlier in the day had he been scum - his belligerence and self-belief are that of a townie - he seems to genuinely believe what he is saying - even if i don't agree with what hes saying - it looks genuine to me. Mementoss is still my clear choice for today's lynch - his vote on crossfire struck me as scummy because it does not follow the townie train of thought - when a townie sees scummy activity they think to themselves "this is scum motivated, and that's why i'm going to pressure/vote this person" (look at BH for an example for how this works, even if it is misguided) - Mementoss stated that he could see Crossfires actions from both a townie and scum perspective, then proceeds to vote him anyway. Now, If you would like my thoughts on anyone, feel free to ask and I will provide them, I will also take a look at Mementoss Keirathi case momentarily. | ||
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Canned peaches - Accusing Keirathi of being wishy-washy by using the term 'weird' is just plain hypocritical, as you yourself did the exact thing here: On November 01 2012 08:08 Mementoss wrote: V -does anyone see a weird disconnect here between pre game and in game - excited to play the game/to play with chezinu and then comes out with that opener saying I dont give a fuck - I dont understand this sudden change in mindset, not indicative of alignment as of yet, but just really weird contrast imo. Dogs are awesome - Granted I don't like Keirathi's laziness - something I already touched on when I was conversing with him - but this is the only part of your case that actually resonates with me. Eventually, I find your case to be mostly padded and does not do a good job of illustrating why Keirathi is scum and only scum, hence I think you're faking it. | ||
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You sat there and waited until kierathi voted so your vote counted for zero. You backed yourself into a corner with your reads gonzaw, you had to play it out like that, and it looks suspicious as hell because of it. You're scum, and you just bailed your scum buddy Mementoss out. | ||
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On November 02 2012 10:12 Keirathi wrote: lol @ gonzaw What did you expect me to do? I said 3 hours ago that I was going to vote for BKE unless people would consolidate onto you. Yea, my vote was at the end of the day, but its not like I didn't say I wasn't going to consolidate if I needed to. The only other option was to just not vote and get modkilled; is that what you wanted? I don't understand the faux anger. You did exactly what he expected you to do, you came in, followed your read on BKE, giving him the opportunity to throw away his vote on Mementoss, without risk of having his teammate killed. | ||
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His reads are as follows - On November 02 2012 01:51 gonzaw wrote: So, damn; I think Keirathi is the most likely scum out of all of them.Oh fuck this post restriction I won't make it in time. He has done 0 scumhunting at all this day other than making "probing" questions to players like Chezinu or BH. He wasn't part of any discussion, and worst of all didn't seem to care. He didn't even seem to care to defend himself against my points. Again, the main point is that he doesn't care about the game and is not contributing. Again, in Aperture 2 or even Can't Believe, he was part of every discussion and would have never acted like he's doing here at all. Yeah I think he should be today's lynch. But fuck I won't be around here for that, so I hope you guys can make something out of this D1. I wouldn't mind Adam or Mementos lynched. Adam hasn't done anything other than park his vote on Mementos. He posted good reasons to pressure him but not to base a whole lynch vote on him and disappear. Again taking into account him only "pressuring" BKE earlier and nothing else. He isn't pushing Mementos nor doing anything else productive. Mementos made a "bad" vote on Xfire and doesn't seem to care to be part of any other discussion or scumhunting. He hasn't even moved his vote from Xfire or talked about Adam or Keirathi or any of those guys (that I remember). I'm still not sure about BKE, since I can't really see a scum "noob" BKE make such an aggressive "joke" vote very early into the game. I'd prefer him not being lynched today but fuck it I'm not sure fuck running out of time. So to summarise - happy to lynch Myself or Mementoss, claims to not be sure on BKE, leaning 'noob' town. He reenters the thread right here, 08:58: On November 02 2012 08:58 gonzaw wrote: Kay, I'm back, when's the deadline? At this point there are votes are 4 on Mementoss (Chez, Myself, BKE and Crossfire), placing a vote right here would put Mementoss to 5 votes first and completely decide the lynch, as BKE would need 6 votes to take the lead. Then he proceeds to get himself an hour timeout, but keep in mind this does not exclude him from voting at any point. Complying with his ban, he falls silent. He resurfaces at 09:41 in the voting thread to unvote Keirathi: On November 02 2012 09:41 gonzaw wrote: ##Unvote: Keirathi This proves that he is still around, and yet he still keeps his vote on Mementoss withheld. Five minutes later, in comes Kierathi and votes for BKE. Finally, at 9:56, Gonzaw smacks his (now useless, as Mementoss would need 6 votes to pass BKE) onto Mementoss, avoiding a modkill and wasting his vote. On November 02 2012 09:56 gonzaw wrote: ##Vote: Mementos He could not vote against BKE to save Mementoss because he had previously said that he found him to be 'noob' town, leaving him with this as his only course of action to avoid hanging his teammate or a modkill for failure to vote. Scum. He dies tomorrow. | ||
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On November 02 2012 13:02 Chezinu wrote: I think we should continue to play! Just imagine mementoss and Adam dying and flipping red. The only place that is going to occur is in your imagination, sorry. | ||
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Are you so blinded by your own confidence in yourself that you haven't even considered that you might be completely wrong? | ||
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You think me and Gonzaw scum, who is our third teammate? | ||
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If I was someone else thinking 'damn this Adam guy is scum' I'd be wrong, since he's not. | ||
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On November 03 2012 04:24 strongandbig wrote: Then there's this post from Adam, which is scummy as all fuck IMO: like a few things - "I don't post thoughts for the sake of just posting," if he was Gonzaw then this would be a valid sentiment but from the vast majority of players, more thread presence as a townie makes it easier to establish your innocence and helps the town. Second, "if you want me to talk about anyone specific then ask" - I could be going against popular opinion here, but I think that while trying to get specific players to talk about each other is a townie thing to do - well, at least if you choose the two players correctly - I don't think just going "If you push me on something then I'll talk about it, but otherwise I'm gonna keep my mouth shut" is a very town thing to do. This is not scum motivated. I will comment on things in the thread that I feel are worth mentioning, I will respond to direct questions when they are posed to me. I hate reading 15+ page long filters and I hate reading gigantic posts of waffle which contain every single thought that passes through a persons brain. I will point you to the guide stuck at the top of this forum written by incognito and other exceptional players at this game: On January 09 2012 15:49 Incognito wrote: Posting in the Thread A. General Posting Strategy Being an obvious innocent is worth a lot more than being an active but confused poster. Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos. You don’t have to be a super-active poster to prove your innocence or be useful to the town. You do not need to be useful in an active and eye-popping way. Perhaps due to historical inactivity, TL Mafia players seem to have an unnatural urge to post everything that comes to mind in an attempt to avoid inactivity and keep the ball rolling. However, there are worse things than inactivity, and a game can hardly be called active if it is only the same 8 people repeating themselves in the thread. Your primary goal should be post quality rather than quantity. The game thread is not twitter. You don’t have to reply to every post or question you see with “@PlayerName”. Don’t try to say everything. Don’t respond to every point. (This means don’t post an analysis quoting all of your target’s posts!) This muddles your agenda and clutters up the thread. Stick to the important points. Your concern to want me to post more is genuine though, so have my points: ##Give 1000 Points: strongandbig If this gets me killed, then so be it. Hopefully you reread the thread with my flip in mind and use that information correctly. | ||
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-Stop making gigantic posts, they are nigh on unreadable and a pain in the ass to quote. -Yes, I retold exactly what you did with my interpretation of why you did it, that's called behavioural analysis, its an important part of forum mafia. -You are trying to pin the BKE lynch on me? I was voting in the right direction, for Mementoss. I made my thoughts on both BKE and Mementoss crystal clear. -That giant post of your 'thought process' stinks of insincerity. You clearly see that yesterdays lynch is to be decided by whoever is going to put down the next vote between you and kierathi, you say as much in the 4th line, but rather than take the lead and wear the consequences you sit on your vote for an hour and do nothing with it. Your posting restriction did not prevent you from being active in the voting thread and putting your vote on Mementoss, in line with YOUR OWN READS. At the time I thought it unnecessary to try and convince you to follow your own reads because they're your own freaking reads, and I expected you to follow them. | ||
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Thankyou whoever did that. So Mementoss today? | ||
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On November 04 2012 06:55 Mementoss wrote: Because you had 1 fucking good post all day, right now you are trying to make yourself look good about talking abotu gonzaw. But like everything else you didn't do fucking shit about it. It took you a year to commit to a vote, you hammered a townie congrats. Your 1 good post focused on putting the whole town to either lynch me or BKE, so you forced the whole town into that mentality of BKE vs me, 2 townies. That is scum motivation to cut down everyones view, and to give yourself cred for not committing to jack shit when it came to gonzaw. You honestly believe the events in the twilight of day 1 would have occurred the way they did if both yourself and BKE were town? Not a chance. | ||
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On November 04 2012 09:53 Chezinu wrote: Just so you guys know, I can paint with pretty colors.. Mementoss Crossfire99 Hopeless1der Adam4167 BroodKingEXE gonzaw Keirathi Blazinghand strongandbig Chezinu Chezinu, you thought Mementoss worth your vote yesterday and with everything that has transpired since then, you are now unsure? I kind of don't get that. | ||
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Assuming Mementoss flips scum, which he will, you're my choice for the 3rd scum. | ||
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But you are right, lets not get ahead of ourselves, Ill see Mementoss bleed first. I'm off to the pub, I can still post via my phone if necessary. | ||
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On November 05 2012 07:56 Crossfire99 wrote: Yeah, so you think that my interaction with Mementoss in my case against him was weird? He brushed off my earlier comment so I laid down explicitly why he was wrong. Also, if you are saying I'm scum, why would I essentially out my one scum buddy, gonzaw, with my vote on my other scum buddy, Mementoss? That vote forced gonzaw to not vote for mementoss before someone hammered brood. That basically outed gonzaw and got him killed last night. If I was scum, I could have voted brood, thus saving gonzaw from acting crazy at the deadline and keeping him alive last night. The final scum was voting BKE yesterday and this paragraph is exactly why. Any one of us on Mementoss could have switched off and prevented two scum from outing themselves, if scum. About those that were voting BKE yesterday: Its not Blazinghand, as he gave Gonzaw a lead lobotomy last night. Nor is it S&B, as he absorbed the night shot. Leaving either Hopeless or Keirathi. Keirathi was Gonzaw and Mementoss main mislynch target, I am confident that this wasn't some kind of double bus. Leaving Hopeless by the process of elimination. And what about our non-voting replacement? Well there's a chance its him, but Mementoss did try and swing attention onto his predecessor, plus right after he replaced in, he made a comment about gonzaw being a better target then myself. I'm willing to kill hopeless first over him . | ||
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On November 05 2012 08:51 strongandbig wrote: Okay so what I'm confused about here is, why would any other mementoss voter switching off mementoss at the last minute have looked any better than what gonzaw did? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think we can just write off all the mementoss voters like that. The point is that gonzaw had to act like a lunatic around the vote time because there was no other scum on the Mementoss wagon to switch off. If Chezinu, for example, had been scum and come back and just switched, he would have copped -some- flack for it, but it wouldn't have incriminated two of his teammates, just brought some heat down on himself. | ||
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On November 05 2012 08:54 Crossfire99 wrote: What do you think of stutter's talk about my meta? Was it just a brain fart or do you think he lied about doing research on me? Yeah probably just overlooked it, seems like a harmless mistake to me. | ||
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I flippantly accuse him of being scum. The correct response would have been "Me? why!? You haven't even mentioned me all game, where is this coming from?" Instead we got: On November 04 2012 10:47 Hopeless1der wrote: That's fine, we'll get to that later. Let me know what you'd like to question me about in the meantime, if you're so inclined. I've got all the answers you're looking for. Not only does he not seem surprised that he is drawing attention, but he claims to have all the answers I want, as if he's been thinking about what he's going to say when he gets accused. His post on Keirathi was just complete piffle, a waste of time to appear active. And finally: On November 05 2012 08:52 Hopeless1der wrote: If I die before Adam, and he doesn't swiftly follow me to the afterlife, I'll be gravely disappointed. If you know what I mean. So, instead of trying to convince me that he is town, as I did to BH's pressure, he just goes straight to "I really hope you kill this guy". If he were town, why would he want to kill someone that he doesn't even know the alignment of, it could just be a bad tunnel from a townie. Does not have a townie mind. | ||
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On November 05 2012 09:35 Hopeless1der wrote: Adam, I don't feel the need to convince you. I'm going to be stupidly difficult to lynch, especially today. You're "process" of elimination wouldn't have been that scummy, but it is significantly flawed. You're taking things at face value that should not be so easily accepted for someone with your information. The manner in which you reason things out suggests scum motive to me. I am not trying to get you lynched today, its Mementoss turn to dance the hempen jig. Your turn is tomorrow, but I may as well make my thoughts known today, as its a slow news day and someone will most probably die tonight. | ||
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On November 05 2012 09:44 Hopeless1der wrote: EBWOP: Unless he's scum, then yeah, he has special info. The only 'special information' that I have access to is having your entire team pinned by the end of day 1. I have my reads, I back them in to be right. | ||
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I sent you my points last night as well BH. | ||
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On November 06 2012 10:12 Blazinghand wrote: How many? I got two amounts, one smaller than the other. I sent you 'All', I told iGrok to just pass on whatever I had to you. Id wager its 1000 or slightly more if we got any points from the mementoss lynch. | ||
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On November 10 2012 04:48 Crossfire99 wrote: Yeah, but reading other peoples cases can prove to you that they're scum or town. Like I was 100% convinced that Adam was town (he and I might as well have been telepathically linked) because we had the same thoughts on mementoss and gonzaw. Edit: Lol. you and your stealthy edits strike again. P.S. I loved you claiming the gonzaw shot. Don't know if you intended with this post but it was what confirmed to me that you did it. Its not at all surprising to me that you had 100% confirmed town on me, as I had the very same read on you from the second you walked into the thread. Equally I had Keirathi 'confirmed' town just as fast. That vig shot? Yeah, I don't even know what to say. BH, you really needed to drop the 'adam is probably scum' thing a lot sooner, unless of course you actually believed it, in which case you probably need to redefine how you scum hunt. If I was scum, that was the most ludicrous bus in mafia history - had I been scum, I would have just kept my mouth shut on day 1 at the lynch and let gonzaw do his vote switch while laughing at you guys not seeing how blatant it was. Anyone that cry's WIFOM (a word i loathe) here is just plain dense, I would never trade 2 teammates for town-cred. Still, good game. I'm content in calling this one a Scum win. Well played. | ||
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I cant help but feel that it probably lead to hopeless shooting me, which was a terrible shot. | ||
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On November 10 2012 07:59 Blazinghand wrote: It happens. Next time, though, rolelcaim if you're going to be lynched. We all have games where we play a bit scummy and end up attracting votes, but when you're Blue you have a trump card to play-- you should have played it. I didn't shoot you, I didn't lynch you, and I had numerous opportunities to do both. If you're not personally capable enough to prove yourself townie against a feint from me, that's not my problem. Maybe you should be talking to the guy who shot you, or examining your own play, since you were the one who absorbed a bullet. EDIT: For what it's worth, I did find you a bit scummy. You weren't really worth a bullet though, and certainly not a lynch. Relax a bit would you? The point of post game discussion is to talk about the game and how it unfolded. | ||
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A majority of the town knew I was town. Unfortunately the two who seemed to question it were the two confirmed blues, ultimately leading to my death. I cant control what everyone else does, but at least I can try to offer advice so it doesn't happen in the future. | ||
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Crossfire: I thought you played well. I knew you were town, you were on the right lynch for the two days that you were alive, so your reads were in the right direction. Hopeless: I'd suggest not relying on your blue power so much, but you're already aware of that by the look of it. I can only really offer advice for the first 2 days, as I skim read the thread after my departure, but try to find players not operating with a townie mindset. BKE was an easy mis-lynch because he was having trouble articulating his thoughts, but Mementoss was clearly voting for someone he just said 'I can see his actions from a townie perspective as well'. Day two was pretty much a wash of inactivity because the lynch was already predetermined by the N1 flip. Your reactions to my pressure was producing some weird results. Obviously the reveal on N2 explained why that was the case, but try to act less like you have inside information - or if you're going to postulate 'I have all the answers', enlighten the rest of town as to what information you have and where it came from. As regards to your blue actions, I'd suggest using blue powers with less dire consequences if you're not 100% sold on your reads. | ||
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