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Blazinghand
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Well at least I got gonzaw.
S&B you really had me fooled up until you made this post in our mason QT: i guess we should game out the possibilities. You mentioned something in-thread about godfathers and framers - do you have any idea how ##involving works if there's a godfather?
As soon as you made that post I decided to shoot you in the coming night. That post can only come from a scum mindset. It's too bad you had vet status or were NK-immune or whatever  it'd have been awesome to kill two scum. If only I also had enough points to RB you last night in addition to shooting you! Still, even with the slip you played well enough that you probably won if you could steal me and Keirathi's votes today (or even one vote, really). Good work.
BKEXE I'd have really liked to see a blue claim from you. I REALLY would like to know why you didn't claim.
Overall, I had lots of fun, good game everyone. Thanks to iGrok for hosting!
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Blazinghand
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You could just RB+Shoot us or double-shoot us if we pulled a stunt like that right
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In any case I declare this draw a Blazinghand victory for pure sexiness, manliness, and general ballertude
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I assume he did. All you need is one votesteal to win at that point.
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Ah, that's interesting. Well, what are you gonna do right. He *did* have to spend points on vet, too. I was hoping he'd get sloppy and not do that so I could just shoot him and end it.
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Blazinghand
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Man whatever wacky schemes there might be with points or night actions, that's not really how I think. I shoot scum, and use vet if I have points for it, and lynch scum in the day. The ##involve felt pretty wacky and was mostly there to see if S&B was really town or not. I didn't actually send in the ##involve until after Crossfire got modkilled.
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Blazinghand
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Dude S&B you couldn't have convinced me at all, I was trying to shoot you, then I voted you and went afk. You were dead unless you stole a vote.
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Well, his filter did look a bit townie, but in our Mason QT he scumslipped hard and revealed a scum mentality. He wasn't convincing me.
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On November 10 2012 03:08 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 03:07 Crossfire99 wrote:On November 10 2012 03:06 strongandbig wrote:On November 10 2012 03:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
mod actions aside, do you really think you could convince BH to switch? I don't, and as a result I think town would have successfully lynched you to win the game. I don't think you can put mod actions aside, since they changed the game so much. I also think that maybe I could have - keirathi didn't play a super townie game either, if I could have gotten BH to actually look at filters I'm pretty confident mine looked decent. I also think that part of the reason everyone was all of a sudden so sure I was scum (despite me being basically "confirmed town" up until then) was that the point-give didn't actually go through. Anyway, we'll never know now, will we? Your filter didn't look townie in the least bit. Lol. only because you read it knowing I was scum. confirmation bias. otherwise presumably someone would have read it and called me scum? Maybe?
I shot you. Does that count? I voted you. That should also count. If you weren't stealing a vote, you were dead.
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Blazinghand
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On November 10 2012 03:09 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 03:06 strongandbig wrote:
I also think that part of the reason everyone was all of a sudden so sure I was scum (despite me being basically "confirmed town" up until then) was that the point-give didn't actually go through.
I completely disagree with this point. BH and Keir were 100% committed to killing you before the Night ended.
At this point, I'm done arguing it. keir and S&B were obviously gonna vote each other, and I was voting S&B and had shot him the previous night. If he wants to think he was gonna win, that's his prerogative. We'll have to agree to disagree. You can take a horse to water, but that's it.
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Blazinghand
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Gonzaw the reason you looked scummy is your analysis and your play was very different from your town play. You pressure multiple people and post big old multi-pronged walls of text as town. I mean yeah that thing with the fake bad post and the voting at the end of D1 did you no favors but you were my top scumread.
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Blazinghand
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How were you gonna win? Keirathi and I were voting for you? Just explain to me how you were going to win.
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I definitely had fun playing this game as well.
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Perhaps you're right; perhaps I wouldn't have been able to get people to lynch you for meta, but I've lynched townier players on weaker meta cases than that. At the very least, next time you roll scum try to pay attention to how your scum meta is different than your town meta and play more like your town game. It may not have been obvious to the others, but it was to me. And after this game, people can point and say "look! meta cases against Gonzaw are good!"
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Blazinghand
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I gladly lynch people just on meta all the time. It's an underrated tool.
EDIT: I guess maybe I should say i gladly vote people, not lynch people. Sometimes I manage to get the lynch off, like on prplhz in that one mini
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I never pay attention to IRL excuses under any circumstances. Easily lied about.
Edit: In a way, I almost consider talking about IRL excuses "cheating" in the sense that it's a non-defense that people for whatever reason accept. If I'm ever away from the thread for a period of time, I never give a reason for it. Mafia is about mafia, and that's it.
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Blazinghand
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Man gonzaw just read your posts this game and your posts in any town game. I don't normally FoS you but I've obsed enough games with you in it to know that you don't play like a spear, you play like a trident. Or a ball of needles. You poke a lot, and at a lot of people. You have to at least *try* to emulate that as scum, or at least recognize that you weren't doing that this game, or your scum play simply won't improve. That's my advice.
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On November 10 2012 03:37 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:
I never pay attention to IRL excuses under any circumstances. Easily lied about.
Edit: In a way, I almost consider talking about IRL excuses "cheating" in the sense that it's a non-defense that people for whatever reason accept. If I'm ever away from the thread for a period of time, I never give a reason for it. Mafia is about mafia, and that's it. I feel similar, but how I deal with it is never lying about irl circumstances and assuming other people will do the same. Everything I said in this thread about irl with the night shift and day shift changing was 100% true and would have been exactly as true if I was town.
It doesn't matter whether it would have been true or not. When someone makes an IRL excuse, I just tune it out. Such sentences literally carry no meaning for me. If someone does it enough, it becomes suspicious. But all I pay attention to is when a guy was or wasn't active, regardless of whether he has an excuse for it. I really really don't care, and honestly your inactivity is not the reason I tried to kill you-- I don't view it as scummy. It was being out of thread a bit, and yeah you missed the first 24h of the last day but that didn't mean anything, excuse or no. That stuff is null to me.
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Blazinghand
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On November 10 2012 03:43 gonzaw wrote:
It would also have been enough to strike a little doubt in your head (you'd tell yourself "maybe he's right? Nah he's scum.....what if he isn't?) and that'd be enough for me.
Lol have you ever played with me?
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Blazinghand
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I was planning to shoot S&B probably 5-6 hours before the Stutters flip. He made a post in our Mason QT that basically revealed him to be scum. I ##involved you hoping to gain enough points to shoot and roleblock S&B, but this night used $ instead of points so I had to ask S&B for the points to shoot him with. Everything I said over the course of the night was basically lying to try to get S&B to drop his guard and not vet himself that night.
Sorry, you never really convinced me-- you weren't particularly scummy, but you were the "unconfirmed town". S&B was playing a little bit scummily though, and basically he made a mistake in the QT. If it weren't for that, I may not have shot him. Overall I didn't particularly trust his blue claim because Wayne Brady is a musician
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Blazinghand
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On November 10 2012 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote:
I was planning to shoot S&B probably 5-6 hours before the Stutters flip. He made a post in our Mason QT that basically revealed him to be scum. I ##involved you hoping to gain enough points to shoot and roleblock S&B, but this night used $ instead of points so I had to ask S&B for the points to shoot him with. Everything I said over the course of the night was basically lying to try to get S&B to drop his guard and not vet himself that night.
Sorry, you never really convinced me-- you weren't particularly scummy, but you were the "unconfirmed town". S&B was playing a little bit scummily though, and basically he made a mistake in the QT. If it weren't for that, I may not have shot him. Was my case on S&B not convincing enough?
I erm, probably didn't read it. I usually don't read other people's cases in depth a whole lot unless they're on me or I think there's something to use against them in it (EDIT: or it's a really good case, or from a confirmed townie). I skimmed it I guess. S&B basically made two mistakes this game:
1) a bunch of night actions with no results, a classic fake-claim tell
2) claiming scum to me in the mason QT
By the time you were confirmed town, I had already made up my mind to shoot S&B.
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