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On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually. @releaseAre you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death?
well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim.
Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other."
Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose.
I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious.
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In such a situation as I described, the mason might accidentally claim, and people may turn to you for blame, but then you can say "No, no, i said Miller"
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EBWOP: When i say "that was obvious" i mean the ,mass claim, not the intent of my post.
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On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose.
and I highly doubt you would actually think this
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Release and zealos are probably scum
Release comes in to the thread with this post and edit
On November 01 2012 09:00 Release wrote:
to everyone:
Are we asking Millers or Masons to claim? prplhz (the origin of the idea) said millers and now kushmasta has asked for masons to claim (although he does avoid saying mason).
I have to say already that kshmasta is looking scummy.
Since i don't see the advantage of a miller claim, i'd like to know why a miller should claim (from both prplhz and hope in particular).
I'd also like to hear from kushmasta why you avoided saying mason.
On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it.
He accuses kushmasta of... honestly i dont know... especially after he asks about the discussion being about masons or millers. Kush misread the thread / roles being discussed and thought millers = masons... calling him scum for this is the biggest stretch i have seen in a while. there is no way anyone with any level of reading comprehension would draw these conclusions from kush's posting and reading the thread around it
release is trying to look like he is scum hunting by skewing kush's words from the thread.
Zealos is probably scum too.
He immediately jumps into the thread (after promising to be active this game) with 2 posts that are setup talk and literally basically say nothing.
On November 01 2012 09:06 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:00 Release wrote:
to everyone:
Are we asking Millers or Masons to claim? prplhz (the origin of the idea) said millers and now kushmasta has asked for masons to claim (although he does avoid saying mason).
I don't like the idea of masons claiming at all? o.O
On November 01 2012 09:09 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
release, you are looking scummy. what was kush "deceitful" about? your accusation against him is spin-city
thinking prplhz meant mason when he said miller is what kush did, i even did it to for a while... i don't see how it even comes close to being deceitful I highly doubt a mafia would get so aggressive right off the bat imo. Just seems like dumb reasoning, is all.
The thing is though, he jumps on the fact that masons are being talked about. Other than Kush mis-reading the thread there has been no talks of masons claiming.
He then follows this with a really soft defense of release saying that mafia wouldnt be that aggressive.
A. I would hardly call release's posting aggressive, trying to paint it as aggressive is deceptive and super scummy.
B. Scum can be aggressive and passive all the time, but he is trying to paint aggressiveness as townie, while giving that trait to release
##vote Release
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wow mattchew that was exactly what i was considering... but isn;t it way too early to do association stuff like that?
regardless I think you picked the right one to vote for
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I will state now that i think Meta-Analysis (which Hapaluchi loves) is very weak to useless.
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@Mattchew:
Skewing his words how?
He was asking for the mason to claim in his posts while calling it the miller.
Then he goes and says the town who could talk to each other, but avoid saying mason. This gives him the chance to say "I meant the miller" if the mason claims.
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On November 01 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. and I highly doubt you would actually think this
I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were.
So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification.
Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is
setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute.
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Hi Mattchew. On the one hand I agree with you, although for different reasons. However, I have seen this kind of finger pointing go terribly wrong too often. It is entirely possible Release is a newbienoob (which I kinda suspect given that I have no clue who he is) and is simply jumping on the first bad play of the game, in what I will happily call the second bad play of the game.
My main problem with Release is this post:
On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually. @releaseAre you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious.
This is pathetic and reaks of scum. While I was willing to write off his first post as one derp of accusing another derp, this one just seems malevolent. He is trying to paint a scum reason for making a mistake and dreaming up wild unprovable theories in the process. This is not a town move. It's an easy way for scum to (try to) get a mislynch bandwagon going. Nevertheless, it's a terrible scumplay. Holding off on my vote to see where this goes.
Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet.
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On November 01 2012 10:30 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. and I highly doubt you would actually think this I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were. So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification. Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute.
I guess you have never played with me before. Most of the time I don't think before I post and I'm quite capable of derps as town.
About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers?
That does not sound like a realistic scumplan!
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On November 01 2012 10:40 Acrofales wrote:Hi Mattchew. On the one hand I agree with you, although for different reasons. However, I have seen this kind of finger pointing go terribly wrong too often. It is entirely possible Release is a newbienoob (which I kinda suspect given that I have no clue who he is) and is simply jumping on the first bad play of the game, in what I will happily call the second bad play of the game. My main problem with Release is this post: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote:On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually. @releaseAre you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. This is pathetic and reaks of scum. While I was willing to write off his first post as one derp of accusing another derp, this one just seems malevolent. He is trying to paint a scum reason for making a mistake and dreaming up wild unprovable theories in the process. This is not a town move. It's an easy way for scum to (try to) get a mislynch bandwagon going. Nevertheless, it's a terrible scumplay. Holding off on my vote to see where this goes. Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet.
Acro, I just want to confirm that you think Kush derped (i.e. is probably town) and that Release might have derped but it was very scummy and you'd lean towards him being scum. Is that correct?
On November 01 2012 10:47 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:30 Release wrote:On November 01 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. and I highly doubt you would actually think this I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were. So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification. Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute. I guess you have never played with me before. Most of the time I don't think before I post and I'm quite capable of derps as town. About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers? That does not sound like a realistic scumplan!
I grudgingly agree that kush derps pretty consistently.
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kush you think release is scum or town?
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Townies are way more likely to mis-post than scum, because they post more freely, its something i commonly look for when I am in between reads on someone
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where is your vote? Mattchew felt strongly enough to vote, as did Thrawn (although less convincingly).
Your words seem the strongest of all yet no vote.
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previous post directed at Acro.
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On November 01 2012 10:25 Release wrote:
I will state now that i think Meta-Analysis (which Hapaluchi loves) is very weak to useless.
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@Mattchew:
Skewing his words how?
He was asking for the mason to claim in his posts while calling it the miller.
Then he goes and says the town who could talk to each other, but avoid saying mason. This gives him the chance to say "I meant the miller" if the mason claims.
Meta is far from useless. It's not easy to use, though, and therefore often used wrong. However, it is very powerful when used right. So in that light, please let us know a bit more about yourself. Do you have previous games on this forum?
No. Kush was quite obviously confusing Millers with Masons. He said Miller, but described Mason. In his later post he clarified (when thrawn pointed out that he seemed to be confusing the two) and added "Masons should claim" as his own idea... kinda on the same line as mass claiming.
Is it a good idea? No. Is it potentially fishing for blues? Yes. Is it inherently scummy? No.
In fact, as scum I tend to pay MORE attention to details, so I am inclined to write weird derps like this off as more likely to be made by town. However, this is a meta-call which does not work for everybody.
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On November 01 2012 10:40 Acrofales wrote:
Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet.
can you expand and explain this to me like im 5
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On November 01 2012 10:53 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:25 Release wrote:
I will state now that i think Meta-Analysis (which Hapaluchi loves) is very weak to useless.
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@Mattchew:
Skewing his words how?
He was asking for the mason to claim in his posts while calling it the miller.
Then he goes and says the town who could talk to each other, but avoid saying mason. This gives him the chance to say "I meant the miller" if the mason claims. Meta is far from useless. It's not easy to use, though, and therefore often used wrong. However, it is very powerful when used right. So in that light, please let us know a bit more about yourself. Do you have previous games on this forum? + Show Spoiler +No. Kush was quite obviously confusing Millers with Masons. He said Miller, but described Mason. In his later post he clarified (when thrawn pointed out that he seemed to be confusing the two) and added "Masons should claim" as his own idea... kinda on the same line as mass claiming.
Is it a good idea? No. Is it potentially fishing for blues? Yes. Is it inherently scummy? No.
In fact, as scum I tend to pay MORE attention to details, so I am inclined to write weird derps like this off as more likely to be made by town. However, this is a meta-call which does not work for everybody .
I have 4 newbie games under my belt:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337671
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342960
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345447
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066
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also, with only 13 players confirming 2 townies would skew the numbers in town's favor pretty heavily so its not the worst idea in the world.. at the same time i am not really good at claiming lol so w/e
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