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On November 03 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 03:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't want kush to get lynched today. Yes, he's said dumb stuff and he's on my radar but that's usually how it goes with him. Imo we need more information to make a kush read. I have 0 votes for me. Why would you even say that... Also thanks for a totally useless post. Who do you want to lynch? What do you think of drazzaks scummy filter?
You have 0 votes but I wouldn't say that you being lynched is out of the question.
If I knew who I wanted to lynch......... + Show Spoiler +
His filter is scummy, his initial vote on muso was full of denials of responsibility such as things along the line of "if he's town then he's not helping."
But much like you.... his town filters are always at least a little scummy so I haven't decided yet.
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On November 03 2012 02:53 drazak wrote:
Well, I'm just a little bit flustered by all the people making role claims and then going back on them and then claiming other shit, that's not how you play mafia. >.<
I'll have better reads as night cones, with the flip.
Really? Please tell me how to play mafia.
I can tell you one way how NOT to play mafia and that is to sit around on your ass waiting for the flip, like you are claiming to do here.
I looked over your filter and I have to agree with the people saying it's bad. It is completely void of any attempt at hunting scum. I don't think you're a good lynch candidate yet and it's time to consolidate (hint, vote Promethelax, his new contribution is not making me lean any other way), but your play so far has been incredibly lackluster.
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School is out mother fuckers. I'm here until I go to work.
On November 03 2012 02:34 syllogism wrote:
/replacement
You made me laugh. Thanks Syllo.
Kush man, stop with the talk of Role names. You might be right but just saying the same thing over and over again doesn't help. You have provided that one thought, get out there and provide some more. It pains me when you do this because I know that you actually do know better you just get carried away.
Draz: great, I love having no reads d1. That helps town. /sarcasm. Now sit down, shape up and tell us what you think about at least these three players (in detail): Matt, Muso, Acro. If you have time I would like to hear about Kush, Release and anyone else you would care to give an opinion on as well.
On November 03 2012 03:18 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote:On November 03 2012 03:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't want kush to get lynched today. Yes, he's said dumb stuff and he's on my radar but that's usually how it goes with him. Imo we need more information to make a kush read. I have 0 votes for me. Why would you even say that... Also thanks for a totally useless post. Who do you want to lynch? What do you think of drazzaks scummy filter? You have 0 votes but I wouldn't say that you being lynched is out of the question. If I knew who I wanted to lynch......... + Show Spoiler +His filter is scummy, his initial vote on muso was full of denials of responsibility such as things along the line of "if he's town then he's not helping." But much like you.... his town filters are always at least a little scummy so I haven't decided yet.
Thrawnn...you are better than this. You have reads and you share them. This is scummy, you are too neutral on everyone. I don't care that we are in day one. You are one of the people, like me, who believes in trying d1 and think that people who don't are scummy so get it together. I'm watching you.
Everyone: remember that Acro is NOT confirmed town at this point. His gambit was just that and it could have either scum or town motivation. What he says is true, he is one of the better players in this game and if he is alive later in the game he had better be looked at. If I'm alive I'll do the looking, if not one of you had better remember this.
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Hi Acro, do you really think lynching a replacement who is actually contributing, has reads and is pushing town to provide reads is a good idea? Please explain.
How am I scummier than Draz? Or Muso?
Also: just noticed that you answered a question for Muso. Why in the hell would you soft defend one of you scum reads (which I think he still is although you have said that his flipping green would make Me and Kush look scummier)?
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On November 03 2012 01:23 Mattchew wrote:
Let's go back to killing muso or release... Also acro's fake claim play was really fucking weird.. I have to look back at the timing of it when I'm on a comp a little later
Why not Promethelax (mainly based on the case against prplhz)? I don't like lynching Release atm.
Promethelax's play has so far not made any real red flags go off, but then again, I am not really expecting it to. It's easy enough to play townie for a few hours when nothing unexpected is happening.
@whoever it was who said prplhz always reads as scum: firstly, he doesn't. I have gotten decent town reads on him from time to time. Secondly, the main case is that he was playing in a way that implies he had more information than town does. That is one of the clearest scumtells in the book. It's like a giant neon sign that is flashing "LYNCH ME".
Lets kill Promethelax
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got some stuff to do between now and lynch so for now,
##Vote: Muso
I think muso has the best potential for flipping red.
drazak has looked super scummy in every game i've seen him play
release... i'm still wary of him but I like muso's chances of being red better
prom/prplhz:
All prplhz was acting like prplhz, (this is based on my game with him where he was town in looney lynching) and he made those posts about how both claims could possibly be correct. Lynching him because of that post seems weird because A) I don't doubt that prplhz would say something like that as town, B) because it assumes that both muso and acro are town and if not the whole thing falls apart and finally C) prom is doing a much better job than prplhz was about sharing reads and contributing... on top of all of that he's a replacement.
So I don't wanna lynch prom.
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On November 03 2012 04:29 Promethelax wrote:
Hi Acro, do you really think lynching a replacement who is actually contributing, has reads and is pushing town to provide reads is a good idea? Please explain.
How am I scummier than Draz? Or Muso?
Also: just noticed that you answered a question for Muso. Why in the hell would you soft defend one of you scum reads (which I think he still is although you have said that his flipping green would make Me and Kush look scummier)?
YOU are not. Your predecessor was and I am not going to forgive and forget your predecessors actions. He made my scumdar shortcircuit.
I am completely wacked out about Muso, as I said in my earlier post. His claim is extremely strange as both scum and town. Ignoring that play, I am leaning marginally town, so I don't feel like lynching him. I answered the question because it had already been answered and I wanted to move the discussion forward, not backward.
Draz is throwing off waves of uselessness, but it's not directly scummy uselessness, it's just uselessness. If it keeps up, I am all for lynching him, but he hasn't actually blipped my scumdar and if someone can point out how his play is scummy, rather than just bad, I may be onboard.
The point is to find people who have a scum agenda, not bad players.
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'sup Acro. Care to respond to anything I have said?
Look, I'm town (I don't care if you think so, just run with it for a second) and if you get my lynched and I flip town what will you have gained by having me here? Nothing. You won't even acknowledge me or anything I've said. If, instead you work with me and look into what I have said town might be able to gain something even while mislynching me.
Ignore me if you want to but that is a scum claim.
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I don't get what prpl said that implied he had extra info.
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nvm: ninjas, ninjas everywhere.
Yeah, you got red vibes off a guy for half of D1 and they are so strong that even though he replaced out you still want to lynch into his slot? That seems unlikely. Maybe you and I see replacements differently but I don't think that they can be held responsible for the actions of their predecessors, especially when there are no actions. Just a few somewhat scummy posts.
It is funny, as I was reading this thread before I replaced in prp was up there on my scum list. Knowing his alignment now helps me narrow the scum field though. Do you disagree that Matt seems scummy for testing the waters with Zealos and pushing lynches on newbies? If so why do you not see those actions as scum or do you read the actions themselves differently than I do?
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On November 03 2012 04:39 Promethelax wrote:
'sup Acro. Care to respond to anything I have said?
Look, I'm town (I don't care if you think so, just run with it for a second) and if you get my lynched and I flip town what will you have gained by having me here? Nothing. You won't even acknowledge me or anything I've said. If, instead you work with me and look into what I have said town might be able to gain something even while mislynching me.
Ignore me if you want to but that is a scum claim.
Okay, lets do this exercise. Lynching Mattchew on D1 is a really really bad move. And yes, this is from someone who really likes lynching Mattchew.
Plus, someone asked if Mattchew always plays so assertive and aggressive, the answer is a very resounding yes.
That doesn't mean I think he's right. I'm kinda null on Release and leaning moderately town on Zealos (which is weird, because Zealos always looks like scum to me).
If we ignore you for the moment, that leaves Draz, Kush and Muso as lynch candidates. Which of those would you want to lynch, and why?
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@prom
I'd like to hear you talk some more about muso. You said that you didn't want him lynched today but that he was a good vig shot... what are your actual opinions about him being town/scum?
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On November 03 2012 04:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
@prom
I'd like to hear you talk some more about muso. You said that you didn't want him lynched today but that he was a good vig shot... what are your actual opinions about him being town/scum?
My actual opinions are that he is Fourface and that I can't read his ass at all. This kid comes in, says he doesn't know the difference between Mason and miller On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote:
Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller.
I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it.
Sorry if I'm bad :S and afterwards tells us it was a gambit. I feel like lynching him is a coinflip right now, he has given us a terrible play by either alignment which involves lying. The terrible play thing isn't indicative and the lying only bothers me because I assume he is experienced and knows what a damn fool thing he did. He is really easy to lynch though and I don't like that, it feels too much like LC where no one played the game because we had confirmed lynches and we lost because of it.
Okay if Matt isn't an option out of Muso, Kush and Draz I'd take Draz.
Kush has a really obvious meta and the longer he is in the game the more clear it will be where he stands, there is no need to waste a lynch now on a guy who will essentially claim his alignment later.
See above for why I don't want to lynch Muso. His lynch feels like a coin flip that 1) doesn't have an amazing chance of netting us scum and 2) won't help us find the scum team if he is town or scum.
Draz makes posts like this: On November 02 2012 23:17 drazak wrote:
I don't see any reason to change my vote, I honestly have no freaking clue why muso did what he did, but there's nothing town about it, if he is town, he's doing a very bad job establishing himself as town.
I hope he isn't town though, a D1 mafia kill would definitely ensure our town victory.
Votes, says he isn't sure if the guy he is voting is town or scum, and says 'our town' which is often a thing newb scum do to reinforce the idea that they are town. Of those three I think Kush is slightly town right now and think saving him for later is almost always the best play with him. I think Muso should be looked at later; his play is bad, which is a bad tell not a scum tell, if he starts playing we might be able to get a read on him. Hopefully he eats a bullet. I think Draz is playing more anti-town than either of them (excluding the confusion caused by mason claiming) and would go for him over the other two.
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where fuba at? He ahsn't posted in 18 hours. This is not a boy who usually lurks so hardcore. Fuba, don't go fubar on us. Come on back and get in here. Last thing we heard form his was a question. Usually I want to know the answer to questions I ask...
Risk, what do you feel about release now? You were voting him earlier with what I read as a pressure vote. This is why I assume that: On November 01 2012 23:44 risk.nuke wrote:
He's one of the better lynch candidates in the thread right now. Additionally there is a lot of boiling in the release is mafia cauldron. I want to find out is all talk and who's not.
Was that a pressure vote and what do you feel about Release now?
Zealos: the hell are you doing? You are voting near the deadline. And not here now. Come on back and get involved, if this is a lynch that matters to you (i.e. you are town) you should be around.
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Also: since no one will vote Matt with me and I don't feel like I have enough to convince anyone but myself ## Unvote
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Of the three wagons with more than one vote right now (me, Draz, Muso) I'd prefer to see Draz swing so ## Vote: Draz
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Day 1 Vote Count
Release(0): Mattchew, thrawn2112, risk.nuke
Muso(6): Acrofales, risk.nuke, thrawn2112, Zealos, Promethelax, mkfuba07, Hopeless1der, drazak, kushm4sta, Mattchew, Release, DarthPunk, thrawn2112
drazak(3): Release, kushm4sta, Promethelax
Promethelax(2): Acrofales, Muso, Muso
Acrofales(0): kush4msta
Mattchew(0): Promethelax
1.5 hours until lynch: 22:00 GMT (+00:00). No one is currently set to be lynched.
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Zealos and Fuba TT come on guys, vote.
Okay, let's consolidate on two candidates. Muso and either me or drazak. I want people to have to make votes that count. We only have 90 minutes left and this is a crappy place to be as town. We need a lynch and it seems unlikely that we even have enough active players to lynch anyone other than Muso.
If you are around please sound off in the thread with who you are voting and why that person is the most likely to flip scum out of the three candidates (Promethelax, Muso, Drazak).
Those on me and Draz should consolidate to one candidate. I think that Draz is scummier than I am (though I have my role PM which certainly helps me exonerate myself). If we can I'd like to reduce this lynch to two candidates so that people have to vote in a way which will affect the outcome.
+ Show Spoiler +really sorry for quintuple posting, just trying to get everything into the thread while I have time, I'm working in 4 hours
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I can't make a read on you, prom, you have like 6 posts.
mkfuba is afk somewhere.
DP is afk after party, not a lot of posts.
Muso is a clusterfuck but I don't see anything good coming of him, what's he gonna do now that he's going to possibly get lynched? Claim DT? Claim Medic? Maybe he can even go back to his mason claim, lol. He hasn't actually scum hunted out of any of this, if you want to help the town you'll vote for him so we can see what he really is, hopefully he flips mafia, but if he flips town atleast he's not here to cause any more confusion, he's caused enough already.
I'm not sure what arco is doing, I kind of liked his fake mason claim, but I think it was really risky for little reward, while spoiling another fake mason claim is kind of a good thing, I'm sure we could have figured out it was fake some other way, somehow. For now, I'm fairly neutral on him.
Posting more in a bit, switching pcs.
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On November 03 2012 04:39 Promethelax wrote:
'sup Acro. Care to respond to anything I have said?
Look, I'm town (I don't care if you think so, just run with it for a second) and if you get my lynched and I flip town what will you have gained by having me here? Nothing. You won't even acknowledge me or anything I've said. If, instead you work with me and look into what I have said town might be able to gain something even while mislynching me.
Ignore me if you want to but that is a scum claim.
On November 03 2012 05:00 Promethelax wrote:
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See above for why I don't want to lynch Muso. His lynch feels like a coin flip that 1) doesn't have an amazing chance of netting us scum and 2) won't help us find the scum team if he is town or scum.
<snip>.
Well the bolds make me feel like you're playing a game of damage limitation:
You're almost assuming that we're going to lynch town and our best shot is to lynch a town who will give us good information.
The next one includes "or scum." As in: if he is scum, we still don't want to lynch him because we won't receive more information about other scum members.
1) we lynch to get scum, so if we think he is scum, we lynch him. No excuses.
2) if he is scum, we can more clearly see the agenda behind it through his posts, intereactions, etc.
I can definitely see a scum agenda: he is trying to cause us to gather as much information as possible without actually hitting a scum.
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