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Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 19:10 GMT

#1187

Also at the list: post your reasons, ffs.

Risk, why do you have Prom and mkfuba as scum? Do you really think Prom pulled that bus off? And hopeless' case on prom was a bus-case?!

Do you think mkfuba is lying about the jail on Prom? If so, who RB'd prom? Or do you think they're scum together?

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 19:11 GMT

#1188

Also: what is your reasoning for Release not being on your possible SK list?

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 19:20 GMT

#1189

@Kush: I did have some further questions for you regarding your flavour.

1. Explain this:

On November 03 2012 02:37 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't like the muso bandwagon.
KID WATCHING TV. It seems unlikely that scum would come up with that role name, especially since the first claim was Jessica rabbit. And it fits my non character vt theory really well.

On November 03 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Ah shit that is a flow claim.
The role names are valuable as fuck..don't see why people don't realize that.

Carrot sounds good to me.

##unvote
this is just drazak being drazak (Sry about double zs before)

On November 03 2012 06:08 kushm4sta wrote:
##vote muso
cause there's no one else

On November 04 2012 03:00 kushm4sta wrote:

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I did not know he was town. I thought it was town. I voted him because I thought there was a better chance for him to flip red than drazak. Him and drazak were the only options. There was also prome, MAYBE but I didn't like the case on prpl.

Why did you find CARROT a better claim than "Kid watching TV"? Despite

On November 03 2012 06:02 kushm4sta wrote:
Tnt is the most obvious one lol

2. Why was "Punch clock" a good claim at the time, but given more time it was a terrible claim.

Does "Punch clock" being a terrible claim affect the validity of carrot being a good claim?

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 19:37 GMT

#1191

On November 08 2012 04:32 risk.nuke wrote:

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Wow, get hostile much?

There are no blues to protect. Might aswell hear everyones claims.

Yet we had 3 claimed roleblocks yesterday. All fakeclaims or scum roleblockers?

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 19:38 GMT

#1192

On November 08 2012 04:32 risk.nuke wrote:

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Wow, get hostile much?

There are no blues to protect. Might aswell hear everyones claims.

You are bluehunting and it looks even worse than when Kush as doing it.

And yes, I was hostile, because I had you down as a better player than Kush.

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 19:39 GMT

#1193

Also, explain your list.

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 20:59 GMT

#1201

Town:

Acro
Prom
mkfuba

Town or scum:
Kush

Town or SK:
DP

Scum:
Drazerk

Unknown:
Risk
Release
Thrawn

Out of the unknowns, I have not yet spent enough time trying to figure risk out. I am hoping I won't need to. I think he's a bad lynch candidate today and that is about all I need to know right now. Release feels like and SK and thrawn feels like town, but neither strongly enough to put them in their corresponding classes.

Regarding Thrawn:
I agree with mkfuba's assessment that thrawn and kush make an unlikely scumteam (I had that written down, I was happy to see mkfuba agreed). That means that if thrawn is scum, then kush is either town or SK. I don't feel kush has been playing like an SK AT ALL (I also went through Kush's filter for an indication of this and I don't really find anything, except his sudden acceptance of bugs bunny as a town role, rather than scum), leaving Kush town (if thrawn is scum).

Kush town and Thrawn scum is a possible option: Thrawn picked Kush to fake a DT check on precisely because he was suspecting him (and thus a DT check was credible). He has since kept the show up admirably by appearing to puzzle over Kush's behaviour (well, either a show or trying to figure out whether Kush is the SK).

Thrawn being SK seems rather dubious. With that claim he runs the risk of outting himself to scum. That is something an SK would normally not do. Plus, Thrawn is keeping up the appearance of really trying to puzzle out Release and Kush (he has left most other players slide, which is something I really don't like). That does not seem to jibe with an SK play.

Some things I like in Thrawn's filter and some things I don't. Yesterday I honestly thought he had done more scumhunting than he actually had. I don't like his lack of an opinion on many things. However, some things stand out as rather townie:

1. He did hammer hopeless1der, even if Kush hopped back on before thrawn did.
2. He placed a (somewhat obvious) trap when Drazak scumclaimed for the first time.
3. I think DP sprung a trap which was intended for me, although I'm not sure I see the point of that one.
Traps are not immediately indicative of town play, but they do indicate a town mindset: scum are generally too lazy to trap, because people are scummy enough in their own right and they already know the alignments. A hyperactive scum might try to trap for the SK (or even for the sake of looking town), but I don't feel thrawn is hyperactive this game

However, there is still enough doubt in my mind to place him in the "unknown" list. Plus I agree that his roleclaim seems unnecessary.

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 21:01 GMT

#1202

On November 08 2012 05:39 Promethelax wrote:
Oh and I somehow forgot to do this already:
##Vote: Drazak

+ Show Spoiler [Acro look here] +

You should claim+ Show Spoiler +

you know why?+ Show Spoiler +

I'll tell you why+ Show Spoiler +

if you put me and you together we'd be like the water in mexico.

No potable?

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 21:07 GMT

#1204

On November 08 2012 06:05 kushm4sta wrote:
@prome drazak already claimed
@acro why is dp SK or town and not scum?

See my night post.

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 21:24 GMT

#1208

Re promethelax: I have no experience with bugs' setup rules, but you might find some indications in post-game analysis of previous games:
Movie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=346522
Emergency: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341663
WoF: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330925

I'm going home. I guess I have probably made my role so blatantly obvious by now that even a blind man could have figured it out. I know the obsQT has it.

So fine. I am Jessica Rabbit, the roleblocker.
First night I tried to RB Prom, but failed miserably due to getting RB'd myself. Someone else RB'd Prom too, though, so that was kinda funny.

Second night after agonizing over wth to do I RB'd Release, because I figured there was a good chance of him being SK. I very very nearly RB'd Kush which would've been a giant waste of time and I agonized for a long time over whether I should RB Drazak due to blatant obviousness after all. Settled on Release for his dark horse qualities: using RB as a cop check is fun. Unfortunately there are still too many possibilities to have learned all that much.

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 22:57 GMT

#1221

On November 08 2012 07:10 Promethelax wrote:

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I don't like your reaction, I asked because I wanted to see your response but what you have given me is defensiveness and no answer. This has been a trend for you this game and the fact that you get defensive about it instead of feeling bad about it reads as a scummy mindset to me and not a townie one.

Green claims mean that we can't fake claim other roles if we are getting lynched. That is why they matter.

More Set Up Speculation
Ummm....I know we aren't playing C9++ really but if we were:
3 M = 1 1shot and 1 full JK
3 B = 1 1shot and 1 full Role Blocker
1 C = 1 1 shot cop
that is all seven roles with no T so, in normal C9++ we would have Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather but no SK, now I know this doesn't follow those rules per se but that seems like a good system to base our ideas on, the thing is that for an SK to be present we'd need one T which would mean that one of the 1-shots doesn't exist, either Fuba or Thrawn would be scum and I'd vote thrawn before fuba.

No. Actually only need 2 Ms and 2 Rs for 1shot and full of each. I read that wrong too when I was hoping to get a vig to claim. We're actually only up to 5. Could still be 2Ts, however that does not jibe with the KP on N1, meaning we're missing either a full vig or a 1-shot something-or-other. Or WBG shuffled it up and because jailers are stronger than medics, he is following the cop-structure for jailers, meaning we're at 1T. Yay for another level of setup wifom.

As I said, claiming was fucking stupid. It serves no purpose for scumhunting and it was stupid of everybody to want it. Go feel ashamed if you were a townie who wanted mass claims in a normal game.

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 23:12 GMT

#1223

Actually, still doing it wrong. For the KP to work out with the claims so far, we'd have to have:

CDDBBVV: A full vig hiding somewhere. That would put us at 0Ts and happiness. However, the only one who can claim vig with any hope of being believed is Release and I don't see much difference between him claiming vig and SK: either way town controls his KP and if we find 3 scum and the game isn't over, he was an SK.
CDDDBBT: mkfuba being a full jailer. However, I believe his 1-shot claim or there is no reason for him not to use it N1.
CCDDBBT: thrawn being a full cop. This would actually be a rather clever roleclaim.
CDDBBVT: a 1-shot vig hiding in the shadows somewhere
CDDBBMT: a miller <-- didn't claim, so doesn't exist
CDDDBBT: bugs following the cop/vig-rules for jailers

WIFOM AWAY!

Going DOWN to 3Ts removes the Godfather from the equation, so that is not possible according to the list. This makes me more likely to believe Thrawn's claim. Guess at least something good came out of it.

Acrofales

Spain18217 Posts

November 07 2012 23:19 GMT

#1224

Yo Kush, what do you think of the newly claimed roles?

I have a sneaking suspicion it's Innocent Wabbit. It just feels more bugsy.

Yo risk, are you scum?