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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 19 2012 18:56 GMT
#4
/in
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 20 2012 00:28 GMT
#37
the defending champ is here.

And i have the great privilege of having rolled town fuckers and i just have one thing to say to the mafia out there.


that was actually footage taped earlier today with blazinghand interviewing me.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 20 2012 01:01 GMT
#52
On October 20 2012 09:53 Hapahauli wrote:
@ iamperfection

Welcome to the dick pics party! Whaddya think of policy and whatnot?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&currentpage=2#25

Im all for using votes to apply pressure and we don't have to worry about someone doing a stupid hammer it wont happen. However all this policy talk bores me time for some action.

On October 20 2012 09:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi drazak? What is your role?

blatant blue hunting darthpunk. Why not ask alignment instead of role?

Talk to me darthpunk i wish to know more.
## Vote DarthPunk


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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 20 2012 01:04 GMT
#54
On October 20 2012 10:03 drazak wrote:
Haha, I was gonna do the same thing for his way of asking me, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to be the first vote.

##Vote DarthPunk

why would you be afraid to cast the 1st vote?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 20 2012 01:08 GMT
#58
tell me about yourself drazak i think i have played with almost every player in this game what makes drazak tick.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 20 2012 03:36 GMT
#91
On October 20 2012 12:19 austinmcc wrote:
Ahoy.

Haven't played with drazak or v7, although I've read some of the games that v7 played on TL. Looking forward to this game though, the format was interesting for the others, even if SOMEONE went and killed me early in the one I played.

There was some chat in obs and post-game after GSL Open 2 that everyone should read. We treated too many days as 72-hour days, never made the instant majority system work for us in that game. I don't want to play overly scared of votes or hitting majority, and I don't support any kind of policy where we're FOSing or some other pseudo-vote. I'd much prefer we vote, vote for reasons, and be held accountable for those votes and reasons.

+ Show Spoiler +
nick being Nick 'breakycpk' Caras = /slowclap



don't be so nub and post closer to the day post.


On October 20 2012 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Perfection. You called me out and wanted to know more and Have now disappeared. You satisfied with my explanation? got anything else to add. Or you going to drop a vote and AFK?



No i wasn't really satisfied with your answer because it comes based on an assumption you made. but i would like more information. Epically after i heard more from drazak.

tell me have you played with him before?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 20 2012 03:37 GMT
#92
and as much as i would like to play mafia with all my good friends on a Friday night i must go to bed
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 03:36 GMT
#164
On October 21 2012 12:14 Hapahauli wrote:
ok I may or may not be sober now due to a certain college football rivalry game but w/e

I don't think Drazzzz's vote is scummy - he's voting you to generate discussion, and townies are capable of doing weird stuff like that (for those of you who have played with kush, see his filter in all his games). Plus, it's not like he's voting DP and he thinks DP is town. Big difference.

Aaaaaaanywho, I'm rather interested in iamperfection right now. He's usually much more interested in games as town, and his lurkiness early in the game lines up with his mafia-meta pretty well.

##Vote iamperfection

Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:10 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:59 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hapa
I see now, you referred to his over-thought out plan as "incomprehensible logic". Not gonna sweat over your choice of words, but I felt that needed some clearing up. You're obviously not scum... right? right??


I be like town yo. You can so take my word for it =D

+ Show Spoiler +
/evil laugh+ Show Spoiler +
JK



FU hapa. You look town as scum. I read through XXI you looked so town, that even when you outed yourself as scum you looked townie townie town town.


*giggles*

@ Marv

I will get my chess revenge damnit. But grats!

such bad manners im trying to read filters right now

Let me get the iamperfection activity myth squashed right now so it will be clear for all future games since im town this game. It is true my activity does usually lack as scum but across the board my activity usually lacks day 1 in all my games. Thats why i try to be aggressive and usally attack some bullshit early on i attacked shaopi in liquid city very early and i attacked dp here. If you look across my games where i was town recently i always do the same thing attack early rockband, liquidcity and here. so if you really want to find out if im scum your just going to have to wait but you dont have to worry about because im not.

Now to more pressing topics.

This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him.

Darthpunk also reads as town to me because of many of his posts seem to be trying to figure out alignments and he promotes discussion namely here

On October 20 2012 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Perfection. You called me out and wanted to know more and Have now disappeared. You satisfied with my explanation? got anything else to add. Or you going to drop a vote and AFK?


This post reads as super town to me as in he dosent attack me for simply throwing a vote out there and he wants me to be clearer with my thinking i like that so i will say town for him as well.

also dp said some dumb stuff as well.

## Unvote

As for scum i really like the points that austin brought up about vaderseven. He really talks about himself a lot in his first few posts and not really much at all concerning this game

I wants this sob to talk.

## Vote Vaderseven
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 03:36 GMT
#165
also who's here right now to talk?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 03:48 GMT
#166
come on hapa you were here like 5 mins ago i'm bored lets go.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 03:53 GMT
#167
On October 21 2012 09:45 drazak wrote:
So scum are wishywashy (if I unvoted you), but deciding to keep pressure on you is also scummy? You sir are trying to set a trap to catch a townie, not catch scum.

also stop thinking like this. I think it would in fact meant the opposite. As long as you give logical reasons on why your changing your vote its not scummy in my view it would show that your trying to figure stuff.

Just because i think your town because of the stupid stuff that dosen't give you an excuse to keep doing it shape up.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 04:01 GMT
#170
On October 21 2012 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him.


Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not.

i dont think so ive have seen this a lot espcially in my newbie games and it seems drazak is right out his newbies. The only person i remember saying dumb stuff on purpose was yourharry and he did that to match his meta.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 04:12 GMT
#173
On October 21 2012 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 13:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 21 2012 13:01 iamperfection wrote:
On October 21 2012 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:
This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him.


Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not.

i dont think so ive have seen this a lot espcially in my newbie games and it seems drazak is right out his newbies. The only person i remember saying dumb stuff on purpose was yourharry and he did that to match his meta.


Nah mafia can say stupid stuff as well. Kush said silly things as town and scum. YourHarry in his most recent scum game also spouted off some stupid things, and not just to satisfy his meta. Saying stupid things is a null-tell alone.

Howwweva, looking at Draz's defenses to his "stupid" statements seem pretty townie. He instantly and calmly responds to accusations against him. There's no hint of hesitancy or over-defensiveness at all.


Bleh. If you are reading him as town we are on completely different pages. Which townie in their right mind would keep a vote on someone they think is not scum? There is not rationalising that action with a townie mindset.

a dumb one
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 04:18 GMT
#181
On October 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 13:16 austinmcc wrote:
On October 21 2012 13:14 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 21 2012 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 21 2012 13:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 21 2012 13:01 iamperfection wrote:
On October 21 2012 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:
This drazak kid falls into the category of saying such dumb stuff that he must be town is what im thinking. I remember from liquid city and my newbie games that saying dumb stuff is not a scum tell and in fact it usally means the opposite. Also i cant imagine this game where there are 2 scum and the player list that we have that drazak would continue to say dumb stuff like he has so i would have to say town for him.


Oh, and Idunno if I'd go THAT far. Mafia are capable of saying stupid things as well, though I do think he's town based on his interest levels. The question is whether he maintains his activity or not.

i dont think so ive have seen this a lot espcially in my newbie games and it seems drazak is right out his newbies. The only person i remember saying dumb stuff on purpose was yourharry and he did that to match his meta.


Nah mafia can say stupid stuff as well. Kush said silly things as town and scum. YourHarry in his most recent scum game also spouted off some stupid things, and not just to satisfy his meta. Saying stupid things is a null-tell alone.

Howwweva, looking at Draz's defenses to his "stupid" statements seem pretty townie. He instantly and calmly responds to accusations against him. There's no hint of hesitancy or over-defensiveness at all.


Bleh. If you are reading him as town we are on completely different pages. Which townie in their right mind would keep a vote on someone they think is not scum? There is not rationalising that action with a townie mindset.


It's a similar read to my read on you really. Newer townies aren't "tainted" sometimes have very creative reasons for voting people. In this case, Drazak is saying he's keeping his vote on a null read to generate discussion - I don't agree completely with the rationale, but I don't find that mindset scummy.

But it's good that you don't agree with me - it generates discussion and whatnot. I have more faith in Drazak's explanation than you do. Either way, I do want to hear more from him on the subject - can't hurt.

hapa thinks non-new townies are "tainted." Not a townie mindset. Scum hapa!


Damn you caught me! T_T

he claimed choo chooo all aboard
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 04:20 GMT
#184
On October 21 2012 13:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Stuff me with your votes!

But in all seriousness, can't tell if austin's being sarcastic or not. There's a reason I use the word "tainted" in quotes. "Influenced" is probably a better term, but tainted sounds funnier =)

in non seriousness didnt you coach him so he would be in fact tainted by you.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 14:23 GMT
#214
On October 21 2012 10:10 vaderseven wrote:
I will post more tonight after work. Posting from atm and I read everything since I last posted.... not much going on go?nna have to examine things close tonight.

guys guys guys me keen detective mind has picked up on something. Vaderseven said he would post after work and you look through the thread VERY closely you will notice that he in fact did not do that. I don't know what kind of job vader has but ill i know is i went to bed and he hadn't posted and he has still not posted after i have gotten up.

Seriously though i think that saying your gonna do something and not doing it is one of the worst things you can do. Its a stalling tactic and i DEMAND vaderseven get in here and fast preferably .
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 14:32 GMT
#217
if you want to know Keirathi's alignment its very easy. Watch and learn

@Keirathi
Keirathi what is my alignment?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 17:12 GMT
#275
On October 22 2012 01:10 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, about v7:

I'm not entirely sold yet. He did the exact same thing as town in GSL 1. "Hey guys, I'll post my reads later when I get home" and then disappeared until 10 minutes before the deadline and claimed doc at the last second :o

It's a stupid thing to do, but particularly for him, I don't think that necessarily makes him scummy.

Until he comes and posts something more substantial, he's a null'ish read, for me.


bullshit

he is scum for what he has done in this game. his posts are basically all talking about himself and he barely commented on anything else

Also dont you think he would learn from his failure from last game and wouldn't do what he did. V7 is scum for his actions in this game.

and.......

this is a phone post if i ever saw one

On October 21 2012 10:10 vaderseven wrote:
I will post more tonight after work. Posting from atm and I read everything since I last posted.... not much going on go?nna have to examine things close tonight.

Meaning he has the ability to check the thread.


The least he could do is check in.He hasn't. i have a big scum read on him.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 22:04 GMT
#341
On October 22 2012 02:12 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 01:10 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, about v7:

I'm not entirely sold yet. He did the exact same thing as town in GSL 1. "Hey guys, I'll post my reads later when I get home" and then disappeared until 10 minutes before the deadline and claimed doc at the last second :o

It's a stupid thing to do, but particularly for him, I don't think that necessarily makes him scummy.

Until he comes and posts something more substantial, he's a null'ish read, for me.


bullshit

he is scum for what he has done in this game. his posts are basically all talking about himself and he barely commented on anything else

Also dont you think he would learn from his failure from last game and wouldn't do what he did. V7 is scum for his actions in this game.

and.......

this is a phone post if i ever saw one

Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 10:10 vaderseven wrote:
I will post more tonight after work. Posting from atm and I read everything since I last posted.... not much going on go?nna have to examine things close tonight.

Meaning he has the ability to check the thread.


The least he could do is check in.He hasn't. i have a big scum read on him.



did anyone not see my post here or are people ignoring me as usual. I thought i was on to something here and i want Keirathi to explain why he thinks im wrong. Is it just because vaderseven acted like this in gsl 1 because i find to be a very weak argument.

Same goes for you hapa since you had a vote on him and took it off why is my reasoning wrong here.

Please explain.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 22:08 GMT
#343
and now its time for the second half have some exciting stuff when i get back.

+ Show Spoiler +
If the patriots lose to the jets and i don't come back just assume im dead or in a ditch somewhere with crippling depression
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 21 2012 23:59 GMT
#379
On October 22 2012 08:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Also @ iamp

Patriots win, you may resume posting nao =D

winning is not enough it was still a disgrace.

as towards your out of thread evidence stuff i thought that was a no no but whatever ill throw my thoughts in about. I Know for a fact that i myself just leave the irc channel on even when i dont have games going on so i would say thats a null tell. My stance that a scum Drazak would never say some of the stupid stuff that he has said in this game still stands.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 22 2012 00:05 GMT
#380
On October 22 2012 08:50 Hapahauli wrote:
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On October 22 2012 08:47 Keirathi wrote:
Yes, there are. That's not what I meant though. Unless you mean draz is currently talking on irc, which is different from just being ON irc. My computer has irc on even though I'm not at my house right now.


Oh that's fair. I don't have a cellphone capable of internet access lol - never crossed my mind.

you need to get on that shit

my cellphone was mvp of gsl II
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 22 2012 00:19 GMT
#382
I was under the impression from my first newbie game that Keriathi was a very good player so his statements about not having any reads bug the fuck out of me. I don't get why he doesn't want to throw shit out there even if he dosen't feel particularly strong about it. Maybe its cause i have the opposite approach usually saying whatever i think but i hold him to higher standard then i do draz so his stupid shit dosent fly with me so ill say scum.

Austin and Z-bo have been sharing a lot so i would say town for now.

and even though you didn't ask I'm null on you. i'll never trust you after are first meeting.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 22 2012 00:21 GMT
#384
still would rather have v7 go over anybody though
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 22 2012 00:22 GMT
#385
On October 22 2012 09:21 Keirathi wrote:
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On October 22 2012 09:19 iamperfection wrote:
I was under the impression from my first newbie game that Keriathi was a very good player so his statements about not having any reads bug the fuck out of me. I don't get why he doesn't want to throw shit out there even if he dosen't feel particularly strong about it. Maybe its cause i have the opposite approach usually saying whatever i think but i hold him to higher standard then i do draz so his stupid shit dosent fly with me so ill say scum.

Austin and Z-bo have been sharing a lot so i would say town for now.

and even though you didn't ask I'm null on you. i'll never trust you after are first meeting.

You remember that I replaced into that game and had 2.5 days worth of information already, right?

Such a completely different scenario :o

i was trying to give you a compliment sort of
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 22 2012 00:23 GMT
#386
On October 22 2012 09:21 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 09:19 iamperfection wrote:
I was under the impression from my first newbie game that Keriathi was a very good player so his statements about not having any reads bug the fuck out of me. I don't get why he doesn't want to throw shit out there even if he dosen't feel particularly strong about it. Maybe its cause i have the opposite approach usually saying whatever i think but i hold him to higher standard then i do draz so his stupid shit dosent fly with me so ill say scum.

Austin and Z-bo have been sharing a lot so i would say town for now.

and even though you didn't ask I'm null on you. i'll never trust you after are first meeting.

You remember that I replaced into that game and had 2.5 days worth of information already, right?

Such a completely different scenario :o

plus theres plenty of shit to go off of try harder
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 22 2012 02:00 GMT
#407


I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy

You now move from my scum category to super scum category.

come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.

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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 22 2012 02:00 GMT
#408
On October 22 2012 10:58 vaderseven wrote:
I can do that.

i hope so
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 22 2012 02:16 GMT
#412
On October 22 2012 11:11 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote:


I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy

You now move from my scum category to super scum category.

come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.



You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum?

yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior.

Same goes for you Keirathi.
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October 22 2012 02:19 GMT
#414
On October 22 2012 11:17 drazak wrote:
Ok, I'm home now, will be reading more closely, feel free to ask my questions, I'll reply every little bit while I read.

and yeah hapa, my irc client is connected 24/7, ask someone else from #tlmafia if you want

a little homework before i go to bed for you drazak tell me what you think of these vader7 and Keirathi nom sharer of reads guys. I know your vote is on v7 but go into a little more depth if you could.

Good night.
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October 22 2012 02:24 GMT
#416
On October 22 2012 11:20 vaderseven wrote:
Dude i NEVER refused to give reads wtf.

Then go do it!!!
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October 22 2012 02:25 GMT
#417
Now good nights for realz
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October 22 2012 13:47 GMT
#441
On October 22 2012 11:28 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 11:16 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:11 vaderseven wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote:


I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy

You now move from my scum category to super scum category.

come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.



You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum?

yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior.

Same goes for you Keirathi.

It's super fucking easy to say "that's scum behavior!" But is it? What would you say if you lynched me and I flip town? "Oh, he was playing scummy. He deserved it!"?

i would hold a candle light vigil in your honor if you flipped town.

i think its a moot point to keep hammering this point. you even said yourself its a terrible mindset that has gotten you lynched in the past. also its concerning that you called out for it in gsl I.

On September 07 2012 00:48 Keirathi wrote:
Really marv? You know me better than that.

You question me every game for not taking hard stances day 1. My playstyle hasn't changed and isn't going to. I form opinions slowly and deliberately.

you were scum remember.


Me representing the town i am asking you to change nay begging you to change. If you are scum continue i have no problem pushing a lynch on you at this point. Shape up or die.
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October 22 2012 16:01 GMT
#454
On October 23 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now.


And now I don't want to lynch him at all.

um what are you saying here?
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October 22 2012 16:03 GMT
#456
On October 23 2012 01:02 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 00:57 austinmcc wrote:
On October 23 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now.


And now I don't want to lynch him at all.

The him here is in reference to v7?

Yep.

so you don't want to lynch him because zbos wants to lynch him?
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October 22 2012 20:27 GMT
#522
Posting from phone dont lynch z-bos wait untll I get home please.
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October 23 2012 01:01 GMT
#607
people need to stop ignoring my posts when im town it happens every fucking game basically. When i say wait it means wait.

Although i would of pushed v7 even if i had gotten back in time fucker had to go so im not really mad

Any who another post that got ignored that i should have probably pushed harder when i made it was this one

On October 22 2012 22:47 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 11:28 Keirathi wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:16 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:11 vaderseven wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote:


I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy

You now move from my scum category to super scum category.

come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.



You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum?

yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior.

Same goes for you Keirathi.

It's super fucking easy to say "that's scum behavior!" But is it? What would you say if you lynched me and I flip town? "Oh, he was playing scummy. He deserved it!"?

i would hold a candle light vigil in your honor if you flipped town.

i think its a moot point to keep hammering this point. you even said yourself its a terrible mindset that has gotten you lynched in the past. also its concerning that you called out for it in gsl I.

Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 00:48 Keirathi wrote:
Really marv? You know me better than that.

You question me every game for not taking hard stances day 1. My playstyle hasn't changed and isn't going to. I form opinions slowly and deliberately.

you were scum remember.


Me representing the town i am asking you to change nay begging you to change. If you are scum continue i have no problem pushing a lynch on you at this point. Shape up or die.



Kerihati used the same fucking argument when he was scum in gsl 1. He Basically he argues this how i always act and thats why he was doing this.

My scum read on Kerihati remains and his stupid argument after the flip even makes less sense since he observed gsl II. People used shit arguments to blame ottoxol for being scum in that game just because he droped a hammer. I think droping a hammer is a null tell and the fact that kerihati blatantly abandoned all logic makes me think he is scum.
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October 23 2012 01:04 GMT
#611
On October 23 2012 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:
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On October 23 2012 05:27 iamperfection wrote:
Posting from phone dont lynch z-bos wait untll I get home please.


So you don't find him scummy then? Do tell.

and wtf was this shit.

I simply was saying wait because i wanted v7 gone i was saying nothing about the alignment of zbos and this seems eerily familiar to when in liquid city you said i was "chain saw" defending someone i was saying nothing about zbos and it looks like from my view you are trying to twist my words again.

Fos Hapa
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October 23 2012 01:12 GMT
#614
[QUOTE]On October 23 2012 10:12 DarthPunk wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP, that's a real bad tell.
From liquid city:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:16 iamperfection wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/[/QUOTE]
shaopi is voting for dp.[/QUOTE]
Yea that's making me uneasy on who to vote.
The biggest tagline of my voting on ShiaoPi is being useless with a fair possibility of being scum.
The biggest tagline of me wanting to vote DP is that I actually find him scum.[/QUOTE]

Open the spoilers and you find this [QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/[/QUOTE]
This right here vindicates what I have been saying all along, This is exactly what I would expect ZB to be doing rather than ninja sheeping onto V7.

[QUOTE]On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, I don't get why people are thinking I'm sheeping. First of all, there's not really much to say on v7.
[/QUOTE]

Maybe because V7 became his number one scum read out of friggin nowhere. Maybe because he was willing to lynch him despite expending so little effort on V7 and much more effort elsewhere. Maybe because ZB whines when he has to vote for a lurker and much prefers others lynching to his cases rather than sheeping others cases. Maybe Because he hammers like a retard when he is the counter wagon.

OMERGAHD I am so mad right now.[/QUOTE]
so much fail fix the quotes
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October 23 2012 01:12 GMT
#615
oh lol
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October 23 2012 01:13 GMT
#616
i did not do that on purpose that actually just happened.
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October 23 2012 01:27 GMT
#620
On October 23 2012 10:24 marvellosity wrote:
iamp, living up to his name like a baws.


har har so funny how long did you stay up thinking that one up.
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October 23 2012 01:42 GMT
#627
On October 23 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I 100% do not want to lynch keir right now. So if that comes up as a thing. Ima shut it down as hard as I can.

why
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October 23 2012 01:45 GMT
#629
On October 23 2012 10:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 10:42 iamperfection wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I 100% do not want to lynch keir right now. So if that comes up as a thing. Ima shut it down as hard as I can.

why

Is there a reason you want to know? I don't feel like I particularly want or need to share my reasons. Especially at night.

well i said i thought he was scum so if you have reason he is not that would interest me.
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October 23 2012 02:00 GMT
#642
On October 23 2012 10:53 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:
people need to stop ignoring my posts when im town it happens every fucking game basically. When i say wait it means wait.

Although i would of pushed v7 even if i had gotten back in time fucker had to go so im not really mad

Any who another post that got ignored that i should have probably pushed harder when i made it was this one

On October 22 2012 22:47 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:28 Keirathi wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:16 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:11 vaderseven wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote:


I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy

You now move from my scum category to super scum category.

come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.



You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum?

yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior.

Same goes for you Keirathi.

It's super fucking easy to say "that's scum behavior!" But is it? What would you say if you lynched me and I flip town? "Oh, he was playing scummy. He deserved it!"?

i would hold a candle light vigil in your honor if you flipped town.

i think its a moot point to keep hammering this point. you even said yourself its a terrible mindset that has gotten you lynched in the past. also its concerning that you called out for it in gsl I.

On September 07 2012 00:48 Keirathi wrote:
Really marv? You know me better than that.

You question me every game for not taking hard stances day 1. My playstyle hasn't changed and isn't going to. I form opinions slowly and deliberately.

you were scum remember.


Me representing the town i am asking you to change nay begging you to change. If you are scum continue i have no problem pushing a lynch on you at this point. Shape up or die.



Kerihati used the same fucking argument when he was scum in gsl 1. He Basically he argues this how i always act and thats why he was doing this.

My scum read on Kerihati remains and his stupid argument after the flip even makes less sense since he observed gsl II. People used shit arguments to blame ottoxol for being scum in that game just because he droped a hammer. I think droping a hammer is a null tell and the fact that kerihati blatantly abandoned all logic makes me think he is scum.

I used the same argument as town in Aperture 2, and I Can't Believe It's Not Themed too, as town. So...how is that relevant? You're making an argument about my "meta" without any fucking clue what my meta actually is. Or hell, what meta even is in general. It's a pattern of things repeated across multiple games. That I even have to explain this to you is so mindboggling that I can't comprehend it, since I've used it to correctly read you and tell you about it in like 4 different games, granted I was wrong in another game.

I actually don't know what you're talking about with Ottoxlol. I named my scumteam in the obs thread on night 1, then checked out because the game was boring and dead.

You're right. Dropping a hammer, in and of itself, is completely a completely null tell. Did I ever say I was voting him for hammering v7? No. I'm going to vote him for the REASONS he hammered v7.

my point was that ottoxol got heat just because he dropped a hammer vote and the other town members herp derped for a little bit saying lol obvious scum is obvious.
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October 23 2012 13:27 GMT
#660
i want everyone to look at the player list and tell me with v7 flipping at town what fucking possible partner for drazek would allow some of the supid shit that drazek has said.

and this action takes the cake.

On October 23 2012 05:43 drazak wrote:
About which?


he gets asked a direct question and abandons the thread. i know wifom wifom wifom but come on dont you think he would be able to ask his scum buddy for some advice if he were scum. That would make more sense from my view.

Even me a newish player would be able to help him a little bit.

Im just not buying drazak as scum.
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October 23 2012 13:45 GMT
#662
On October 23 2012 22:37 marvellosity wrote:
that IS wifom wifom wifom and is a terrible reason for anything.


Then whats his fucking strategy play terrible on purpose a scum drazak would have a partner that is a fact.i dont see anyone on the player list that would allow this to happen.
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October 23 2012 16:08 GMT
#675
On October 24 2012 00:56 austinmcc wrote:
iamperfection,

Apart from the whole "what scumbuddy would allow this" train of thought, what are your thoughts on drazak? Do you still stick with "said some things too odd/dumb to be scum"?

obviously i looked through his filter and its awful but his latest actions just straighten my too stupid theory. Maybe that's not textbook scum hunting but i don't particularly care I'm pretty sure I'm right.


drazak looks to me like he is a lost useless townie.
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October 23 2012 16:17 GMT
#677
strengthen
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October 23 2012 16:25 GMT
#678
and to not too
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October 23 2012 16:25 GMT
#679
i think
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October 23 2012 17:37 GMT
#691
On October 24 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Hey guys, I've been really busy with schoolwork for the last half-day. I do have some stuff to has out, and I'll post more complete thoughts when I get out of class in a couple of hours.



Regarding Z-Bo/Kei

The "99.9%" thing seems like very misplaced rhetoric. Unless there's something you're withholding from us, Z-Bo's actions so far in no way make him 99.9% scum. I see you posting a lot of "weak reasoning," but so what? Fact of the matter is, there wasn't much reasoning to discuss on the v7 lynch. He was inactive, hadn't been contributing, and therefore some of us found him scummy. I can see how this can be interpreted as scummy, but "99.9%" is farfetched at best.

In fact, what do you make about the rest of Z-Bo's play? It's important to take into consideration more than just his stuff on v7. Is there anything else about his play that suggests scum Z-Bo? The context of his play, in particularly his fearlessness, points to the exact opposite methinks.

But your attitude shift from "I don't wanna make a D1 read" helplessness to "99.9% scum" on Z-Boson is really really weird. I'm not sure if it makes you scummy or not, but it is strange. I'll have to mull this one over.



Regarding Drazak

I don't know what to make of his in-activity at all. However, I kinda think he's town due to process of elimination (see below)



Regarding my Scumreads

Iamperfection
Marvellosity

The gist of it is that Marv's posting is really detached from this game, and is something I never see in his town games, but very frequently in his "lazier" scumgames.

Iamperfection also has this golden post here:

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On October 22 2012 22:47 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:28 Keirathi wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:16 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:11 vaderseven wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote:


I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy

You now move from my scum category to super scum category.

come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.



You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum?

yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior.

Same goes for you Keirathi.

It's super fucking easy to say "that's scum behavior!" But is it? What would you say if you lynched me and I flip town? "Oh, he was playing scummy. He deserved it!"?

i would hold a candle light vigil in your honor if you flipped town.

i think its a moot point to keep hammering this point. you even said yourself its a terrible mindset that has gotten you lynched in the past. also its concerning that you called out for it in gsl I.

On September 07 2012 00:48 Keirathi wrote:
Really marv? You know me better than that.

You question me every game for not taking hard stances day 1. My playstyle hasn't changed and isn't going to. I form opinions slowly and deliberately.

you were scum remember.


Me representing the town i am asking you to change nay begging you to change. If you are scum continue i have no problem pushing a lynch on you at this point. Shape up or die.


...where he basically calls Kei scum outright on Day 1 yet keeps his vote on v7 the entire day. I'm also sure I'm not mis-interpreting his "candle-light vigil" comment since he clarified his scumread on Kei here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&currentpage=31#607

Also, I noticed that he had an "FOS" on me right after the lynch deadline, but has done nothing so far to push his read, despite me not posting in the thread at all in the last ~16 hours or so.

He's also just really really sure about Draz being town, which is odd to me. I know I had a town read on Draz before, but so clearly declaring him town is completely unjustified in light of his complete absence from the thread after early D1.

i already addressed that i commented i should have pushed harder something you conveniently left off. go read gsl II if you think im acting the same way as i did there then so be it but i know im not because im town. Just because i made a little mistake of not pushing as hard as i should of doesn't make me scum and the fact that you left out that i already brought it up strengthens my read on you because you are once again twisting my words for your convenience.

On October 23 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:
people need to stop ignoring my posts when im town it happens every fucking game basically. When i say wait it means wait.

Although i would of pushed v7 even if i had gotten back in time fucker had to go so im not really mad

Any who another post that got ignored that i should have probably pushed harder when i made it was this one

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On October 22 2012 22:47 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:28 Keirathi wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:16 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:11 vaderseven wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote:


I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy

You now move from my scum category to super scum category.

come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.



You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum?

yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior.

Same goes for you Keirathi.

It's super fucking easy to say "that's scum behavior!" But is it? What would you say if you lynched me and I flip town? "Oh, he was playing scummy. He deserved it!"?

i would hold a candle light vigil in your honor if you flipped town.

i think its a moot point to keep hammering this point. you even said yourself its a terrible mindset that has gotten you lynched in the past. also its concerning that you called out for it in gsl I.

On September 07 2012 00:48 Keirathi wrote:
Really marv? You know me better than that.

You question me every game for not taking hard stances day 1. My playstyle hasn't changed and isn't going to. I form opinions slowly and deliberately.

you were scum remember.


Me representing the town i am asking you to change nay begging you to change. If you are scum continue i have no problem pushing a lynch on you at this point. Shape up or die.



Kerihati used the same fucking argument when he was scum in gsl 1. He Basically he argues this how i always act and thats why he was doing this.

My scum read on Kerihati remains and his stupid argument after the flip even makes less sense since he observed gsl II. People used shit arguments to blame ottoxol for being scum in that game just because he droped a hammer. I think droping a hammer is a null tell and the fact that kerihati blatantly abandoned all logic makes me think he is scum.



Does this post not count or did you simply ignore it. And you know what i don't particularly care that i didn't push Kerihati because it had zero traction anyways his actions today speak louder where he straight up ignores everything besides z-boson basically. HE only comments on things he is comfortable with and thats me and now apparently herp derp zboson hammer must be scum he is the one that has been distant to going on's in this thread and the fact that you ignored that previous post i made concerns me a lot because i know your capable of better.

From my perspective you are twisting words just to make a case.

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October 23 2012 19:25 GMT
#702
On October 24 2012 03:42 Hapahauli wrote:
@ iamperfection

You not pushing your case isn't the main issue here (well it IS an issue, but not the main point). The concern I have is that you basically called Kei scum, and simply left your vote on v7 the entire time. What you post after the fact - what you said you should have done in retrospect - has no bearing on what you did.



i believe i chimed in from my phone. i couldn't be involved sorry? i guess. had work. And you know what even if was here i still would have left my vote on vaderseven the guy did nothing to make me think he was town.

so basically your case boils down to i didnt act like you. Vaderseven came across to me like he was full of crap so i make no apologies for leaving my vote on him.
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October 23 2012 21:30 GMT
#709
On October 24 2012 05:23 Keirathi wrote:
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On October 24 2012 04:25 iamperfection wrote:
On October 24 2012 03:42 Hapahauli wrote:
@ iamperfection

You not pushing your case isn't the main issue here (well it IS an issue, but not the main point). The concern I have is that you basically called Kei scum, and simply left your vote on v7 the entire time. What you post after the fact - what you said you should have done in retrospect - has no bearing on what you did.



i believe i chimed in from my phone. i couldn't be involved sorry? i guess. had work. And you know what even if was here i still would have left my vote on vaderseven the guy did nothing to make me think he was town.

so basically your case boils down to i didnt act like you. Vaderseven came across to me like he was full of crap so i make no apologies for leaving my vote on him.

These are the kind of posts that are making me suspicious of iamp again. It's just so...not iamp. Town iamp doesn't give a fuck what you think about him. He explains himself when he feels like it, and doesn't care how bad the explanation is. He certainly doesnt apologize, even sarcastically.

you dont understand iamperfection as much as iamperfection does.
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October 23 2012 21:40 GMT
#714
On October 24 2012 06:31 Hapahauli wrote:
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On October 24 2012 04:39 austinmcc wrote:
Hapa, does iamperfection's very early vote on DP affect your read at all?


No, he's capable of doing that as both alignments. He voted early as scum in Aperture 2 Mafia, and votes early as town a lot in his other games. In fact, I find him pointing to his GSL II meta in his defense really odd, since Aperture 2 was his most recent scumgame.

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On October 24 2012 04:24 Keirathi wrote:
On October 24 2012 02:27 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 24 2012 02:19 Keirathi wrote:
Where did I ever say I had a strong town read on iamp? I said I had a slightly town read on him for the early tone of his posting, but that his later posting feels much more careful and like his scum tone.


Thoughts on my iamp case good sir?

I think your point about iamp calling me scum but keeping his vote on v7 would be the strongest point you made, BUT, he also said he had a very strong scum read on v7. It would make sense, if iamp is town, to leave his vote on one strong read when the other strong read isn't gaining any traction.


This is a valid point, however, I still think he's scum for additional reasons mentioned in my case (strangely confident Draz town read, un-pushed FOS on me). I also liked the point about how apologetic he is that you brought up. It's very different from townie iamp. His entire defense to me also has been really really passive, which IMO confirms my read on him.

who thought kush was town even after a red check from a dt.

iamperfection thats who
My town reads are usally right and i am confident in this one so that makes me scum fuck you

and fuck you to Keirathi if i want to defend myself i will so screw you.

i am very confident that one of you two is scum and now im leaning more towards hapa because hes say im being passive fuck you im right here say what you have to say.

Come 1 on 1 with the perfect one.
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October 23 2012 21:40 GMT
#715
On October 24 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv

Regarding iamp's "candle-light" thing, I initially thought that was the case as well (responding to Kei). However, iamperfection's more recent post (his clarification of that post) suggests my interpretation:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&currentpage=31#607

In it, he very clearly refers to that post as having a scumread on him.

Regarding misrepresenting iamp's suspicions (in particular the vote on v7 vs. Kei's suspicions)
Yah that's totally my bad. However, my other points still stand, namely his random FOS on me, his town read on Draz, and more recently, his uncharacteristically passive defense.

And btw, I find it funny you still haven't commented on iamperfection's alignment at all.

But I'm working on a case on you anyway - it'll take a little while to type.

fucking random it aint random at all you twist my words and make shit out of nothing and im supposed to think your town fuck you.
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October 23 2012 21:44 GMT
#719
On October 24 2012 06:43 Hapahauli wrote:
But one thing about Kei's observations about your "defense" is that you generally don't give a shit about explaining yourself or suspicions against you. You just went from passive to screaming "fuck fuck fuck" in the span of five minutes - that's not exactly normal for townie you.

because i started to actually read what was written about me and i didn't like it.
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October 24 2012 00:08 GMT
#755
i have to rethink everything.

hapa that was best case i have ever seen.

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October 24 2012 00:43 GMT
#772
On October 24 2012 09:42 Hapahauli wrote:
marv is claiming scum btw.

how??
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October 24 2012 01:17 GMT
#800
On October 24 2012 09:53 drazak wrote:
Wow, that post, I skimmed it before, but reading it again,I'm really starting to believe it, it's pretty comprehensive and those signs are pretty exact. I think if we lynch marv and he's scum, whomever the medic is has to save hapa because that wouldn't be a bus, but if marv isn't scum, maybe lynch hapa the next day?



Drazak continues to show me he has no idea whats going on by saying the dumbest stuff ever. On top of it its an association before a flip which i have the greatest disdains. Hapa disagrees wit my line of think here but i still maintain this shit is way to dumb for a scum drazak.

--------------------------------------------------

Hapas case i think is one of the best i have ever seen and marvs refusal to give reads is just the confirmation in my eyes. Despite what he says he is just stalling for as much time as possible in hopes that something happens. I know bullshit when i see and and his request to wait for tomorrow is bullshit.

## Vote Marvelosity

I agree with hapa that i see know way in which marv flips town at this point. This comes as quite a shock to me and now im pretty confused as to what i thought was going on in this game. Im gonna go to bed and rethink everything in the morning.
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October 24 2012 13:12 GMT
#869
alright so i have fresh mind and i just want to say something about marv that some of you guys might not understand. If there's one thing about marv that you might not know is that regardless of alignment he loves winning. Go look at rockband when palmar pissed him off he didn't whine like a baby he came back and tried to figure thing out after 1 hour. He is super dedicated to winning and his refusal to try to figure things out yesterday is very telling.

------------------------------------------

With that said i had something stuck out to me when i was re reading some filters

Darthpunk

On October 23 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:
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On October 23 2012 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:42 iamperfection wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I 100% do not want to lynch keir right now. So if that comes up as a thing. Ima shut it down as hard as I can.

why

Is there a reason you want to know? I don't feel like I particularly want or need to share my reasons. Especially at night.

well i said i thought he was scum so if you have reason he is not that would interest me.


I will talk about it during the day. If you still feel the same need to know.


after my second time reading this i just want to know how did you know you were going to live? because you in fact waited untill the day and not before the flip to post your thoughts. What gives.

Also what irony if i am in fact right.

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October 24 2012 13:12 GMT
#870
inb4 kush popcorn
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October 24 2012 14:52 GMT
#874
On October 24 2012 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:
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On October 24 2012 22:12 iamperfection wrote:
alright so i have fresh mind and i just want to say something about marv that some of you guys might not understand. If there's one thing about marv that you might not know is that regardless of alignment he loves winning. Go look at rockband when palmar pissed him off he didn't whine like a baby he came back and tried to figure thing out after 1 hour. He is super dedicated to winning and his refusal to try to figure things out yesterday is very telling.

------------------------------------------

With that said i had something stuck out to me when i was re reading some filters

Darthpunk

On October 23 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:42 iamperfection wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I 100% do not want to lynch keir right now. So if that comes up as a thing. Ima shut it down as hard as I can.

why

Is there a reason you want to know? I don't feel like I particularly want or need to share my reasons. Especially at night.

well i said i thought he was scum so if you have reason he is not that would interest me.


I will talk about it during the day. If you still feel the same need to know.


after my second time reading this i just want to know how did you know you were going to live? because you in fact waited untill the day and not before the flip to post your thoughts. What gives.

Also what irony if i am in fact right.



You are right that I didn't fear being Killed. Mainly because most of the players in this game are far better than I so which scum in their right mind would kill me?

Furthermore. I was explaining why I would argue hard against a keirathi lynch. If I am dead it does not matter. Savvy?

Weak as shit case.



i believe almost everyone had a town read on you.

So you in fact should have been thinking the opposite. Scum team wouldn't want to keep around someone everyone thinks is town. A nk would make sense on you and the fact that your thinking was the complete opposite is bull shit. How can you not see that?
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October 24 2012 14:54 GMT
#876
On October 24 2012 23:53 Keirathi wrote:
No one claimed roleblock. Reasonably safe to assume we're in the doc/boxer setup.

Unless mafia didn't send in night actions, ofc. After LC I can't discount that : p

liquid city

never forget
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October 24 2012 15:40 GMT
#882
On October 25 2012 00:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Another quick note on iamp
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Hapas case i think is one of the best i have ever seen and marvs refusal to give reads is just the confirmation in my eyes. Despite what he says he is just stalling for as much time as possible in hopes that something happens. I know bullshit when i see and and his request to wait for tomorrow is bullshit.


What? How is being @2am in the morning and being pissed not a good excuse to go sleep? This seems to me like a pathetic reason he needed to add to go with his vote.

marv loves to win he has told me on multiple occasions and you shouldnt believe everything some one says. Marv had plenty of time and instead he decided to shout at hapa and pretend to be mad. Go read hapas case the real reason that marv didnt give reads is he knows everything in that case is basically true.
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October 24 2012 15:48 GMT
#886
On October 25 2012 00:44 marvellosity wrote:
iamp, since when were you Hapa's lapdog? it's a bit pathetic.

just call them as i see them brah
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October 24 2012 17:33 GMT
#898
do you guys think dp slipped?
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October 24 2012 17:49 GMT
#902
On October 24 2012 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 22:12 iamperfection wrote:
alright so i have fresh mind and i just want to say something about marv that some of you guys might not understand. If there's one thing about marv that you might not know is that regardless of alignment he loves winning. Go look at rockband when palmar pissed him off he didn't whine like a baby he came back and tried to figure thing out after 1 hour. He is super dedicated to winning and his refusal to try to figure things out yesterday is very telling.

------------------------------------------

With that said i had something stuck out to me when i was re reading some filters

Darthpunk

On October 23 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:42 iamperfection wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I 100% do not want to lynch keir right now. So if that comes up as a thing. Ima shut it down as hard as I can.

why

Is there a reason you want to know? I don't feel like I particularly want or need to share my reasons. Especially at night.

well i said i thought he was scum so if you have reason he is not that would interest me.


I will talk about it during the day. If you still feel the same need to know.


after my second time reading this i just want to know how did you know you were going to live? because you in fact waited untill the day and not before the flip to post your thoughts. What gives.

Also what irony if i am in fact right.



You are right that I didn't fear being Killed. Mainly because most of the players in this game are far better than I so which scum in their right mind would kill me?

Furthermore. I was explaining why I would argue hard against a keirathi lynch. If I am dead it does not matter. Savvy?

Weak as shit case.



This line in particular did bother me because if he had a reason to believe what he was thinking there was no reason to keep it to himself as a town member. He didn't think of that because he is not thinking like a townie becasue he isnt one.

If you have information you think that helps town you give it. He knew he would be alive the next day and he fucked up.
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October 24 2012 22:31 GMT
#966
guys marv is probably in misery

just put him down.
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October 25 2012 00:05 GMT
#980
whatever happened to darthpunk he called me stupid and ran away.
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iamperfection
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October 25 2012 00:18 GMT
#982
On October 25 2012 09:15 austinmcc wrote:
Z-Bo and DP (as noted ^) haven't been active since marv posted, I'm holding off to give them a chance to speak their minds if there's anything crazy they want to say.

Otherwise, I'm willing to hammer.

off topic

but what do you do irl austin? You seem to have a distinct thinking style. Engineer maybe?
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October 25 2012 00:54 GMT
#999
On October 25 2012 09:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Got back and catching up. ONe thing stuck out to me about marv's defense. I'm not sure if this has been covered or not cause I haven;t caught up yet but I'll put it out there anyway.

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On October 25 2012 05:47 marvellosity wrote:
I think one of the only things I've seen on me with relation to this game was how 'sure' I seemed on vader. But from my original case on vader to when I hammered - there was a long time in between. Mainly because I wanted to get discussion going, give town more time to discuss things, give vader time to post and redeem himself.


Marv did not Hammer V7. Z-Boson did. But that got me thinking. Marv always fucking micromanages his scum buddies as scum. He HATES not being in control. So what if he told ZB to hammer and in his mind HE Hammered V7 because he is the one calling the shots. And this has slipped out.
Anyway. I thought it was weird. Gonna keep reading.


Why did you think you were going to live and why was your reaction to call me stupid.

You of all people should know calling me stupid is not the right response if your town.
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October 25 2012 01:45 GMT
#1028
On October 25 2012 10:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 09:15 austinmcc wrote:
Z-Bo and DP (as noted ^) haven't been active since marv posted, I'm holding off to give them a chance to speak their minds if there's anything crazy they want to say.

Otherwise, I'm willing to hammer.


I live in australia. I was asleep :/ but GJ

i knew this lame as excuse was familiar

On October 18 2012 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:
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On October 18 2012 06:23 iamperfection wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:19 risk.nuke wrote:
No, Please let it be me.

what you think of darth punk and zbos guys that have had a lot of activity and now all of sudden seem to have disappeared today.

Maybe like a rational human being he thinks I live in australia and only just woke up.


Guess the alignment

+ Show Spoiler +
he was scum


I dont think a town player should assume he is going to live and his remark here instantly reminded me of liquid city. Even if its true it has the same tone and feel as liquid city.

I think dp is the final scum.
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iamperfection
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October 25 2012 01:47 GMT
#1032
On October 25 2012 10:46 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
On October 25 2012 10:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 25 2012 09:15 austinmcc wrote:
Z-Bo and DP (as noted ^) haven't been active since marv posted, I'm holding off to give them a chance to speak their minds if there's anything crazy they want to say.

Otherwise, I'm willing to hammer.


I live in australia. I was asleep :/ but GJ

i knew this lame as excuse was familiar

On October 18 2012 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:23 iamperfection wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:19 risk.nuke wrote:
No, Please let it be me.

what you think of darth punk and zbos guys that have had a lot of activity and now all of sudden seem to have disappeared today.

Maybe like a rational human being he thinks I live in australia and only just woke up.


Guess the alignment

+ Show Spoiler +
he was scum


I dont think a town player should assume he is going to live and his remark here instantly reminded me of liquid city. Even if its true it has the same tone and feel as liquid city.

I think dp is the final scum.

##vote iamperfection

wat
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October 25 2012 02:33 GMT
#1052
On October 25 2012 11:31 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I'm pretty sure we should be lynching iamperfection tomorrow.

Look at how little marv was actually willing to say about him. Only when directly asked multiple times did he give a "kinda townie" read on him.

And then look at how iamperfection starts raging when I called him out for actually defending himself. Like I said, town iamperfection doesn't give a fuck what you think of him. He just rolls with the flow of the game and does whatever the fuck he pleases, and basically never apologizes. Also, his tone as slipped into his careful scum tone rather than his playful "who cares" townie tone that he had early on in day 1.

i disagree
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October 25 2012 02:50 GMT
#1054
On October 25 2012 11:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 11:33 iamperfection wrote:
On October 25 2012 11:31 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I'm pretty sure we should be lynching iamperfection tomorrow.

Look at how little marv was actually willing to say about him. Only when directly asked multiple times did he give a "kinda townie" read on him.

And then look at how iamperfection starts raging when I called him out for actually defending himself. Like I said, town iamperfection doesn't give a fuck what you think of him. He just rolls with the flow of the game and does whatever the fuck he pleases, and basically never apologizes. Also, his tone as slipped into his careful scum tone rather than his playful "who cares" townie tone that he had early on in day 1.

i disagree


Nice defense. It seems you really care if you get mislynched as town with the amount of effort you are putting into it. Oh wait.

meh they will mislynch me then lynch you.

gg no re.
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October 25 2012 03:01 GMT
#1059
On October 25 2012 11:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That was an easy day. Geez.

curse you.

you ruined everything

gg

i concede
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October 25 2012 03:02 GMT
#1060
On October 25 2012 12:01 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, funny iamperfection meta read:

He didn't post his victory music after the marv lynch.

I'm srs.

nah i dindt do it in liquid city also
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October 25 2012 03:38 GMT
#1070
shhh shh everyone be quiet so he dosen't notice
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Last Edited: 2012-10-25 03:49:50
October 25 2012 03:49 GMT
#1075
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October 25 2012 03:49 GMT
#1077
lol
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October 25 2012 14:32 GMT
#1133
On October 25 2012 23:31 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 23:27 austinmcc wrote:
On October 25 2012 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
It wasn't dumb, it was embellished. There's a massive difference.

What you said here was dumb. Really I think you should know me well enough that I will never, ever encourage scum partners to post LESS.

I get stuck thinking there are cases where someone posting less would be a good play.

There are definitely times when lurking is a valid strategy. Its hard to separate when its scum doing that from townies though, sadly.

gsl 2
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October 26 2012 14:27 GMT
#1218
On October 26 2012 15:29 debears wrote:

7) Iamp -

debears
10-23-2012
09:21 PM ET (US)
lol yeah. I'm still wanting to try the bus scum partners 1 and 2 and then solo to victory lol.

and look at the word choice by iamp. Uses know instead of no.......weird. breadcrumb to parity cop????

Was that an intentional breadcrumb?

9) I had a lot of trouble making town reads this game. Almost everyone was doing scummy things in my eyes. Guess that's not necessarily bad, but it isn't good. I got way confused at the end

Here was the last list I posted, scummy to townie

Draz (saw blue or mafia pretty equally likely)
marvellosity
austin
z-boson (hammer vote is either town or ballsy scum. And he did get in a shit flinging fest)
Keirathi
iamperfection (never really saw as scummy :/)
Hapahauli
DarthPunk




See you got the story i was trying to write.

but know that wasn't intentional
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