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austinmcc
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On October 25 2012 09:48 Hapahauli wrote: Good lord people need to not get sniped by Blazinghand =/ He's so on top of the vote counts this game, you can't help it. His VCPM is off the charts. | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 25 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone want to comment on marv outing ZB as his scum buddy? DarthPunk for tabloid headline writer of the year. Yes, you are correct. Marv didn't hammer v7. I don't think you can take things as far as you did though. | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 25 2012 10:15 Keirathi wrote: You're definitely not one of the weakest players in this game. But, you would probably be shot behind town marv and/or town Hapa. Maybe me, too, depending on if marv is scum or not (in general). But, I completely agree, the likelihood of you being alive today was higher than the likelihood of you being dead. At first I was like  On October 25 2012 10:22 Keirathi wrote: But then I was like Oh yea, austin too. Although arguably you would have been shot before me after my shitty day 1 performance   | ||
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On October 25 2012 10:23 Hapahauli wrote: Ugh so I have a fever and I need to take a break from the game tonight. This isn't too bad though - I'm far less certain about who scum #2 is and I want to see some other people post and contribute. I'll be fairly lurky tonight, but expect my thoughts near the deadline tomorrow. @ Z-Bo Wait how did you know I was boxer if you didn't catch my crumb? Seems kinda hard to read a powerless blue-role like that. @ DP To clarify - you know marv flipped scum right? Or are you still catching up? Also, I don't understand how you think marv outed Z-Bo there. Just because he misrepresented his own actions doesn't mean that he outed someone else. My first response is to stick with drazak. Still got town reads on a lot of players this game. Still think scummarv explains drazak's filter being so front-heavy, and proves an explanation for the whole "scumbuddy would stop this" argument. | ||
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On October 25 2012 10:26 Hapahauli wrote: Austin I'm curious - have you ever played a scum game? Aperture 2 is the only scum game I've played. Ruined my streak of townieness. | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 25 2012 10:22 austinmcc wrote: DarthPunk for tabloid headline writer of the year. Yes, you are correct. Marv didn't hammer v7. I don't think you The hammer into followup play of Z-BosoN gives me a sizeable town read on him. It's going to take a lot more than "marv made a mistake for this reason and not that reason" to get me on board with scumZ-BosoN. Where are you on drazak right now? | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 25 2012 10:31 Hapahauli wrote: Oh fuck you were scum in that game? Well shit that terrifies me. Will have to look into that. Once you read it, you won't be so terrified, lol. | ||
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austinmcc
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Now that you KNOW marv is scum, 100%, do you think he's the sort of person to strategize with that post? If he knows he's going down 100%, how does he structure his town/scum reads to best help his buddy? I cannot step around the thought that if he's scumbuddies with drazak then putting drazak as a scum read is the best play. scummarv gave a read on drazak, who feels mislynchable, therefore we don't trust that and we go lynch other players. You can argue that marv was choosing the player he thought most likely to get lynched instead of him, but it was late enough that momentum was swinging so hard against marv, there was no way things were going to swing to drazak based off marv's post. Since you're now stuck being the knower-of-things-marv in thread, with real-marv gone, do you have any thoughts on how he'd play out those reads and does my thought above make sense to you? | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 25 2012 10:45 Keirathi wrote: Austin: you 100% ignore everything marv said about Drazak and decide if he's lynchable for the things hes done on his own. WIFOM wars about shit like that isn't going to help anything. You can see my thoughts on drazak last night and also today. You can see me poking at him and trying to figure things out. Yes, that last post is WIFOM-heavy, but I'm not going to push a lynch based on "marv had drazak as scumread gogogogo." But it's something to consider. | ||
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On October 25 2012 10:49 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, on a serious note: Marv seems to have known he was going to be lynched, or at least come damn close to being lynched, for quite some time. I feel like one of the people on his vote is probably scum, bussing for that bit of town cred. iamp and drazak both jumped on with weak explanations, so they're who I'm particularly interested in right now. ZB as an outside shot 3rd option. All 3 of those options were on the v7 lynch as well, along with marv. | ||
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On October 25 2012 10:52 austinmcc wrote: All 3 of those options were on the v7 lynch as well, along with marv. That looks like I'm vaguely egging someone on. I still don't think Z-BosoN is scum. But I do like the thought process here (Especially because it turns up drazak as an option). | ||
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austinmcc
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GG all, really enjoyed this one and it was a nice change of pace from Open 2. More activity, generally a better environment, and I think we all did a decent job keeping things moving for the length of D1, which made it much easier to differentiate scum/town players. Thanks for the protection drazak , he says, despite still having drazak as a scumread on D2/N2. I wasn't entirely sure whether DP was outing a medic during that one exchange or whether you were just being weird, nice to know it was the first. Also, DP Y U OUT MEDIC? During that whole exchange I kept reading you push harder and harder and kept hoping you'd realize what was happening and stop. And despite all that I still decided I'd push drazak because, if nothing else, he could claim later.Really nice case hapa. I spent the whole day going "Well, it looks nice, and marv's comments on v7 look awful + that dumbest thing ever comment looks so phony, but...I really don't want to vote based on meta." I know it's a thing to work on, but I'm trying to address some other, more pressing, issues with my play first. Also, Z-BosoN not scum! And I actually defended you this game! Big thanks to BH for both hosting this, giving us a vote count every time anything happened, and I think putting together a solid roster for the game. | ||
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On October 25 2012 23:19 marvellosity wrote: austin, it WAS the dumbest thing ever. THAT wasn't alignment indicative. We just came out of a game where I wrote a 4 act play accusing annul, who you knew to be town, of being a wank-fiend. | ||
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I realized, looking back, that I didn't argue hard enough for v7 being town because I was trying to slowly ask drazak questions and build that read without outright accusing him hard, but...I have no idea why scum would return from a long absence with reads on 2 players and then continue to promise more later. That's just asking to get lynched by the players who want to see you contribute and want to lynch you based on not doing a whole lot. Why would scum pull a suicidal stunt like that, instead of coming back with something nicely engineered or a case on another player? I know he pulled in a couple votes after that, but I couldn't believe you'd actually find his return scummy. | ||
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On October 25 2012 23:24 marvellosity wrote: It wasn't dumb, it was embellished. There's a massive difference. What you said here was dumb. Really I think you should know me well enough that I will never, ever encourage scum partners to post LESS. I get stuck thinking there are cases where someone posting less would be a good play. | ||
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On October 25 2012 23:26 marvellosity wrote: Why not? He comes back with irrelevant reads that did nothing to help the thread. Promising more shit later is easy to do. In general I think players get too hung up on what scum would/wouldn't do. Scum players play suboptimally all the time, just as much as town players do. It wasn't suboptimal. It was suicidal. v7 isn't participating/isn't giving reads, let's lynch him. v7 returns to thread, gives out a few reads and promises participation later. Way higher chance that he's actually crazy busy and trying to contribute what he can than just...doing exactly what people are finding him scummy for. | ||
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On October 25 2012 23:30 marvellosity wrote: sorry, I edited my post a few above and you probably didn't see. About Clothes Mafia. We lynched him on Day 2 off one post. Gotcha gotcha. I think those are entirely different, and I dunno that I should keep clogging up postgame with this, lol. VE made an "obvious" mistake, that highlighted the change in posting style with the @ and the italics. v7 was called scummy for behaving a certain way, came back after a long absence and behaved in much the same way. Not that it was obvious or too scummy, but just that scum under suspicion for x doesn't come back after a long absence and keep doing x, at least in the vast majority of cases. | ||
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