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On October 22 2012 01:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Sniped by austin. There we are, finally. Now waiting for the two days of unforgiving tunneling from him  Hello Keirathi! How goes your scum life? Any thoughts you would like to trouble us with?
Oh shit. I just got the joke. Cause austin tunnells you all the time. hmm. That's weird. Austin is acting way different from the past two town games of his that I was in. I need to look over them again.
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On October 22 2012 01:10 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, about v7:
I'm not entirely sold yet. He did the exact same thing as town in GSL 1. "Hey guys, I'll post my reads later when I get home" and then disappeared until 10 minutes before the deadline and claimed doc at the last second :o
It's a stupid thing to do, but particularly for him, I don't think that necessarily makes him scummy.
Until he comes and posts something more substantial, he's a null'ish read, for me.
So who is scummy? Everyone loves giving town reads this game it seems.
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On October 22 2012 11:38 vaderseven wrote:
I have time I said I would make it work. Day 1 reads are pretty far fetched pre first flip and I DO say that with alot of exp.
You are wrong. I know this from 5 games. I can't believe you would come to that conclusion after 50.
Sup guys I am back.
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On October 22 2012 12:28 drazak wrote:
ok, from recent times I saw giving a better explaination of my read on vader and my scummiest atm.
V7 disappeared for forever, with no activity, explains it away with work, but if he was going to have work issues like this, why did he accept the invite? At first I voted for him just to get him to talk, tbh there was a vote count between when I started writing the post and when I posted it, I thought there were 2 votes on him, not 3, or I probably wouldn't have voted. When he finally came back, he started claiming that you can't make reads D1? What? 50 games of mafia and you can't make or force reads on D1? Not sure I grok here. Want to see what he says when he wakes up but he's not going to be around for awhile.
I feel like keir is probably a little scummy, he over-reacted a bit when accused, which is ok, but then he says I'm being scummy, and then his next post... defends me? Not sure I understood that, while contradicting yourself is scummy, I'm not sure why you'd do it. You're agressively defensive and then cover all of your over reactions by saying you'll flip out over it, what? You should be home by now, not sure why you think threatening to flip out helps defend your over-reactions, not sure why you'd say that.
Where has this been said? How do you know this when it has not been mentioned in the thread at all?
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On October 22 2012 12:44 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 12:28 drazak wrote:
ok, from recent times I saw giving a better explaination of my read on vader and my scummiest atm.
V7 disappeared for forever, with no activity, explains it away with work, but if he was going to have work issues like this, why did he accept the invite? At first I voted for him just to get him to talk, tbh there was a vote count between when I started writing the post and when I posted it, I thought there were 2 votes on him, not 3, or I probably wouldn't have voted. When he finally came back, he started claiming that you can't make reads D1? What? 50 games of mafia and you can't make or force reads on D1? Not sure I grok here. Want to see what he says when he wakes up but he's not going to be around for awhile.
I feel like keir is probably a little scummy, he over-reacted a bit when accused, which is ok, but then he says I'm being scummy, and then his next post... defends me? Not sure I understood that, while contradicting yourself is scummy, I'm not sure why you'd do it. You're agressively defensive and then cover all of your over reactions by saying you'll flip out over it, what? You should be home by now, not sure why you think threatening to flip out helps defend your over-reactions, not sure why you'd say that.
First: no, I'm not home yet. Probably. Another hour or so. Second: where did I attack you, then defend you in my next post? You have it backwards: I defended you first, then started attacking you based on your explanations to what the other people were accusing you of. Also, does aggressively defending myself make me scum? If so, why? Why not just a frustrated townie? Explain your thought process, please.
It is fucking weird Keir.
Last game when pressured as town
On October 04 2012 14:45 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Keirathi
Super scummy. He came out of the gates really aggressively towards several people. He makes a lot of noise commenting on their anti-town play.
Not several people. Just kush. Because I thought kush was town based on his demeanor, but his voting and play was distinctly anti-town. I spent a lot of time trying to make him see that. But I should have just shut up and let him play stupidly? Okay. Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:
I would quote more but they are in his filter and there is alot of this. He is not actually contributing. Just criticising the play of others. Not scum hunting just telling people that they are bad/anti-town.
Nothing I can really say about that. It's pretty true. After questioning KJ, I felt comfortable in my scum read of him. So I spent the rest of my time questioning other people and berating kush. Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:He leaves his vote on KJ despite huge voting activity at deadline and It becomes meaningless. In spite of saying this earlier On October 01 2012 12:27 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: For that matter, why do you need to leave your vote parked on someone anyways?
Your vote is your means of pressuring someone and getting a response. If your vote is meaningless all game, no one is going to care about it and feel the need to justify themselves to you. You're basically giving up your only power as a townie for some contrived need of having your vote out. After the lack of scum hunting and his meaningless vote on KJ. What you probably didn't pick up on just by reading my filter (or maybe intentionally misrepresenting?), is the timing of my posts. Go back and look at my last post on day 1. It was 9 hours before the deadline (and 32 hours before my next post). That's because I took an unplanned trip out of town and didn't have internet. My vote might have been meaningless at the end of the day, but when I left it wasn't (KJ had the majority). There was literally nothing I could have done because I didn't have internet access to keep up with the game. Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Couple of things stand out about this vote on marv.
He actually bothers to explain his vote. Even though it is blatantly clear why people would vote for him. He feels the need to explain it anyway.
He expresses displeasure in not being faster to vote for marv. You know who cares about in which order they vote for someone. Scum. That's who.
ToutEstChaos justified his vote too. Why is the fact that I did it scummier than the fact that he did it? Also, the "Damnit, I'm slow" comment was because, when I first read the daypost, no one had commented on the reason Risen had died, nor voted marv yet. So I quoted Risen's death, then started trying to find the post where Risen had said to kill marv when he died. By the time I had finished, Tout had already beat me to the explanation. Basically you're saying that it would have been townier for me to first vote marv, 10 minutes after the day post, with 0 explanation. I don't buy that. It would be like the people who took flak for hopping on Matt without explanation in LVII after his Nosy Neighbor claim. Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:
I have played with Keir before when he was town. This is not how he started at all. Not even close.
FoS: Keirathi This is reasonable, but a question: have you read my scum game (GSL Open Mini Mafia 1) for reference? I mean, sure I'm aware that I played a reasonably "good" scum game in that, so if I wanted to play differently I could. But would I really go for the extreme opposite end of the spectrum? From "good" scum, to terrible and easily caught? Anyways, I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to lynch me tomorrow. I lost some of my interest after having to catch up with 24+ hours of two different games.
On October 05 2012 00:13 Keirathi wrote:
The point in making them is for you to do a little research yourself. Seriously. Go look through my scum game. If you still think my mentality is the same, then I deserve the vote, and I'll do whatever I can before I die to clear up my thoughts.
On October 06 2012 03:05 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 01:58 DarthPunk wrote:So after My case Keirathi presented a token defense and has since disappeared. His last post was this. On October 05 2012 00:13 Keirathi wrote:
The point in making them is for you to do a little research yourself. Seriously. Go look through my scum game. If you still think my mentality is the same, then I deserve the vote, and I'll do whatever I can before I die to clear up my thoughts. But I don't see him doing whatever he can right now. And I don't feel his previous scum game somehow clears his play this game. Keirathi 100% does not play like this as town. There's literally no way to refute that. You're 100% right, I've been unmotivated to put much effort into this game since 1) I missed ~30 hours of the day, and 2) we had a confirmed scum. Hell, I would probably vote for me tomorrow in your shoes. And that's not "martyring", its just the truth that I've done nothing to prove my towniness. But, I wasn't lying. I will scour the game and give my thoughts sometime soon. Hopefully before the day post, since I don't have any plans when I get off work this afternoon.
Calm, non aggressive, Rational. Town Keir reacting to a case against him. He would appeals to reason rather than emotion. Perhaps this is because he knows he is town and feels that if reason is applied to the case on him it will come undone? Who knows? The point is his reaction to pressure in his previous game as town compared to this one is stark in its differences.
On October 21 2012 01:47 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 01:34 Z-BosoN wrote:Well I got sniped. Anyways, On October 21 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On October 21 2012 00:46 Hapahauli wrote:
Yah I'm a bit surprised at how little Kei has contributed so far. Early D1 caveats of course, but I always had the impression that his town play was very active on the early days.
It was friday night. I went out. I wasn't expecting the game to start yesterday, and I wasn't going to change my plans anyways. Also, that's such a blanket statement (and not even necessarily a true one...I've not been super active early in like half of my games), that has absolutely nothing to do with my alignment. I was "very active" in the early game as scum too. So what was the point of even saying that? On October 20 2012 23:58 Z-BosoN wrote:
Right now I'm more interested in Keirathi. Made this one easy-to-make post, and didn't really stick around, made no other comments. This seems to me like too easy of a post for someone like Keir to make, and doesn't seem genuine.
What the fuck does that even mean? "Someone like Keir"? And also, explain how that post isn't genuine, please. Darth's post, pre-explanation, made absolutely zero sense, and I disagreed with him asking it. Post-explanation, it was still dumb and never going to accomplish what he said his "goal" was, but at least I understand his reasoning now. Anyways, its gameday. I'll be around off and on today, but not sitting at the computer all day. Why the overreaction? I found your post to be an useless agreement that didn't add anything, and your lack of follow-up even more suspicious. The underlined is why I didn't find it to be genuine, given that there were a string of posts after your own which dealt with it. I fully agree that it was dumb, but you left no opinion of it. That's just saying something and drawing no conclusions from it, and even worse, not looking like you want to draw any conclusions. I can be wrong here, but your post to me didn't feel genuine and I think that makes you suspicious. What? I made it perfectly clear what my opinion on it was. It was a bullshit post, and I called it that, and wanted him to explain. I was not, and am not, going to make any decisions about his alignment based on that. He at least provided a plausible explanation, even if it does feel a little "made up after-the-fact" because someone called him out on it. I don't think it makes him scummy, nor do I think it makes him town. What, exactly, is the point of saying "Yea, he's still neutral"?
On October 22 2012 06:28 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 05:13 austinmcc wrote:Keirathi then pops in to comment on v7's post: On October 20 2012 12:19 Keirathi wrote:
I completely agree with vader here.
I mean, DP, what if Draz is a blue. What do you expect him to say? Of course he's not going to claim a blue role (I hope), a few hours into day 1. So, he claims Progamer. Then he gets close to lynch, and says "Okay, I'm actually Nestea. Don't lynch me!". What are you going to do, lynch him because he lied and said he was progamer 3 hours into the game?
I call bullshit. You know that everyone is going to claim progamer just the same as everyone is going to claim green.
There were many acceptable replies iamp's accusation. Yours was not one of them. He's much more forceful in what he's saying. "I call bullshit" "There were many acceptable replies...yours was not one of them." Actually keirathi's response is also interesting to me. iamperfection votes DP, for reasons keirathi seems to agree with. Keirathi calls DP's response bullshit and unacceptable, and...that's it. There's no vote, no FOS, no further comment. "You have given a bullshit/unacceptable response to a vote...carry on." Kind of odd to me. Kei doesn't comment any further. Doesn't follow-up on this. I guess I can respond to this since I'm around for a bit before I have to go sit with my grandpa again. I'm not going to vote for something that I'm not pretty convinced of. His answer to the questioning going on in thread was way more important than what he actually said that I called bullshit on. Also, FOS is a stupid term that I have never nor will ever use. Calling a post bullshit and making a pressure "case" is as close as you'll ever get to seeing an FOS from me. And, about not following up: it was friday night. I went out for the night. Fucking sue me. (And yes, marv, I am being aggressively defensive. If people really want to lynch me for that then I'm going to flip the fuck out.)
Threatening, abrasive emotional. This game it seems as if keir would rather people apply emotion rather than reason to the much more minor case against him. Perhaps he has some inherent guilt that would cause him to shy away from the revealing light of analytical reasoning.
Whatever there is a stark difference in the manner in which keir has handled the pressure against him this game in comparison to his previous game as town. And it is weird.
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On October 22 2012 13:16 drazak wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 10:48 Hapahauli wrote:
No no I think we're not understanding each other. Take some time to read the thread, come back tomorrow, and give us better-informed reads. What you're giving us right now is absolutely useless, both for determining your alignment and helping town at all. Darth ^
OK. Thanks.
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On October 22 2012 20:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 13:40 Keirathi wrote:
@DP:
The difference is that you had a well presented, logical, solid case. It was strong enough that it probably could have gotten me lynched, but it would have been over something worth being lynched for. The cases against me this game mostly boil down to "I expect better" or "he could be fucking with his meta", which is lazy scumhunting and a terrible reason to lynch me. Which is why I've spent so much time questioning the people who keep limping in to the case against me. This might be one of the most infuriating things I've ever read in mafia. Douchebag who does ZERO scumhunting calls others lazy scumhunters. Fuck you.
Rofl.
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On October 22 2012 21:10 marvellosity wrote: screw you too, DP. Mainly because I wanted to carry on being angry but you made me smile instead ^^
<3
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Keir. There is enough information in the thread to scum hunt with. Heck an entire game was just completed which was the same length as our day one. I don't buy you not having enough info to make reads with. In LC you made a read with far less information than you currently possess on King James as town. The more you have tried to explain around the fact you actually aren't contributing anything the scummier you look. I have gone from not wanting to lynch you to not being adverse to it.
There are a couple of things which cause me to want you around for a bit longer. But the reason for that has absolutely nothing to do with your play I can assure you.
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WEll I for one have tried pushing a lynch on drazak. But noone agreed with me QQ.
As far as I am concerned all we are waiting on is V7 to come and make his promised post. If he doesn't. Or it is unsatisfactory we lynch him. I don't feel like anyone aside from draz and V7 are partciularly inactive or lazy.
Draz is still by far my biggest scum read and t has only strengthened. He was called out for inactivity be several of us if I recall correctly. And the post he made was simply a summary of the thread with no real input of his own. Not really scum hunting. Sheeping. etc.
Very passive. Without taking a stance. Whcih is odd coming from someone who parked a 'pressure' vote on someone for over 24 hours.
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On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now.
And now I don't want to lynch him at all.
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On October 23 2012 00:57 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now. And now I don't want to lynch him at all. The him here is in reference to v7?
Yep.
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On October 23 2012 01:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now. And now I don't want to lynch him at all. um what are you saying here?
That ZB just doesn't say things like that as town. That is the kind of thing I say as scum.
I already had a bad feeling about ZB because there are a couple of town tells of his that he hasn't conformed to this game. I have played in his last 4 games. And this just doesn't fit with how he deals with 'liabilities' Be it grush or BM or Kush or Shady. I have never EVER seen this argument from him in regards to far worse players in far worse situations.
Town ZB requires MUCH more than that to lynch someone and usually doesn't like lynching 'liabilities' or Lurkers at all. He is MUCH more likely to make an alternative case of his own than to go along with the prevailing sentiment.
Also his play this game has been eerily similar to his scum meta from XXIV. He even admits it. And blames it on activity. But he has still been fairly active. So that is no reason for ZB to be playing to his scum meta.
That is why I don't want to lynch V7 anymore.
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On October 23 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 23 2012 00:57 austinmcc wrote:On October 23 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:On October 23 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
I'm onboard with austin, especially after v7's response. He did a very poor job at making a contribution. Said he would read thread and reply and so far has done naught.
He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now. And now I don't want to lynch him at all. The him here is in reference to v7? Yep. so you don't want to lynch him because zbos wants to lynch him?
Give me a minute. God.
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Just looking over ZB's filter he has barely pushed v7 at all. The cases of his on both hapa and Keir are much stronger IMO and have a lot more time invested. Townie ZB tries to canvass support hardcore when he pushes like that. But this game he hasn't really bothered.
I would fully expect ZB to be pushing Keir right now. As most of his interaction has been towards him. I would not expect him to just lynch a 'liability' like that. Especially when he has his own cases that he usually tries to canvass support for. It's like he doesn;t care about the lynch as much as usual.
For reference. In XXVIII when I caught Kush with a super obvious scum slip ZB STILL did not want to lynch him until after kush was being bussed and went full troll mode on the thread.
I went over his scum filter from XXIV briefly.That is like the only game of his in which he pushed lurkers happily over those he had made cases/reads on.
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he built A bunch of cases in his scum game also. Filter ZB XIV The thing was though he didn't follow through on them. Unlike when he is town and unlike this game. In his scum game he ended up voting for the lurker in spite of far more solid cases on others. Bear in mind this was his first game. But there are some parallels albeit obscured ones.
I have never seen ZB sheep a wagon like this as town.
##Vote: Z - Boson
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Vote Count!
vaderseven (3) - austinmcc, iamperfection, drazak
Z-Boson (2) Keirathi, DarthPunk,
Not Voting (4) - Marvellosity, vaderseven, Z-Boson, Hapahauli
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Day ends when a majority is reached.[/QUOTE]
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Shameless copypasta so we don't lynch someone accidentally. I edited in the current tallies.
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On October 23 2012 02:42 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:36 DarthPunk wrote:he built A bunch of cases in his scum game also. Filter ZB XIV The thing was though he didn't follow through on them. Unlike when he is town and unlike this game. In his scum game he ended up voting for the lurker in spite of far more solid cases on others. Bear in mind this was his first game. But there are some parallels albeit obscured ones. I have never seen ZB sheep a wagon like this as town. ##Vote: Z - Boson ^ Good point on the meta Though I still would like to wait for his defense.
Well I am going to bed. So I won't be around to hear it.
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