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On October 21 2012 23:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:36 DarthPunk wrote:On October 21 2012 23:30 marvellosity wrote:
Your vote on drazak is predicated on something I don't think is lynchable for though, DP.
austin explained it well enough earlier. Really? I think voting for someone you think is town is a lynchable offense, The only reason that he is not getting lynched is that he is new and people are giving him the benefit of the doubt IMO. I think Drazak is scum. I am not sure Keir is. Right, but kush has done similar things as town, and drazak is just as 'new'. The point austin made was that why would scum, in the space of one post, say that he doesn't think someone is mafia and then vote for them (or affirm it, I forget which). Like, if you're going to avoid ONE thing as scum, it's shit like that.
So it is too scummy to be scummy?I look at it this way. Would a townie be more likely to park a vote on someone he thinks he is town for 24 hours? Or would scum?
Townie cares if there is a mislynch. Scum do not. At a basic level drazaks posting fits very well with the natural instincts fo scum.
Arguments like Too scummy to be scummy. Too obvious etc. don't convince me all that much because a scum motive fits drazaks posting this game far better than a town motive.
Like I don't see how a rational townie would have posted like that. But I can see a scum posting that stuff VERY easily.
Also this is not the same as Kush because he is Blatantly townie even when he slips all the time as town. Drazak idoes not look clearly town despite his 'slips'. He is scummy as shit AND he 'slipped'.
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I apologise if my posting is bad/unclear I am pulling an all nighter to get my assignment in on time. And I am super tired.
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On October 21 2012 23:56 Z-BosoN wrote:@DarthPunkThe bit I'm referring you is last game you using the "omg you are scum trying to pull a mislynch" argument you were using as a defense Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:33 DarthPunk wrote:
Everyone is acting weird this game tho. Marv afk for two days. Hapa not really scumhunting and making mainly town reads that I am not sure are entirely rational based on the information available.
Austin attacking logic rather than motive than finding everyone who did the same suspicious
ZB looking alot closer to his scum meta thatn his town meta.
Not enough yet for a real push on any of them. But this is a strange game. Yea, if it's because of activity, then refer to my first post. I was doing the same thing you were and taking a break, but I couldn't refuse a damn invite, so right now I'm trying to balance this out with RL. I'm pretty fucking townie though, so :/ Also, you still think drazak is scum despite what some people have said? Main reason you find him scum is: "he thinks I'm town and yet still voted for me, correct?"
Yeah. I was going to take a break too but Invite OP.
It is like a less refined version of what I did to you last game. (god that was fun BTW)
there is no main thing about draz there are a multitude of things that I find scummy. Which I have mentioned several times, I don't like to excuse him because it is 'too scummy' and he is new. Things are scummy because they are the natural inclinations of people with a scum mindset.
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On October 22 2012 00:00 marvellosity wrote:DP, you realise drazak has a current TL Mafia record of being mislynched Day 1 twice out of 2? As a townie he clearly does not do a sterling job of being townie. Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:51 DarthPunk wrote:
Like I don't see how a rational townie would have posted like that. But I can see a scum posting that stuff VERY easily.
How does a rational scum post that he wants to kill someone who isn't mafia either? Sense makes not it does not sense make. If you want me to vote drazak, you're going to have to show me how what he's doing is speficically scummy and not just bad town. That voting thing is not it.
How does a rational townie post that? He doesn't. But it is a product of a scummy mindset.
How about this.
He fllip flopped on the actual reason for his vote depending on the climate of the thread. (clearly cared more about how his vote could be rationalised later than having a clear and consistent reason for making the vote in the first place)
He expressed nervousness about voting for a scum read. (scum would be nervous, town are out for blood. If they are scum you want to lynch them)
He stated that he wanted to stimulate discussion by pressuring me. Yet I was the most active at that stage and he has contributed very little.
He has not contributed a scum read or scum hunted. Despite stating he was considering who to 'pressure' next.
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On October 22 2012 00:05 marvellosity wrote:
DP, is it your natural inclination, as scum, to say "let's lynch a townie!"? Or is your natural inclination to avoid saying anything like that at all costs?
It is my natural inclination to want to lynch a townie because this ensures your survival for another day. VE knows this. That's why he looks at people who jump on a wagon like Draz did very closely. I even fell for it last game.
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On October 22 2012 00:08 marvellosity wrote:Anyway, this whole conversation is boring  Just read through his filter and it seemed honest and sincere. I'm still leaning on the town side for him.
I have read it. It seemed the opposite to me. Weird.
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ZB! as marv is bored, What do you think?
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On October 22 2012 00:17 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:13 DarthPunk wrote:On October 22 2012 00:05 marvellosity wrote:
DP, is it your natural inclination, as scum, to say "let's lynch a townie!"? Or is your natural inclination to avoid saying anything like that at all costs? It is my natural inclination to want to lynch a townie because this ensures your survival for another day. VE knows this. That's why he looks at people who jump on a wagon like Draz did very closely. I even fell for it last game. It's your natural inclination to want to lynch a townie. Yes. It is NOT normal for you to say "Let's lynch a townie." There's a huge difference. You say, "This guy (and I don't want to tell you this, but he's totes town) looks scummy for x and y, I think we should vote him." You do not go, "Attention town, I think this guy is townie, let's lynch him." The vote on someone you explicitly say doesn't feel scummy is NOT good townie play. But it's NOT good scum play. Again, look at it from both sides. It's not that the vote makes no sense from a townie, it's that the vote makes no sense from either alignment. Therefore, you can't get a read off it; it's null.
LOL. do you think he meant to contradict say that in that post? I don;t think anyone in their right mind would mean to say that as either alignment. This is why I feel it speaks volumes of his mindset and that when you look at his mindset in light of that post it is only rational as scum.
It makes no sense if you were Aware you were saying it as scum or town. But it makes perfect sense if it just came out subconsciously as scum.
And don;t try and tell me that scum never leave subconscious tells like that. Especially newer scum.
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god I can;t write anything without flagrant errors. Hmm better proof read this assignment in the morning.
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So marv has a scumread on town austin every game.? Now he doesn't? Austin must be scum. .GGYO.
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On October 22 2012 00:33 Z-BosoN wrote:
@DP
I have to go with marv here. This is something he is usually very strong on, from my talks with him - and he's generally right. He will also make this assessment as both town and scum, so it's pretty sure he means it (unless for some 0.005% ungodly reason they are both scum and marv told him to say something like that or w/e).
Scum are 10x more careful about what they say, even if they are new. Remember XXVIII? Almost everyone had some sort of flip-flop looking scummy relation with kush, except for the actual scum.
Anyways, I'm null leaning townie on drazak, and I don't think we should be voting for him, at least right now.
If I am right I am going to obnoxiously ungraceful about it. ^_^
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OK so Draz is obviously not going to happen.
##Unvote
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I will give Vaderseven 12 hours to actually contribute something or I am voting for him.
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On October 22 2012 00:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
From playing every single fucking him he's on, DP's meta seems to be pretty much like his townie one.
Or he has learned the fine art of faking his town day1 meta. Let us wait and see.
Right now I do not want to lynch either DP or Drazak. Hapa and marv will evidently have to wait (though I'm a bit weary of you both). Can't make scum reads out of iamp, austin. So, in my POV, that leaves Keir and v7 to be lynched.
v7 is certainly looking like the more juicier target. I'm not sure I want to kill him just yet before he's had a chance to defend himself. What do you guys propose?
You still haven't asked the one thing you ask every game as town. It worries me. 
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On October 22 2012 00:41 marvellosity wrote:
Z-Bo, I love that you're wary of me and then you conclude your post with the two reads I had. Woe is me ^_^
If your alive day 2 we'll all be more than wary. Or scum could have been retarded and not shot you. But yeah. Better lynch you then anyway just to be safe. ROFL..
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Also ZB. Postgame I would like to go through how you make such accurate reads on me all the time. It get's frustrating as scum. (and also hilarious)
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On October 22 2012 00:57 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 00:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Also ZB. Postgame I would like to go through how you make such accurate reads on me all the time. It get's frustrating as scum. (and also hilarious) It's mainly because Z-BosoN is ALWAYS scum and so he knows alignments.
I know there must be things I need to change or play around. It bugs me.
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Austin any reads aside from a not scum Draz?
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On October 22 2012 01:03 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 01:00 DarthPunk wrote:On October 22 2012 00:57 austinmcc wrote:On October 22 2012 00:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Also ZB. Postgame I would like to go through how you make such accurate reads on me all the time. It get's frustrating as scum. (and also hilarious) It's mainly because Z-BosoN is ALWAYS scum and so he knows alignments. I know there must be things I need to change or play around. It bugs me. As scum you push bullshit cases
I post bullshit cases as either alignment.
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On October 22 2012 01:07 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 01:05 DarthPunk wrote:On October 22 2012 01:03 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 01:00 DarthPunk wrote:On October 22 2012 00:57 austinmcc wrote:On October 22 2012 00:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Also ZB. Postgame I would like to go through how you make such accurate reads on me all the time. It get's frustrating as scum. (and also hilarious) It's mainly because Z-BosoN is ALWAYS scum and so he knows alignments. I know there must be things I need to change or play around. It bugs me. As scum you push bullshit cases I post bullshit cases as either alignment. I said "push" not post. Like, your case against me in Liquid City was much stronger than your case against kush, but you pushed Kush super hard.
ok 3am and now I am mis-reading lol. Huh. Thanks for the tip.
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