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On October 22 2012 02:12 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 01:10 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, about v7:
I'm not entirely sold yet. He did the exact same thing as town in GSL 1. "Hey guys, I'll post my reads later when I get home" and then disappeared until 10 minutes before the deadline and claimed doc at the last second :o
It's a stupid thing to do, but particularly for him, I don't think that necessarily makes him scummy.
Until he comes and posts something more substantial, he's a null'ish read, for me. bullshit he is scum for what he has done in this game. his posts are basically all talking about himself and he barely commented on anything else Also dont you think he would learn from his failure from last game and wouldn't do what he did. V7 is scum for his actions in this game. and....... this is a phone post if i ever saw one Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 10:10 vaderseven wrote:
I will post more tonight after work. Posting from atm and I read everything since I last posted.... not much going on go?nna have to examine things close tonight. Meaning he has the ability to check the thread. The least he could do is check in.He hasn't. i have a big scum read on him.
did anyone not see my post here or are people ignoring me as usual. I thought i was on to something here and i want Keirathi to explain why he thinks im wrong. Is it just because vaderseven acted like this in gsl 1 because i find to be a very weak argument.
Same goes for you hapa since you had a vote on him and took it off why is my reasoning wrong here.
Please explain.
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I do find him scummy, but there still could be a reason why he's not posting. In fact, from GSL I we know he's capable of similar actions as town.
This is why I support the "12-hour" hammer thing someone mentioned earlier. I'm not sure what hour we're on, but I still support a hammer depending on a couple of Z-Boson's responses.
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and now its time for the second half have some exciting stuff when i get back.
+ Show Spoiler +If the patriots lose to the jets and i don't come back just assume im dead or in a ditch somewhere with crippling depression
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Man, are you really gonna dive into the semantics?
1) Ok, you want me to say it was a Good fake case? ffs
2) To be frank, I didn't bother checking the exact time frame.
Your uber-confidence was an assumption I made based on this:
What's there to answer? You haven't asked me anything about the v7 vote that I didn't answer already. You still also have not addressed why you don't think my rationale is insufficient.
You are confident on your vote, not confident on him being scum.
To be clear, try this:
So, based on your weird-ass interpretation of the word "unjust", you unvote someone you had a scum-read on, a vote which came before he went afk for an additional 12 hours or more.
Also, you are still not being concise about my "Hypocrisy". Again. you took a small portion of my case and used it to deem it weak, fake, forced, bad, whatever. That's a bunch of crap if you are really trying to find scumminess in my filter. Unjust too whiny a word? Try ridiculous.
This is LVII all over again. I'm done with you. Unless you actually really really find me scum (in which case, please, carry on), then this is pointless. I find you suspicious, I don't understand some of your actions, I found your initial meta off (now it's pretty much dead on) but that's about it, I'm not lynching you over v7/Keir and I will need more time to think if your actions make more sense from townie you or scummy you.
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Okeydoke that's townie enough. Certainly can't lynch you over v7 at this point.
Though I do want to clear this up:
You are confident on your vote, not confident on him being scum.
I have never heard of a confident vote being used as a scumtell. Maybe scum confidence, but not the other way around.
Also, you are still not being concise about my "Hypocrisy". Again. you took a small portion of my case and used it to deem it weak, fake, forced, bad, whatever. That's a bunch of crap if you are really trying to find scumminess in my filter. Unjust too whiny a word? Try ridiculous.
I think I made it clear, but w/e. Looks like you're done with it and I am too.
Now back to the subject of vaderseven - do we want to set a time to hammer him? His inactivity is fairly absurd at this point, and I believe we should set a deadline. I mentioned 12 hours earlier, however, we're getting good discussion now and I don't want to rush things. Perhaps at this time tomorrow, in exactly 24 hours (7:00 KST according to TL.net), hammertime if he doesn't post?
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I am in favor of anyone who finds v7 voting v7. I am in favor of anyone who doesn't find v7 scummy either voting or not voting v7, but if they vote, doing it because they're purely sheeping.
I do not see why there should be a clock on v7, except for the activity/modkill clock. If you find him scummy, you should be voting him. If you don't, then how is he magically scummy because x number of hours has passed. Judge for yourself whether his conduct and his absence is scummy or not, but a couple more hours of absence shouldn't lead to a different read imo.
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On October 22 2012 07:23 Hapahauli wrote:Okeydoke that's townie enough. Certainly can't lynch you over v7 at this point. Though I do want to clear this up: I have never heard of a confident vote being used as a scumtell. Maybe scum confidence, but not the other way around. Show nested quote +Also, you are still not being concise about my "Hypocrisy". Again. you took a small portion of my case and used it to deem it weak, fake, forced, bad, whatever. That's a bunch of crap if you are really trying to find scumminess in my filter. Unjust too whiny a word? Try ridiculous. I think I made it clear, but w/e. Looks like you're done with it and I am too.
Now back to the subject of vaderseven - do we want to set a time to hammer him? His inactivity is fairly absurd at this point, and I believe we should set a deadline. I mentioned 12 hours earlier, however, we're getting good discussion now and I don't want to rush things. Perhaps at this time tomorrow, in exactly 24 hours (7:00 KST according to TL.net), hammertime if he doesn't post?
I didn't use your confidence on a vote as a scum tell. I said that you unvoted that over something I deem to be [u]nothing. I also said it was weird. If it's a scumtell, I still have to think about it.
In my view, the more time, the more chances town actually have. Unless discussion completely stagnates, we should wait as long as possible (even though what we really want is to see v7's godamn alignment ASAP)
Let's lynch him tomorrow at 7 KST then, if he doesn't make himself useful in any manner. Or at least until there's no one talking about anything.
Couple of observations during our little engagement.
1) Drazak is 100% awol
2) Iamperfection even posted a (now THAT is whiny) "why is everyone ignoring me" post in the middle of all this.
3) marv was pretty quick to take a stance in me vs. you.
1) makes me redact some of my townie thoughts on him. He better have some damn good reason for not posting. Seems like he only bothered to post to defend himself.
2) gives me a slight town tell on iamp
3) is weird. There were a lot of arguments floating around, and it didn't seem like he went too deep in them.
Thoughts?
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austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi.
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On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi.
Do you actually think I'm scum? You've been wavering back and forth all day without really taking a hard stance on me.
Feels like you're trying to set yourself up to not look bad for my mislynch, tbh.
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On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi.
Tbh, I can't see scum Kei playing this carelessly. I hate to use this read again, but it seems accurate in the games I've played so far - he has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude towards suspicion against him.
Paired with how much effort I know he put into GSL I, I think he's town.
In my view, the more time, the more chances town actually have. Unless discussion completely stagnates, we should wait as long as possible (even though what we really want is to see v7's godamn alignment ASAP)
Let's lynch him tomorrow at 7 KST then, if he doesn't make himself useful in any manner. Or at least until there's no one talking about anything.
Couple of observations during our little engagement.
1) Drazak is 100% awol
2) Iamperfection even posted a (now THAT is whiny) "why is everyone ignoring me" post in the middle of all this.
3) marv was pretty quick to take a stance in me vs. you.
1) makes me redact some of my townie thoughts on him. He better have some damn good reason for not posting. Seems like he only bothered to post to defend himself.
2) gives me a slight town tell on iamp
3) is weird. There were a lot of arguments floating around, and it didn't seem like he went too deep in them.
Thoughts?
1) This is concerning. I had Drazak promise to me both pre-game and in-game that he'd be active. He hasn't done so, and his activity levels dropping off a cliff is concerning.
2) I've been tricked by Risen doing this as scum before, so I don't think this is a town-tell.
3) Not alignment indicative.
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On October 22 2012 07:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:42 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways:
Slightly town on DP. Kind of town on iamp.
Still slightly scummy on Draz, but not enough that I would vote him at this point without more content.
No one else has really stuck out in the limited amount of time I've actually been able to read and research people. I'm not going to just make up reads that I don't believe in, so meh. DP has 5 pages of filter already and you consider him only slightly town?
What the hell does the length of his filter have to do with whether he is town or not? It doesn't, in general. Unless you're making a meta read?
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On October 22 2012 07:51 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:00 Hapahauli wrote:On October 22 2012 06:42 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways:
Slightly town on DP. Kind of town on iamp.
Still slightly scummy on Draz, but not enough that I would vote him at this point without more content.
No one else has really stuck out in the limited amount of time I've actually been able to read and research people. I'm not going to just make up reads that I don't believe in, so meh. DP has 5 pages of filter already and you consider him only slightly town? What the hell does the length of his filter have to do with whether he is town or not? It doesn't, in general. Unless you're making a meta read?
Scum posting 5 pages on D1 would be pretty jaw-droppingly impressive.
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On October 22 2012 07:48 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi. Do you actually think I'm scum? You've been wavering back and forth all day without really taking a hard stance on me. Feels like you're trying to set yourself up to not look bad for my mislynch, tbh.
You should know I take full responsibility for any lynch I'm voting on.
If I were confident you were scum I'd have my vote on you now. I'll take a hard stance when I feel a hard stance. I'm canvassing opinion because I'm unsure on my read. If I had to yes/no now? Then yes, dear.
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On October 22 2012 07:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:48 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi. Do you actually think I'm scum? You've been wavering back and forth all day without really taking a hard stance on me. Feels like you're trying to set yourself up to not look bad for my mislynch, tbh. You should know I take full responsibility for any lynch I'm voting on. If I were confident you were scum I'd have my vote on you now. I'll take a hard stance when I feel a hard stance. I'm canvassing opinion because I'm unsure on my read. If I had to yes/no now? Then yes, dear.
Why is it okay for you to take a hard stance whenever you feel like it, but not me?
That's basically the exact same thing I've been saying. I just haven't been plopping every single one of my thoughts in the thread because I'm busy.
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On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi.
Gonna be more or less away for a few hours but I saw this and gave him a cursory read.
He continuously responds to some of the same stuff over and over. I don't make anything of that, but it's the biggest takeaway I have from his filter "People keep bringing up the same things, he keeps addressing those concerns and dismissing them." I dunno where that fits into his normal behavior, but it's null to me. That's ... about it? My biggest takeaway from my filter is that I have this thought about him and it's not alignment-determinative.
I'd like to hear what he thinks about DeePgate overall, not about DP himself but about the rest of us who interacted with him. And hopefully there's enough recent action that he can comment on someone.
I agree that not having anything to hold someone accountable to is a liability, but I don't want to vote someone for being a liability right now. I'll think more about his earlier response, but right now I'm happier with a v7 lynch than keirathi?
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On October 22 2012 07:56 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:54 marvellosity wrote:On October 22 2012 07:48 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi. Do you actually think I'm scum? You've been wavering back and forth all day without really taking a hard stance on me. Feels like you're trying to set yourself up to not look bad for my mislynch, tbh. You should know I take full responsibility for any lynch I'm voting on. If I were confident you were scum I'd have my vote on you now. I'll take a hard stance when I feel a hard stance. I'm canvassing opinion because I'm unsure on my read. If I had to yes/no now? Then yes, dear. Why is it okay for you to take a hard stance whenever you feel like it, but not me? That's basically the exact same thing I've been saying. I just haven't been plopping every single one of my thoughts in the thread because I'm busy.
Because I actually have fleshed out thoughts on several of the players in the game?
Hapa - I'm wary of meta in Kei's case is because I know how aware of it he is. The little fucker correctly metaing kush as town on how I hard-defended him in Liquid.
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fuck you austin, DeePgate wasn't one of the options.
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On October 22 2012 08:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:56 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 07:54 marvellosity wrote:On October 22 2012 07:48 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi. Do you actually think I'm scum? You've been wavering back and forth all day without really taking a hard stance on me. Feels like you're trying to set yourself up to not look bad for my mislynch, tbh. You should know I take full responsibility for any lynch I'm voting on. If I were confident you were scum I'd have my vote on you now. I'll take a hard stance when I feel a hard stance. I'm canvassing opinion because I'm unsure on my read. If I had to yes/no now? Then yes, dear. Why is it okay for you to take a hard stance whenever you feel like it, but not me? That's basically the exact same thing I've been saying. I just haven't been plopping every single one of my thoughts in the thread because I'm busy. Because I actually have fleshed out thoughts on several of the players in the game? Hapa - I'm wary of meta in Kei's case is because I know how aware of it he is. The little fucker correctly metaing kush as town on how I hard-defended him in Liquid.
Well the argument that he's less-active (and making himself more suspicious than his normal scum meta) doesn't really hold water. Why would he do this if he was self-aware of his meta? I mean there are other reasons why he could be scum, but self-awareness of meta isn't one of them.
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so you can make these arguments for him? ^^
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On October 22 2012 08:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:56 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 07:54 marvellosity wrote:On October 22 2012 07:48 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi. Do you actually think I'm scum? You've been wavering back and forth all day without really taking a hard stance on me. Feels like you're trying to set yourself up to not look bad for my mislynch, tbh. You should know I take full responsibility for any lynch I'm voting on. If I were confident you were scum I'd have my vote on you now. I'll take a hard stance when I feel a hard stance. I'm canvassing opinion because I'm unsure on my read. If I had to yes/no now? Then yes, dear. Why is it okay for you to take a hard stance whenever you feel like it, but not me? That's basically the exact same thing I've been saying. I just haven't been plopping every single one of my thoughts in the thread because I'm busy. Because I actually have fleshed out thoughts on several of the players in the game? Hapa - I'm wary of meta in Kei's case is because I know how aware of it he is. The little fucker correctly metaing kush as town on how I hard-defended him in Liquid.
How was my ability to meta read you in any way related to the case against me being scum? :o
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