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Djodref
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It's ok, you being vig and shooting kush makes a lot of sense. I believe you. Don't worry about is too much, I think it is going to help us. Even as town, Kush can be pretty disruptive, especially when everyone is coming at him. I think that mafia was planning to mislynch him today. Please notice how Kush decided to go after sylverfire after all. Maybe they switched last minute onto sylver to make kush look even worse. This or blue snipping, I don't know... | ||
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Djodref
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Djodref
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I hope to have a lot of posts from Ini and nackhtjogger when I wake up. | ||
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Djodref
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On October 29 2012 00:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I have you pinned as scum right now. You are anything but town. In the off chance that you aren't scum, you are the SK. The word "Maybe" was in order in my post. That being said, I read your regards on my case on you; and I'll address them at a later time (preparing for hurricane Sandy here, east coast ftl). @Dandel You are completely cracking under pressure right now, and walking a fine line. I suggest you stop flaming and produce something coherent. A case on your best scum read, perhaps. You aren't doing anything constructive. My vote is for Djodref, but if you continue this scummy behavior I'd consider switching it to you. As bad as I wan't Djo lynched, recent events are showing you as very red. I really hope lurkers show up to provide some insight. @ Cheese Sorry to bring this up but what does the part in bold font means exactly ? I didn't find any "maybe" in the post where you voted me... I don't understand the expression (not native speaker) so I would appreciate it if you could enlighten me. Are you dropping the SK charges against me ? | ||
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Djodref
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On October 29 2012 01:43 Rad wrote: Guys, is there ANY chance that there's also an SK and we both targeted kush, or he targeted sylver? @ Rad I wouldn't say that it is impossible but I don't believe it all personally. We might still have a SK because town is stacked with blue roles in this game but I doubt it given the precedent difficult experience of the host as a SK during a newbie. You should ask the host what happens to your bullet in such cases. How many bullets do you have now ? | ||
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Djodref
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On October 29 2012 02:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: When I made that post I was 95% sure you were scum, 5% SK. With the vig claim, I'm damn near 100% sure of you being scum. "Maybe" = perhaps, having the slight possibility of being the SK @ Cheese Next time use maybe when you have to use maybe. When you write," Djo is scum or SK", I don't get a 95%-5% at all. | ||
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Djodref
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Sorry I didn't read the rules for the roles... Off to bed | ||
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Djodref
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On October 29 2012 02:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Apologies for the discrepancy, I see how or implies 50-50. But my read on you has, and will remain, scum. /semi-joke I hope that Rad is going to tunnel you for this post  | ||
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Djodref
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@ debears I have to go to work so I have no time to address your case against me. I saw that you did some research in my previous game filters and you seem to have actually read my all filter. It's a pity that you are looking in the wrong direction but I'm the one to blame. Anyways, it makes you even more town for me. @ nackht I'm still waiting for some input. The more I wait the more I expect from you when you come back. @ Ini I have nothing to claim. And Kush went back to a null read on me just before he died, that's why he didn't write the case. If you think that I am SK, please come at me with some evidence showing that I am SK. But I don't think you should be spending your time on this (if you are town) because we don't know yet if there is a SK. @ Alsn At the time I wrote my case against Ini, he was the scummiest among us in my eyes. I have reconsidered this after he answered my case and backed off of him because of this. Now I have a newbie town read on him. A big towntell in my eyes is how he reacted to my "scumslip" post attack against kush. He was the only one to consider it seriously because he is town, or at least he faked it very well while discussing about it. | ||
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Djodref
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It's very unlikely for mafia to fake claim vig. Mafia knows that they didn't kill kush but they somebody else killed him, i.e. vig or SK. Vig case If they fake claim, the vig could counter claim and then town is sure that one of the two is mafia. You are not even sure that the real vig is going to get lynched first. Very bad idea... SK case You are risking a fake counter claim by the SK as well. The SK can choose not taking the risk but anyway he knows for sure that Rad is lying about the kill. The mafia doesn't want to reveal to the SK at all. | ||
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Djodref
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It's true that I didn't consider the fact that Kush could have been killed by the mafia and that I have found a possible reason for the mafia to have targeted sylverfire quite fast. It was obvious for me that mafia would never had killed Kush because of my experience of the last game. Correct me if I'm wrong but Kush is never NKed by the mafia when he rolls town. Anyway, I should have looked like I had some extra information about the night kills. So, from a mafia point of view, I really should be looking like a SK. I find it very strange that dandel didn't wait that long for a vig to claim. Getting a SK lynched is good for the image I guess so he comes at me very fast with a weird meta argument to support the fact that could be SK. [u]To sum up[u] Scum dandel knows that I'm not going to flip scum. Reacting to an apparent extra information about the NKs from my side, he comes at me very fast saying that I'm SK (not waiting for a claim, backing it up with poor arguments). He doesn't have the time to go through 18 pages of Thrawn's filter. Seriously, it makes so much sense ! Town dandel would have reacted slower to an apparent extra information about the NKs from my side. It doesn't tell if I'm scum or SK (please check Cheese reaction to see the difference). His reaction could have been possible but it makes less sense. ##Unvote ##Vote Dandel | ||
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Djodref
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It doesn't change the fact that he does not back up with a consistent case his "strong read" for me being SK. Moreover, if you take the time to think about it, in a 5vs3vs1 situation, it's better for town not to lynch the SK. On the opposite, mafia would be eager to get rid of him. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
We might still have a SK. SK doesn't use automatically his KP all nights. | ||
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Djodref
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Let's have a look at the progression of dandel's read on me. During N1 On October 28 2012 04:57 Dandel Ion wrote: I have scumreads on you and Inig. You being my top scumread. A little weaker scumread on Djo. Are you even paying attention? 11 hours after beginning of D2 On October 28 2012 20:03 Dandel Ion wrote: /snip I just want you to admit shooting either of them. You could still be scum, but the read I'm getting from you really strongly is SK. /snip Conclusion: Djo is either SK, or scum. Both are reasons to lynch him, to me. ##Vote Djodref That said, does anybody even care about this game anymore?... and then again On October 28 2012 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote: SK is also more likely in my mind because nobody really defends you, except really soft defenses. You look more "alone" than a scum would, in my opinion. That, or your scumbuddies are lurking, which would also explain it. /snip So he goes from a light scumread on me to a very strong SK read. His reasons for me being SK are poor, and I think he was convinced like this because he has extra information. Anyway, he is convinced that I'm SK, which is false by the way. He has to assume that we are in a 5vs3vs1 situation and he still wants to lynch me after that. I don't think that any town player would like the lynch a SK in that situation. This is the most incriminating part against him in my eyes and this one is valid regardless of my alignment. If he is really town and he assumes that the current state is 5vs3vs1, he would never push for a SK lynch. He should go instead for his second strongest scumread after Kush, which is Ini and not me.. | ||
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Djodref
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Conclusion, dandel is scum | ||
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Djodref
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On October 29 2012 11:03 Rad wrote: /snip So, I really don't understand why he's even bringing it up anymore, but again, don't know what that says. If there is an SK, what can we possibly do about it right now? Would lynching an SK even help at this point? We have to lynch a scum or we're screwed, right? /snip @ Rad You have said it yourself ! It's not in town interest to lynch a possible SK at that point, it is even against the town. Yet dandel is pushing for it. And this one fits perfectly a mafia agenda. When you add on top of that the shitfest we had after Alsn case, it is almost confirmed that dandel is scum. And yeah it's stupid from my side to bring back the possibility of a SK. But I have said a lot of stupid and useless things since the beginning of this game. | ||
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Djodref
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If you are town, you do not lynch the SK in this configuration and you believed I was the SK. | ||
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Djodref
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Check this out, I have already posted it but w/e... On October 29 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote: There is no town player wanting to lynch a SK in a 5vs3vs1 situation because it brings you to a 4vs3 situation the following day. 4vs3 is the worst situation you can ever get for town. Lylo situation are always tricky but on this one the 4 town players have to vote for the same mafia player or else town loses. I would be surprised that town dandel did not consider that. Conclusion, dandel is scum It's not dandel first game. I guess he knows about the risks of a lylo. | ||
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