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It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and wanted to gain town points by opposing both lynches.
You could have reproached to have known daoud's alignment. But it looks like that you know Ini's alignment.
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@ Kush It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and wanted to gain town points by opposing both lynches. You could have reproached to have known daoud's alignment. But it looks like that you know Ini's alignment. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Of course I was frustrated. I come back to the thread and votes are stacked high on two other people. But is it really constructive to moan and groan about it? No. As I stated, energy was rather spent contributing to the lynch at hand. If you think crowding the thread with "My god people, why do we have these guys up for lynch?" is a better alternative, then you are sadly mistake. @ Cheese I don't see any kind of frustration in this post. On October 27 2012 08:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Okay I just got back, and will be here pre and post lynch. My thoughts on the current state of affairs. It seems the lynch is in favor of Inig, but Da0ud following close behind. My vote on Djo is obviously not doing any good. I still consider him suspicious, and he is by no means off the hook. My efforts right now are better spent deciding who is a better lynch candidate: Da0ud or Inig. On Inig: Honestly, I have no idea why people suddenly started piling on top of him. I found him -slightly- suspicious after his emotional outburst and semi-lurking. However, since then he has been asking questions (to myself included) and improving his post count. The cases against him are weak, imo. I've read through them I don't see much of a reason to lynch him. His vote on Imcasey I don't view as scum-intentioned; it was an attempt to draw out the lurker. I don't think scum would be that bold, because a vote like that would (and surely did) draw attention. That is not at all blending in. His recent vote on Dandel, however, doesn't make sense from any role viewpoint I think, so I don't know what to think about that. I'll be reading more into his posts about Dandel later. On Da0ud: I skimmed through the cases concerning him, and by my own standards think he is more scummy-looking than Inig. In particular, this post about the modkill. We all saw the modkill. This isn't contributing anything. Why talk about it? A townie died, there's nothing we can do about it, especially since he basically suicided. This is a useless topic. Then, there is the entire percentage-based town read on Djo. I believe Kush mentioned this. 90% town on the first day? I most surely don't see it that way, and a 90% town read based on little concrete evidence? I don't get it. In addition, he's a semi-lurker / blending in. There is also an entire meta-arguement against him as well. I cannot address this as I know nothing of his previous game meta. This being said, I find Da0ud to be much more scummier than Inig. ##Vote: Da0ud I apologize for not being here sooner and for this post being somewhat rushed; I had a personal matter to attend to that required my immediate assistance. In my eyes, it looks like you didn't really care about was going to get lynched. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I think I see what you mean now, but he's explaining what he believes is your thought process / motivation, not his own. I can't really claim that to be a scumslip. @ Cheese townie post: it seems like you knew that both of them would flip town and blabla scumslip post: It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and blabla But I would agree that it is not a big scumtelll. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:02 kushm4sta wrote: I am kind of busy today jacking off and I don't feel liek making cases ATM. I will present my cases before the day post in case I get killed. Also thanks for all your shitty suspicion. I hope it keeps me from getting nk. @ Kush Come on, you know that you never get nkilled when you roll town  You reads are not so good (I'm referring to Looney especially) and you are always a mislynch potential...I don't remember you mentioning the possibility for you to get NKed in the Looney game, even during N3. This one post totally fits your scum meta. | ||
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On October 28 2012 01:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Why do you find it necessary to have me frustrated? I wasn't going to project frustration or anger it in this case, because it isn't constructive in the least bit. One of those two people were going to be lynched no matter what I did; I just wanted to steer it in, what I believed, the better direction. I cared about who was being lynched: The one I saw as being scummier looking. @ Cheese You admitted yourself being frustrated at that time. I'm expecting to feel it when I read your post. I'm expecting no more than a little comment like: "I'm regretting that I cannot lynch Djo today blabla". I'm just seeing you stating that I'm suspicious and proceeding to compare daoud and Inig posts. You didn't seem to have any problem with that and that irks me. | ||
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On October 28 2012 01:13 kushm4sta wrote: @nk mention I didn't mention it in looney. I did mention it in LC. djo is scum btw guys @ Kush If you are town, I have bad news for you because your reads are one more time completely wrong. First daoud and then me. @ possible vig If you feel like it, just shoot him | ||
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Sorry kush for the last posts, I went a little too far... No hard feelings I hope <3 | ||
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On October 28 2012 01:13 kushm4sta wrote: @nk mention I didn't mention it in looney. I did mention it in LC. djo is scum btw guys It's true guys, he also does this kind of shit as town On October 06 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote: also ty kreb your suspicion saves me from nk Here is a quote from kush from the Liquid City game where he was town... | ||
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 So if you have some points against me that you feel that I didn't correctly addressed, I have a feeling that you guys are considering defense as important as scumhunting so I'm willing to defend myself as much as I can now. @ Kush I'm not totally sold on you being scum right now: there is still a possibility for you to be town in my opinion. @ everyone I would recommend everyone to be wary because it could be very easy for mafia to mislynch Kush right now if he is town. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I was mafia in my last game and we benefited from the greatest mislynch ever on D2 because nobody took the time to think about the lynch twice. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Of course I was frustrated. I come back to the thread and votes are stacked high on two other people. But is it really constructive to moan and groan about it? No. As I stated, energy was rather spent contributing to the lynch at hand. If you think crowding the thread with "My god people, why do we have these guys up for lynch?" is a better alternative, then you are sadly mistake. @ Cheese Well, if you really think that the two other people are less worth a lynch than your top scumread (which what your case I think, given the poor interest you had in daoud before you decided to lynch him), I think it is your responsibility as town to stand up and push your lynch. I'm sorry but I'm thinking that you are the one mistaken here. No matter how late it is in the thread, you should try to push your top scumread. Otherwise, mafia is just going to push the townies everyday. | ||
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On October 25 2012 13:44 sylverfyre wrote: I feel like asking everyone a loaded question, but one that makes sense for a newbie game: If you're not completely new to mafia (maybe you've played a few games IRL/elsewhere, or this isn't your first game on TL) What's your favorite role to play in mafia? I feel like I'm one of few who actively enjoys being a vanilla townie more than scum or a power-townie. It feels that much better when you're part of a victory! Maybe I'm wrong in this being an uncommon choice of favorite role, though. I would say mafia was trying to snipe a blue and managed to do it. Regarding Kush death, I would say vig or SK. Both makes sense. But jailkeeper + vig + detective seems imba so I think we have a SK. | ||
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On October 28 2012 08:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: MY OPINION ON DJODREF A compilation of quotes, and reasons why I believe he is guilty By: Mr. Cheesecake _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Scumslip + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote: Here is the infamous scumslip by Djo, he refers to Da0ud explicitly as town (who we now know IS town). There is little to say here: How does Djo know Da0ud is town? He doesn't even have a reason to think he's town. He even votes for Da0ud which I will address later.daoud Good ! I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town What's your take on the Rad-debears argument by the way? Furthermore, Djo provides us with the weakest defense for a scumslip ever: On October 25 2012 18:40 Djodref wrote: I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^ All he says is "Not a scumslip, please move along" and plays it off like no big deal with a characteristic smiley and ^^. This explanation is nowhere near adequate enough to address the issue. Town can slip and mafia can slip.You have to pay attention to the context of the sentence. I'm saying that I'm not going to defend him this game, in contrast of our previous game where I knew he was town, I guess my brain makes a wrong connection and there is a slip. My explanation was adequate the first time by the way. Also I would like you to check my filter of my last game where I was mafia and find a slip in my filter. There is none because I have really paid attention to what I post. It's not the case in this game. “Are you Mafia?" Question + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote: @Roco I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? I first picked up on this in my original FoS post. Why would you ask someone explicitly if they are mafia? What is even the PURPOSE of this? Is he attempting to arouse suspicion for Roco? On October 26 2012 01:12 Djodref wrote: How on God's green Earth would asking someone if they are mafia make them uncomfortable? All a scum player would need to rebuke it is: No. There is zero town motivation for asking someone if they are mafia.@sylver I'm sorry but not wanting to look suspicious is totally natural from a townie, especially from a total newbie. Adding the second question was only to make him uncomfortable if he was mafia. There is also no mafia motivation for it. This point is not relevant in my opinion. Anyway, I wanted to pressure him, it was also sarcastic. Being called mafia in plain sight makes you feel uncomfortable regardless of how easy you can brush it off. His Questions about Inig + Show Spoiler + It is obvious from the very beginning that Djo is suspicious of Ini. He asks everyone about what they think of him. Firstly: Why would Djo care what anyone else thinks? If his scum read were strong enough, he'd have the confidence (there's that word again...) to make a case without input from a third party. Secondly: He sometimes asks these questions in context of something else, as if to brush off some accusation against him. On October 25 2012 18:51 Djodref wrote: @daoud What do you think about Ini ? On October 25 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote: @debears If you are around, I would like to know what do you think about Inig first posts. On October 26 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote: I don't think that debears is advocating chaos. In my point of view, he is certainly promoting discussion. We could as well being still discussing policy lynches if he wasn't here. And please remind that it's quite easy for mafia to avoid a policy lynch. By the way, do you believe that we can lynch a scum on D1 ? What do you think of Inig ? He throws out two questions, one of them being about inig. What does Inig have anything to do with the discussion at hand? The only reason I can see for it is an attempt to derail the thread into something about Inig. On October 26 2012 08:25 Djodref wrote: @Alsn I would expect more from you than an half-assed FoS on me What do you think about Inig ? He completely brushes off the FoS from Alsn and asks about Inig instead. On October 26 2012 10:15 Djodref wrote: AGAIN, brushing off the FoS from Alsn, in favor of pursing interests of Ini.Honestly, I don't really care if Alsn has a FoS on me if it is for the reasons he has stated in his post. I know he is totally able to come at me with something more consistent if he really thinks I'm scum. Right now, I think his reasons are poor and I'm more interested in his opinion about Ini. These questions are nothing more than attempts to deflect discussion, away from him or otherwise, onto something else. I was trying to push my scumread. I wanted to see what people had to say about Ini because it could have been evidence against them for later if Ini had flipped red. Brushing off Alsn FoS like this was regrettable but I did try to address some other attacks against me in the meantime. An Appeal to Emotion + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote: I'm still feeling bad for tunneling until death last game I even didn't have the balls to state that I had changed my mind about you at the end. As I feel some townie vibes from you in this game, I thought I could at least defend you this one time. debears <3 This is an outright appeal to emotion. He's feeling bad about last game, sure. Why bring it up? It bears no significance to anything in the thread other than making us feel bad for him. He even gives Debears a <3... really? debears asked me a question, I answered why. I gave debears some <3 in my other game when I was town. 180 on Inig + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 08:56 Djodref wrote: Please note that this is the entire vote post.## Vote daoud Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far... This is 100% completely contradictory to everything Djo has previously said / advocated about Inig. He had a case on Inig, he was always asking those questions about him. Inig was, apparently, his biggest scum read. Why the sudden 180 degree turn and vote for Da0ud? It makes no sense whatsoever, and his explanation for dropping the vote was "I'm really starting to doubt myself about Inig's case..." and his reason for voting Da0ud is: "his involvement hasn't been great." Hardly enough to justify a revote. I've made a case against Ini. He has answered to it and started to contribute in a better way so I have changed my mind about him. Stop cherry-picking and go read my filter. To be more precise, I'm still thinking there are scummy things in Ini's filter but I was feeling him honest and sincere. How can I possibly vote a guy when I have a feeling like this ? Regarding daoud, I did not want to lynch him. My vote on daoud was just to avoid a modkill... + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 08:00 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese What the fuck are you doing with your vote still on my back ? Come in the thread and choose who you want to lynch today between daoud and Ini. Tell us your reasons about it ! Here he advocates that I choose a side on the Da0ud-Inig debate, which I eventually did once I returned. Also: why is he so paranoid about my vote on him? On October 27 2012 17:53 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese At this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ? You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ? You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ? I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch. This post contradicts the previous. He explicitly TOLD me to weigh in on the debate and cast my vote for one of the others. Why the heck is he calling me out for it? Is this not what he asked for from me? On October 27 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote: As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book. And here Djo is trying to further his case about my vote of Da0ud. There is a portion after the lynch where I try to explain to him that my biggest scumread was still on him. That pursuing his case at the time would have produced nothing; that I voted for Da0ud because he looked scummier than Inig; Check either of our filters about it. (page 38ish of the thread). He seems sour that I have a scumread / FoS on him and a vote most of the day. This entire ploy to discredit me is baseless, and likely an attempt to thwart my future attempts at scum hunting him. I'm not trying to discredit you. I'm scumhunting. General Thread Clutter (my opinion) + Show Spoiler + Admittedly some of it is defense, his filter is huge and he's talking on absolutely every page. The thread doesn't need to know every thought that pops in your head. A large majority is just casual conversation without his own input on certain subjects. Is this an attempt to bury logical arguements? He's trying to post a lot to seem like he's contributing, but I find most of his questions/concerns pointless. Take the "scumtell on Kush" post. I don't think anyone in the thread thought it was a scumtell, but he made a fuss over it. I admit that I clutter the thread. Just trying to be active and to generate discussion in lurker-land... A Final Note + Show Spoiler + Look at who Djodref has suspicions (FoS's) on. Me and Sylverfyre. I oppose him, and Sylverfyre has tunneled him hard. His best scum reads are on people that find him highly suspicious! What does this say? He's scared. He's scared and replying by digging up any dirt he can on us. After synthesizing all of what you have posted Djo, the jig is up. You are SCUM I'm going to start my day by addressing this case. First things first, even if your case is not bad, the conclusion is wrong. I'm town so I would like you to be as objective as possible when you read my answers. Please find my defense in bold font in the spoiler. | ||
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On October 28 2012 09:41 Dandel Ion wrote: Djodref, why are you being so certain that mafia is responsible for the kill on Sylver? Is there something you want to tell us? @ dandel Please show me in my post where I'm "so certain". I'm using conditional verbal forms... | ||
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On October 28 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Djo I find it odd that you suddenly find a reason for Sylver being killed and flipping blue so quickly. I believe this indicates that you were thinking about it beforehand. It's also odd that specifically Sylver, the one who was tunneling you so hard late d1, is found dead. An attempt to divert attention away from yourself. @ Cheese Take out your biased confirmation goggles. | ||
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Kush being the mafia KP ? Are you serious ? Why would the mafia get rid of a player that almost everybody was FoSing ? Moreover, with Kush posting style, it was almost a guaranteed mislynch. Regarding sylverfer, I didn't see any reasons for the mafia to kill him at first. So I quickly assumed (assume as in making an hypothesis) that is could be blue snipping. I was looking for a breadcrumb in sylver's filter and I knew already this post. I was just sharing my thoughts about it. It was fast but seriously timing posts arguments are weak. Now, regarding your vote, are you using Thrawn meta to incriminate me as an SK ? And is this the only reason ? Please think about it again. Please tell me about all your reasons to vote for me. And lynching me for being scum or SK ? Tell me the reasons why I should be scum and the reasons why I should be SK. I'm not sure but I'm guessing the playing styles are different... Regarding the claim might come later, we are playing this game in lurkland, remember ? Please reconsider your reasons, because I'm a fucking townie, and fear that you I everybody are going to vote me way too fast, without thinking about it twice and go back to lurking. | ||
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