EPTpalmar looks town. his case is convincing. I'm sheeping.
I have also had a scummy feeling about thrawn. a lot of his.posts seem fake..esp that one about bc.
and scum marv is very vulnerable to metareads, he has admitted this. He's a good lynch imo.
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
palmar looks town. his case is convincing. I'm sheeping. I have also had a scummy feeling about thrawn. a lot of his.posts seem fake..esp that one about bc. and scum marv is very vulnerable to metareads, he has admitted this. He's a good lynch imo. | ||
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supersoft
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kushm4sta
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 04 2013 23:03 supersoft wrote: Yeah see. And how i voting you from my perspective "super weak"? you've given no prior indication i might be scum, nor any reasons why you agree with palmar. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
He's being very intelligent and thorough so he cannot be scum. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 04 2013 23:02 kushm4sta wrote: aw it's so cute to see marv panick. palmar looks town. his case is convincing. I'm sheeping. I have also had a scummy feeling about thrawn. a lot of his.posts seem fake..esp that one about bc. and scum marv is very vulnerable to metareads, he has admitted this. He's a good lynch imo. you're so cute, kush. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7468 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On January 04 2013 23:04 marvellosity wrote: you've given no prior indication i might be scum, nor any reasons why you agree with palmar. doesnt mean i have no reasons. The list you made is pretty good: i'd only add some minor changes, and ofc switch our colors, since you are as obviously scum as meapak and BC. Palmars case is perfect. and your Palmar-tunneling was just implausible | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 04 2013 23:11 supersoft wrote: doesnt mean i have no reasons. The list you made is pretty good: i'd only add some minor changes, and ofc switch our colors, since you are as obviously scum as meapak and BC. Palmars case is perfect. and your Palmar-tunneling was just implausible then you're as bad as both you and Palmar were earlier for believing Vivax is scum. Palmar's case is really terrible and it irks me that you can't understand it. My Palmar tunnel wasn't even implausible, you said yourself that you had to sit and think about the post I made on him, presumably because it made good points. If you are actually town, get your head out of Palmar's ass for one fucking minute, please. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 04 2013 22:57 Vivax wrote: Adam is lurky, but I actually like his post about debears. Debears advocated the use of statistics but doesn't give a fuck about them or the game in general, I feel. That doesn't make him scum yet since he might be busy at a swinger party with his Brown brothers, but I'm waiting for his play to unfold...in a better way than his previous. I also liked Adams' question to Clarity. Clarity picked the lurking vet, Jackal, instead of Tube, the douche lurker. Call me biased about this, but I also find it more likely that tube is scum since he was so theatrical about his post, and Adam gets townie points from me for noticing that Clarity made a weird choice. Why don't you post reads about froggy or lazer marv? Lazer promised to post, so I can see that, but froggy? I actually played with froggynoddy in both his previous 2 games on TL Mafia (as far as I'm aware). I was his big bro scum in LIV, and he was town vigi in Magic Mini. In LIV he constantly apologised for being absent and was for the most part extremely diplomatic. In Magic Mini he was more aggressive and less apologetic. He's been too absent so far but there's no particular reason right now to think he is scum. His play is closer to that towngame than it was to his scumgame. His first post on Tunkeg was bad but he came at it with a kinda belligerent attitude I'd expect from him playing tonw, not scum | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
I personally would prefer a BC lynch. His posts all 'look' like he is helping town when he is not contributing anthing constructive that will be of help to town in the long run. He also jumped in to defend me when at best good players should have a null read on me s I have been pretty terribad. Scum seem more likely to jump in and help than town as, in the offchance that I flip; they would gain a little cred from me flipping town. I also still think if marv is scum then this is the worst Ive seen him play, which I guess is possible. I would also consider the fact that I think the town atmosphere in Day 1 (vets trolling, noobs like me trying to play serious to ahem disastrous effet) could have affected playstyle. that being said of the current list of candidates marv seems scummiest... I would prefer a BC or even Toad lynch as I a lot of what I've said against BC could be applied to toad. OTherwise, Hiropro tunnelling me sees quite townie. I dont see why scum would try and divert attention from Palmar and Toad lynches (unless they were both scum.. but then I would be such a strange/inadequate target no?) Dabears case on TUnkeg is just a more elaborate piece about how we think he's a bit of a dick. Not necessarilly scummy. I would still urge Tunkeg to ignore the potshots at him and prove how awesome he is by being pro-town. @Vivax: I may have sounded artificial because 1. I am a noob (6 games, 3 as town, only 1 as late game town where I lost the game because I hated Tunkeg and wanted him dead) 2. I havent played for a while 3. I feel uncomfortable playing town, I guess ly legal background means I am more comfortable lying... 4. I am BRitish, I despise personal conflict (particularly on the internet) so sometimes my tone can be a bit... constructed or perhaps considered. Should be around for next 3 hours and maybe later but am traveling all day tomorrow. I will back a marv lynch unless people can be convinced on voting BC. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 04 2013 22:12 Vivax wrote: Because he was talking about what would happend if he got lynched even though it was just a few hours in and he wasn't even close to getting lynched at the time. I just feel that this is something a scum could say as an overreaction. Also, like I mentioned earlier, I played some time ago with Hopeless as scum and me as town where he did a similar thing. Overreacting like crazy to a post of Hapa.Lazer, what did you find scummy about Hopeless' reaction at that time? Y'know, point 1. On January 04 2013 21:49 Vivax wrote: I don't see that as a problem in any way TBH. I was quite sceptic about Palmar as you already pointed out but his logs seemed extremly genuine. Palmar is my strongest town read atm. Reason I voted Marv is that the case on him was good. I hadn't looked into him earlier because this is a 30 player game so I simply will not have the motivation to go through 30 players filter every day. With that being said, I agreed with basically everything Palmar said. No I don't have any arguments of my own regarding Marv but I fail to see how that is relevant.I refuse to believe that iamp is town. Looking through posts and chats again, I could very well imagine him being a scum mason. Palmar essentially got persuaded by WIFOMING about the possible benefits of sacrificing KP for masoning in favour of iamp. I will judge him by his play, not by this, so he doesn't get all lazy and cosy. @ Lazer, how do you go from "I will lynch Palmar if he doesn't show these logs" to "Yhea, I can vote marv?". Do you have arguments of your own for voting marv? Or @ everyone: When was the last time Lazermonkey pushed a lynch of his own? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
both scum - least likely option. too much risk, etc etc. this option is so dumb i'm removing it as a possibility iamp scum - palmar town - same stuff that's been said, sending out a scum iamp to try and trick a town palmar is not something anyone here would try that only leaves both town, or iamp town and palmar scum. from the start of the game i've been hoping that palmar will drop his act and do some stuff to make me think think he;s toiwn. idc about the delay between when he was asked for logs and when he produced them because I don't think that both of them can possibly be scum. so iamp town, palmar scum or town? I think palmar's town. 1 started off playing in a way that's likely to get him lynched 2 trolling wasn't as disruptive as people are implying 3 if i assume iamp is town and read the mason logs as if i'm iamp, makes me think palmar is town | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On January 04 2013 23:14 marvellosity wrote: then you're as bad as both you and Palmar were earlier for believing Vivax is scum. Palmar's case is really terrible and it irks me that you can't understand it. My Palmar tunnel wasn't even implausible, you said yourself that you had to sit and think about the post I made on him, presumably because it made good points. If you are actually town, get your head out of Palmar's ass for one fucking minute, please. You know i have a problem with your game so far. Everything you did was just so useless. I cannot see the will to find scum. I don't see any plan. Examples? On January 03 2013 23:32 marvellosity wrote: It is my business. This is a game of mafia and I need to get reads on both you and him. Stop being a dick. this. I really don't know why you asked me this. You did see, that I was actively going for vivax - who i still think is scum - and you tried to distract me with MZ. (successful btw.) only when your attacked, you deliver: On January 04 2013 10:12 marvellosity wrote: Actually you're right for the first, but it's not quite what you think, and I don't mind explaining it a little. I was quite looking forward to this game because I felt there was a pretty decent chance I was going to be able to play town with at least 1 of Palmar or Foolishness. I've played with Fool twice only and he rolled scum, unfortunately, in both. Palmar I've played with a bunch of times, but so far always with the opposite alignment. Then after that Palmar has basically trolled most of the game (at least, playing nothing like his last few town games where I was either hosting or scum) and Foolishness is doing even worse than this. So yes, I've been disappointed with the game so far. mhm. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
The fact that: 1. Iamp conveniently didnt have the logs with him 2. Hours later Palmar refused to show the logs claiming (perhaps rightfully) that this this would not help town... I think this is true Day 1 as his reads, though convincing, are still based on just one days activity and noobs like me will feel strongly motivated to work on his assumptions rather than think for themselves. 3. Palmar finally gives up, even though he wasnt hugely at risk of a lynch. This, truly, is some more narrative construction and I am not saying that the logs were necessarily faked, just that I would rather base any judgment on his thread activity which honestly... baffles me so I cant really say one way or another. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I have also had a scummy feeling about marv. a lot of his.posts seem fake..esp that one about bc. I said thrawn before. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 04 2013 23:30 froggynoddy wrote: Oh and I refuse to see the logs as having any bearing on alignent on either iamp or Palmar. The fact that: 1. Iamp conveniently didnt have the logs with him 2. Hours later Palmar refused to show the logs claiming (perhaps rightfully) that this this would not help town... I think this is true Day 1 as his reads, though convincing, are still based on just one days activity and noobs like me will feel strongly motivated to work on his assumptions rather than think for themselves. 3. Palmar finally gives up, even though he wasnt hugely at risk of a lynch. This, truly, is some more narrative construction and I am not saying that the logs were necessarily faked, just that I would rather base any judgment on his thread activity which honestly... baffles me so I cant really say one way or another. why would scum masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? why would town masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 04 2013 23:30 supersoft wrote: You know i have a problem with your game so far. Everything you did was just so useless. I cannot see the will to find scum. I don't see any plan. Examples? this. I really don't know why you asked me this. You did see, that I was actively going for vivax - who i still think is scum - and you tried to distract me with MZ. (successful btw.) only when your attacked, you deliver: mhm. I didn't try to distract you from Vivax, you made a point on Meapak based on his original comment on Palmar. He was as far as I'm aware your best read at the time. After that, MZ came into the thread saying he wanted to lynch Tunkeg and a couple of pointless other things. Then for some reason you didn't comment on this, and it seemed like you should, so I asked you about it. Only when attacked I comment on my own play? Why is this either a surprise or alignment indicative? Also, Vivax is still probably town, so you need to get over that one. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On January 04 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote: froggy, i just posted why i dont find you scummy. reconsider your vote, you're not stupid. Tbh I dont feel completely comfortable with lynching you but honestly that case on Adam was super weak. that post in particular made me reconsider, it seemed desperate when you have plenty of time to find better scum targets. You defending me does not make you more townie. At best it is null, at worst its a scummy more clever attempt at 'seeming' like town. | ||
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