TL Mafia LVIII - Page 6

Hey Iamp. What do you think of Djodref?

I have noticed a few things that are alarming

1) His indifference to taking the helm in this game. His activity is much greater in his town games.
2) His weak reasoning for voting BC. He hides it among all the other stuff in this post, and says that the quoted post "serves mafia interest" without explaining



3) He never pushes BC after that
4) He brings up others, yet no real reasoning

smiley djo is scum

Day 1

With his first post he comes in with a bunch of reasonable sounding fluff about all the policy lynches he doesn't agree with. He is ok with a lurker lynch, but there is nobody he thinks is scum. His next post was a defense of tunkeg... still djo doesn't have a scumread. His thrid post comes during he marv wagon, and he disagrees with the marv lynch,and lynches bc because bc is the counterwagon. (and now we know bc is town) He does not have any scumreads for all of d1 and ends up parking his vote on a townie to save another townie....

Here is what djo has to say about bc when he votes:



and that's the entirety of he scumhuning djo did on day 1, up until he justifies his vote for BC (a townie)

Continuation of D1's non scumhunting

After D1 djo talks about a lot of random stuff and gets into random conversations, non of them related to scumhunting. It starts with this post and ends right before this one:



That's 13 posts where he isn't scumhunting, just 'participating' in the thread. And in that post where he finally calls people out as people he'd want to lynch, 2 of them (hopeless and mz) dont show up anywhere else in his filter so far. The obvious trend here is that djo hasn't been doing any scumhunting but will randomly have person(s) he wants to lynch who he's said nothing about so far.


Everything Else

Everything after the post where he calls out sentinel, mz, and hopeless is a lot like the rest of his filter. He'll get into conversations but never seems to be scumhunting or pressing reads. A lot of the time he's just arguing and giving people town reads. I also think this could be a scumslip:



He says he doesn't think kush is scum, because kush would be bussing.... how does he know kush isn't bussing?

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TLDR: he doesn't scumhunt, ever

I've removed some quotations to keep it somewhat readable, just read the previous cases if you want to know what it refers to.

#1:

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Your question to iamp:

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You didn't understand what I wrote (and also explained to clarity): I said that it was obvious that a scum iamp wouldn't answer with supersoft upon asked since that would have obviously brought up some serious questions. It is you making that answer a reason to back off from him that I find him scummy. It simply looks like an obsolete thing to ask.

And that's not the only thing, could you answer why you picked supersoft out of everyone else when MZ said he would be back home soon on the previous page and Keirathi referred to that? It looks to me like you took things out of context here.

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I am of other opinion here. I think using scum night actions as a way of stirring up suspicion on a player is scummy, especially since you try to do so without actually having intention of bringing up a lynch target for the current day. Again a way of looking like contributing and discrediting people who are viewed as townie by most people, at least that's my impression of iamp (being seen as townie).

Bringing the Hero argument and the marv analogy isn't valid here since marv didn't claim a shot. You're also saying


You're implying that iamp is a confirmed town mason?But why did you write that NK argument in the first place then?
You think he's a scum mason? Did you post something that could make you think that?No?Right.
If you have a reason for writing that and still writing something against him based on scum actions then speak up, I'm listening.

#3:

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Your random lynching argument is a joke. Well, I didn't get it.
Isn't necessarily mafia motivated means it could be very well mafia motivated. Ok, fine.
Let's treat this simply as null then.

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Someone else already pointed this out, I already acknowledged that it's WIFOM. I still don't like that speculation cause it's useless for scum hunting, now I could say for either alignment, but mafia don't like to scum-hunt, town does
Let's give you BOTD on this as well, although it would fit so well if you are scum :/

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Yeah, the specific response to the specific question was the answer to hopeless asking what you were implying by bolding two things while quoting him, which I referred to as shit-throwing.
Hopeless asked you if you were subtly calling him scum, to which you replied that you actually lean town on him?What changed about his posts? Exactly nothing, he just asked why you bolded some parts in his quote.
You found enough reason to quote him and bold some parts to make him look scummy, but maintained an unclear opinion when he asked you about it.

More tomorrow. Gn.

No, supersoft didn't look like he was phoneposting at all at that point, please give me proof for what you're saying, cause I can't find it on my own.

1. Show me where MZ is saying that he's posting from phone.
2. Show me what made you think that he was possible referring to supersoft.

I'm quite sure you won't find it, and you should know that. The fact you're holding on to your mistakes in such a stubborn way makes me think you're very scared of admitting them.



Again, you're misrepresenting what I said. It's the timing and purpose of that post, it leaks a scum mentality.

You're not writing posts about people who should be lynched next, you write them about people that should be lynched in a far away situation.
Additionally, you do so by using NK speculation.

Stop referring to a fraction of what I write and portraying me as scummy cause you defend against a fraction. Answer it all or don't answer it at all.

You didn't answer my question about your confirmed town iamp statement anyway.


You are right, on second check, actually it was Toad who bolded the parts. I had trouble seeing you quoting that thing without actually answering something to it besides your joke quote, so I assumed you bolded it. Gotta read better (='

Yknow it's funny. All I needed to know was: I didn't actually call hopeless scummy at that time, I just replied with statistics to his statement that he's not fine with random lynching.
But then, on the other hand, you made an extensive "I am slightly town and somewhat scum on you"-post, and that just doesn't fit with you replying to him with a joke-post, it rather looks like you felt pressured to write something to justify it.

Now you start spouting shit about me lying and being scum. That's overreaction, you can simply point out where I'm wrong without going berserk on it.
My current opinion is that you put quite a lot of points I saw about you aside, but there are still some old points that I'm not satisfied with after your answer.
I also don't like how you handled the whole thing:

You only answer to a portion of the points, and then call me scum after answering to them.
You don't acknowledge that most people saw these points as legitimate issues that had to be pointed out, else they wouldn't have liked the case right?

I'll reconsider your case during the day. Of all the people sheeping me on it no one actually bothered to look at the stuff they're sheeping, that doesn't make me feel easy about it, I don't want to do all the work >=(