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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 11 2013 12:59 GMT
#4021
ve i wanted to dayvig you when you first started crying to be released but nobody would let me
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 11 2013 13:04 GMT
#4022
gg guys. I quickly lost all will to play after day 2.
Mafia played well, but I feel town made itself lose (including me). Too many modkills, too many people declaring not trying.

The setup was interesting but perhaps a dayvig limit of 1 is required? Then again maybe if we don't lose two cops day 1 it is a more risky choice for scum
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 11 2013 13:06 GMT
#4023
thrawn do you mind posting your scumteam for closure's sake?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 11 2013 13:07 GMT
#4024
thrawn djo jackal foolish super vivax
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 11 2013 13:08 GMT
#4025
clarity i was intentionally buddying you with that jackal vote lol
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 11 2013 13:08 GMT
#4026
vivax? He's the only real surprise.

The debears lynch was nearly as stupid as the (nearly) marv lynch
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 13:08:31
January 11 2013 13:08 GMT
#4027
What went wrong

  • I failed to precisely construct the rules and then explain them.
  • I modkilled marvellosity and VisceraEyes when I should replace them or at least try to.
  • People posted too much.
  • People killed BC Day 1.
  • People were too aggressive towards each other and I am not talking game-wise.
  • Non-voting had its toll.
  • I allowed for more than one use of Day Vigilante, which Mafia team brought to me after the game start (before I changed the Doublevote, but not the DV) when I couldn't just make changes to the unclear rules.
  • Instead of testing how would the new Mafia mechanic work I gave them the One True Path to abuse. Clever of me.
  • Masons could be stronger.
  • Slow Cops are probably not worth it - I'd better go for more Parity Cops next time.
  • I gave town 3 Medics and allowed Mafia to bypass it with lots of Day Vigilantes. AGAIN ONE THING ;_;
  • Era of huge games might have ended.

What went right

  • Sloosh did an amazing job co-hosting, I recommend him for any other host looking for a competent co-host. Thanks Sloosh!
  • People who wanted to be replaced were clear about it and people who said would replace did replace and did good job jumping into the game. Thanks guys!
  • Mafia's play was pretty nice. There was no "lurk-till-they-see-us", people stayed active and were taken as town or as null reads for far too long! Also cheers for Vivax because noone got him, even in the obs QT.
  • Limited use of roles is a nice toy to play with - it might make people want to play the game (because they're not the usual VT) and adds and interesting dynamic.
  • New guys or people I haven't heard about - they did play the game. They did not solve he game, but they look like core of the mafia games, the fear of Vets versus Newbies is false.


+ Show Spoiler [Spreadsheet, QT] +

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah6U5iv-07QodEs3UF9Zcjg1UFN2VnUwVmxfQ2E2SWc#gid=0
Obs QT http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/YwLMP7ia2me
Mafia QT http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/QCrff5tpdcaHG

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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 11 2013 13:09 GMT
#4028
On January 11 2013 22:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
clarity i was intentionally buddying you with that jackal vote lol


I suppose. I didn't read into the first time at all but when you jumped on jackal while knowing some were interested it seems a bit risky.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 11 2013 13:10 GMT
#4029
I'm literally stunned Vivax was scum, when BC told me I was amazed. In the space of one game he seriously improved his scumplay, introducing far more of his "crazy" or "paranoid" townplay into his scum play. It's been an extremely long time since I had a scummer down as a proper townread, so wp Vivax indeed.

wp to the scumteam, watching town implode.

Sorry to the players for quitting, it was super lame. If you want to shout at me for being a douche, I'd rather you took it to PMs.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 11 2013 13:12 GMT
#4030
On January 11 2013 22:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 22:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
clarity i was intentionally buddying you with that jackal vote lol


I suppose. I didn't read into the first time at all but when you jumped on jackal while knowing some were interested it seems a bit risky.


i planned on him not actually being lynched, it was a pretty safe move with the whole palmar vs marv thing taking the spotlight
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 13:17:43
January 11 2013 13:15 GMT
#4031
Cheese should get a very long ban for admitting that he lost interest and then stopping playing. He joined another game and is active in that one, there is no excuse.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 13:15:54
January 11 2013 13:15 GMT
#4032
The whole Palmar vs marv thing was so stupid, fuck. I was shouting that they were town the whole time, but doubt took the better of me and I thought of Palmar as scum for a while, but the way he was handling it..... I thought about still trying to push his lynch even though I thought he was town just to see how people would act but didn't end up doing it.

You guys did a great job pushing debears though, made djo look townie at least.

On January 11 2013 22:15 syllogism wrote:
Cheese should get a very long ban for admitting that he lost interest and then stopped playing. He joined another game and is active in that one, there is no excuse.


Yeah seriously, fuck that.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 11 2013 13:20 GMT
#4033
On January 11 2013 22:15 syllogism wrote:
Cheese should get a very long ban for admitting that he lost interest and then stopping playing. He joined another game and is active in that one, there is no excuse.

i support this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 13:22:25
January 11 2013 13:21 GMT
#4034
From what I saw, well played by mafia; they were in a good position even without the mod kills and were all relatively active. Might have been different without players like cheese, tube, froggy, hiropro, bc making themselves ridiculously easy targets though.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 11 2013 13:25 GMT
#4035
vivax having notes on hand really helped us out too. he was nearly fucked there for a little bit
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 11 2013 13:28 GMT
#4036
On January 11 2013 22:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
The whole Palmar vs marv thing was so stupid, fuck. I was shouting that they were town the whole time, but doubt took the better of me and I thought of Palmar as scum for a while, but the way he was handling it..... I thought about still trying to push his lynch even though I thought he was town just to see how people would act but didn't end up doing it.

You guys did a great job pushing debears though, made djo look townie at least.

Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 22:15 syllogism wrote:
Cheese should get a very long ban for admitting that he lost interest and then stopped playing. He joined another game and is active in that one, there is no excuse.


Yeah seriously, fuck that.


Djo never looked townie.

Me vs marv was mostly irrelevant, it's the stupid fallout that made things bad. Mislynching on day 1 is not a big deal and should never be. So what if I tunneled a townie, I can't be right 100% of the time. And reads change, the fact that I though BC was scum on day 1 had nothing to do with whether or not I wanted to lynch him.

There is a huge difference between the person you try to kill and the one you think may be scum. There's no implications from thinking someone is scum, but trying to lynch someone is serious business. If you guys didn't notice I actually pushed very hard NOT to lynch BC because I wanted to lynch my primary read.

I actually changed my mind on marv during night 1. Which is not unusual to do. This is one of the reasons Vigilantes (which they correctly did this game) should focus on lurking players, not active ones. It'd have been terrible if someone shot marv during the night because I didn't fully back off my read.

But he ragequit, which was unfortunate, and put us even farther behind. Bugs made a good check and got us a lynch on day 2, but somehow we ended up in lylo on day 3 anyway it seems? I'm not sure why or how the game is over now.

The dayvig thing is very, very annoying, it's so much more powerful than night kills, but town had a lot of powerroles I guess.
Computer says mafia
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 11 2013 13:30 GMT
#4037
i'll try to post the skype logs but idk if I have the complete version. we didn't talk much in the scumqt
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 11 2013 13:31 GMT
#4038
Palmar, half the townies got modkilled.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 11 2013 13:32 GMT
#4039
marvellosity
01-08-2013
08:20 PM ET (US)
the game is stuck in a rut and no-one is willing or able to drag town out of it.


Accurate
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 11 2013 13:34 GMT
#4040
On January 11 2013 22:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
marvellosity
01-08-2013
08:20 PM ET (US)
the game is stuck in a rut and no-one is willing or able to drag town out of it.


Accurate


that's when I started tunneling djo

I hate playing scum. I occasionally had to say mean things (that I may or may not have actually agreed with) about people in order to justify my reads and I didn't like it at all
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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