EPTTL Mafia LVIII - Page 173
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@ thrawn So, do you want to lynch Prom or me ? Do you change your lynch candidate based on the general opinion of the thread ? | ||
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should i post them now or do you want foolishness to post them... they're not really spectacular... theyre talking about how low their motivation is :-( | ||
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Do you have other scum reads except the Cheese Cake and Hiro Pro ? Why do you think debears is town ? | ||
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On January 09 2013 17:22 supersoft wrote: lol... that was unexpected... ahm well MZ wanted to post the logs 6 hours ago... should i post them now or do you want foolishness to post them... they're not really spectacular... theyre talking about how low their motivation is :-( So do you have both logs ? I think it's better to post them now ^^ | ||
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On January 09 2013 17:26 kushm4sta wrote: the logs are 100% useless now delete them What do you mean ? | ||
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Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Im on my way to the dentist, I'll give you my logs (there aren't a lot). When I get back. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: I'm Pacific time yeah. I can conceivably be on for the next 12 hours although I've been pretty sick the past couple days so I don't really want to stay up until 4am  . I should be free in the morning of my time tomorrow. Here are my logs with foolishness, I'd rather you not post them in the thread until after we've had a chance to talk on IRC or something. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From Foolishness: It's alright. Yeah I didn't realize you changed accounts on skype lol I'm flying to Vegas today so I won't be around until nighttime unfortunately. I don't think you will get lynched anytime soon, and hopefully you won't get shot at night (there's a vigi already gone so I'm not too worried). Cheesecake is a much better case than you, and I even think there are a few others we can lynch over you (yamato, djo, Toad). And if you're actually mafia fuck you lol I'm pretty sure he's scum for a whole host of reasons. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: 1) here is the log of the convo we had + Show Spoiler + [01:30] <supersoft> yo [01:30] <supersoft> ^_^ [01:30] <supersoft> woa [01:30] <supersoft> i dont know why i am so tired [01:31] <supersoft> this is the first day i slept past 6 am [01:31] <supersoft> okay foolishness and palmar [01:31] <@Meapak_Ziphh> its cool [01:31] <@Meapak_Ziphh> foolishness is scum [01:31] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'm like 99% sure [01:32] <supersoft> mhm i havent read your convo yet [01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well it's based off of several things [01:32] <supersoft> palmar thinks foolish is town [01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> idk about Palmar [01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I've been very lazy/haven't wanted to read the thread so I keep waffling about palmar [01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but I'm very sure foolishness is scum [01:32] <supersoft> okay at least thats honest :D [01:32] <supersoft> okay why [01:33] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'm fairly sure he is halfassing this game more than I am and foolishness doesn't half ass [01:33] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if you read our convos [01:33] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he has literally no reads [01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> now I could understand this if he thought I was scum and was trying to keep things away from me [01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but foolishness is way better than me and knows he [01:34] <supersoft> yes, his Cheesycake-case is nothing [01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if he was town and actually thought I was scum he'd have made damn sure he pumped me for as much information as possible [01:34] <supersoft> everything he did was just half ass [01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> second, if he was town and thought I was town he'd have had actual reads [01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and he dodged when I tried to get him on irc [01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> now I know these are hard cold evidence [01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but I've played with him a fair bit [01:35] <supersoft> mh [01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and I just know he's off [01:35] <supersoft> and if he thinks youre scum [01:35] <supersoft> and hes town [01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> even if he thought I was scum he still would have talked to me as town [01:35] <supersoft> he probably doesnt want to die [01:36] <supersoft> might be a possibility [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like I said, he know's he's better than me, he would have pumped me for information and fed me shit reads [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I think he'd probably have fed me shit reads [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> of course that's speculation [01:36] <supersoft> mhm [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> all of this is [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but he just felt soo evasive [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and I've exchanged PMs with him before in game and it hasn't been like this' [01:36] <supersoft> yes okay [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's all I got on him [01:37] <supersoft> well we have his thread appearance [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah [01:37] <supersoft> which is pretty bad, too [01:37] <supersoft> ^_^ [01:37] <supersoft> ahm [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I masoned him figuring if he was town I [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> d [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> figure it out [01:37] <supersoft> i dont think youre scum right now [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and sheep his reads tbh [01:37] <supersoft> tbh [01:38] <supersoft> i dont think the scumteam has a mason [01:38] <@Meapak_Ziphh> thanks haha [01:38] <supersoft> lol [01:38] <supersoft> after iamp claimed one-shot mason [01:38] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well the kp doesn't work out the way the jubjubs in the thread are speculating for me to be a scum mason which is why I just decided to out myself [01:38] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'm a two shot btw so this is the last mason I have [01:39] <supersoft> i don't think they would bring a permanent-mason into the game [01:39] <supersoft> especially [01:39] <supersoft> after loosing 0.5 KP [01:39] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah [01:39] <supersoft> because a mason [01:39] <supersoft> costs them a whole Kill then [01:39] <supersoft> you know what i mean [01:39] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anything but kp roles seem pointless tbh [01:39] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but that's setup speculation [01:40] <supersoft> mh [01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway if you wanna talk Palmar I'm down [01:40] <supersoft> down? [01:40] <supersoft> youre in or not? :D [01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sorry it's colloquial [01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> something like "ready" or "willing" [01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> lo [01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> l [01:41] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway my primary concern is his burst of activity has not been followed up by anything at all [01:41] <@Meapak_Ziphh> also he apologized [01:41] <supersoft> :D [01:41] <supersoft> okay [01:41] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I've never seen him apologize for a post before ever [01:41] <supersoft> mhm yes yes [01:42] <supersoft> pfff i mean i was wrong about marv, too [01:42] <supersoft> but what the hell [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> marv just needed to die tbh [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> the thread would have never done anything with him [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> day 1 [01:42] <supersoft> you need to lynch another townie from time to time if he plays like scum [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> shitstorm of the century [01:42] <supersoft> of course [01:42] <supersoft> that modkill was perfect [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> it gave the town a glimmer of hope lol [01:42] <supersoft> he would have cost us at lest a whole day [01:43] <@Meapak_Ziphh> exactly [01:43] <supersoft> yeah that was perfect [01:43] <supersoft> :D [01:43] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and then we got jackal which was awesome although I wish bugs hadn't outed himself [01:43] <supersoft> lol wbg looked so scummy [01:43] <supersoft> as scum, i would have been extremely suspicious of him [01:44] <@Meapak_Ziphh> when he's not calling people bad something is up lol [01:44] <supersoft> wbg was so strange [01:44] <supersoft> :D [01:44] <@Meapak_Ziphh> what's the story with this CC lynch train? [01:44] <supersoft> obviously blue if not scum [01:44] <supersoft> well [01:44] <supersoft> CC-lynchtrain [01:44] <supersoft> Foolish and Palmar both are behind it [01:44] <supersoft> ahm [01:44] <supersoft> i am not sure [01:44] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I can barely differentiate him from the rest of the newer players who don't post a lot [01:45] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I was trying to figure out what made him different [01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> oh one last thing that made me suspect foolishness, his reads are really strange. I mean mine aren't always great (read rarely) but he's suspicious of chez [01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> chec is pretty clearly town in my mind [01:46] <supersoft> chezinu? [01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah [01:46] <supersoft> or cheesecake [01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> chezinu [01:46] <supersoft> yeah i dont read his posts [01:46] <supersoft> they dont give me anything [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> chez scum looks a little different than this [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and foolishness should know this [01:47] <supersoft> i dont really understand what he's saying [01:47] <supersoft> okay [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I don't either [01:47] <supersoft> i played with chez 1 or 2 times [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but if you want a comparison read pyp interesting I think [01:47] <supersoft> and i always completely ignored him and hoped he's town [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> or maybe it was another pyp game [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> good policy lol [01:48] <@Meapak_Ziphh> you leaning town or scum on debears? [01:48] <supersoft> my english is not good enough to judge this player [01:48] <@Meapak_Ziphh> lol neither is mine and it's my native language [01:48] <supersoft> okay [01:48] <supersoft> you see [01:48] <supersoft> :D [01:49] <@Meapak_Ziphh> its more of a feel than anything else [01:49] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hard to describe [01:49] <supersoft> reading chez doesnt make sense [01:49] <supersoft> yes okay wait [01:49] <supersoft> back to cheesecake [01:49] <supersoft> and the new players [01:49] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah sorry [01:50] <supersoft> i layed my focus on the players i know so far [01:50] <supersoft> = [01:50] <supersoft> 5. Meapak_Ziphh 14. VisceraEyes 16. wherebugsgo 17. Palmar 19. Foolishness 23. Jackal58 27. BloodyC0bbler 21. supersoft 6. marvellosity 7. Toadesstern [01:50] <supersoft> but since there are so many of the dead [01:50] <supersoft> :D [01:50] <supersoft> i looked into some of the newer players, [01:51] <supersoft> but i am not finished yet [01:51] <supersoft> they look so similar [01:51] <supersoft> all of them [01:51] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's been the hard part of this game for me [01:51] <supersoft> they're agressive and post huge cases [01:51] <supersoft> at points of the game [01:51] <@Meapak_Ziphh> first the spam of d1, then the similarities [01:51] <supersoft> where they're actually meaningless [01:52] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I mean look, I don't pretend to be fantastic at this game at all but it really irks me that a lot of these people actually have no idea how to play [01:52] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like it makes this game so frustrating [01:52] <supersoft> yeah [01:52] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I partially blame the newbie games since newer players never get a chance to see how it should actually work [01:53] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway I'm ranting, I'm just unhappy because this game has made me realize I won't be playing mafia again or at least until the meta changes [01:53] <supersoft> if i remember back to bureaucracy mafia, where marv or risk.nuke were like the worst players in the game [01:53] <supersoft> that was easy to read [01:53] <supersoft> this is just painful :D [01:53] <supersoft> but we'll get it [01:54] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hopefully [01:54] <supersoft> yeah sure [01:54] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway let's play the "kill one player" game [01:54] <supersoft> uh [01:54] <supersoft> how does that work [01:54] <supersoft> :-o [01:54] <@Meapak_Ziphh> just pick 1 person you'd kill if you could [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'd personally kill hopeless [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he only ever shows up when he gets attacked [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and his cases have been really bad [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he's probably my n1 scum read atm [01:55] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=286069¤tpage=All [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> 1 page filter [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> impressive [01:55] <supersoft> easiest target in game [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's actually a little pathetic lol [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> how can you be that bad [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I shouldn't be harsh, my filter probably isn't much longer [01:56] <supersoft> i dont know [01:56] <supersoft> it's like sinani [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but with a filter like that I understand where the wagon comes from [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> rofl sinani [01:57] <supersoft> #2 VE [01:57] <@Meapak_Ziphh> you sure? [01:57] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I could link you a game where I tunneled VE d1 for very similar play [01:57] <@Meapak_Ziphh> one sec [01:58] <supersoft> mh [01:58] <supersoft> you realize that he stoped playing that game at all and keepy whining [01:58] <supersoft> it's embarassing [01:59] <@Meapak_Ziphh> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=72#1426 [01:59] <@Meapak_Ziphh> here's what I was thinking of [01:59] <supersoft> Because I'm bad at the game. *shrug* [02:00] <@Meapak_Ziphh> you could be right about him, its just ever since that game I've been vary wary of going after him for being dumb [02:00] <supersoft> okay he was vig back then [02:01] <@Meapak_Ziphh> oh just remembered bang bang 2 [02:01] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if you want proof I'm not scum this game [02:01] <supersoft> :D [02:01] <@Meapak_Ziphh> just go back and read that game haha [02:02] <supersoft> i have my mason proof that should be enough :D [02:02] <@Meapak_Ziphh> idk if I can find any other examples of me killing VE [02:02] <supersoft> but yeah [02:02] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I just went through kita's thread [02:02] <@Meapak_Ziphh> damn that thing is useful [02:02] <supersoft> yes indeed [02:04] <supersoft> mhh [02:04] <supersoft> hopelessder [02:05] <supersoft> what do you find scummy about him [02:05] <supersoft> especially [02:05] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if my memory serves he really only comes into the thread to defend himself [02:06] <@Meapak_Ziphh> at least people like lazormonkey and iamperfection post regularly [02:06] <@Meapak_Ziphh> kushmasta or w/e could also die for the same reason [02:07] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725¤tpage=All [02:07] <supersoft> thats hopeless [02:07] <supersoft> he says some reasonable things [02:07] <supersoft> i dont know [02:08] <supersoft> he thinks wbg is scummy [02:08] <supersoft> after wbg attacked him [02:08] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I was literally just going to point that out [02:08] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but I mean [02:08] <supersoft> this omgus is more a towntell than a scumtell [02:08] <@Meapak_Ziphh> the second half of his filter is all defending himself [02:08] <supersoft> my opinion [02:08] <supersoft> yes and he stoped playing d2 [02:09] <supersoft> slightly scummy [02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> just realized that [02:09] <supersoft> he posts that he doesnt think that BC and or marv are good lynches d1 [02:09] <supersoft> however he votes BC [02:09] <supersoft> ir did he [02:09] <supersoft> w8 a sec [02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> also this is an easy position if you're scu [02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> m [02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> since they were both town [02:09] <supersoft> yes yes [02:10] <supersoft> thats really scummy [02:10] <supersoft> looks like he knows they're town [02:10] <supersoft> and his scumteam is superhappy [02:10] <supersoft> -> he knows that these lynches suck [02:10] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hardest part of being scum is accusing people you know are town haha [02:11] <supersoft> ^_^ [02:11] <@Meapak_Ziphh> balance wise I'd figure one of foolishness/palmar/toad has to be scum [02:11] <supersoft> you know i was scum only one time [02:11] <supersoft> :D [02:11] <@Meapak_Ziphh> they already had one vet in jackal [02:11] <supersoft> ,y second game or so [02:11] <@Meapak_Ziphh> Ive been scum like three times and hated it [02:11] <supersoft> i have no idea [02:12] <supersoft> i think it would be funny to play as scum [02:12] <supersoft> but i don't know how it turns out to be [02:12] <@Meapak_Ziphh> eh I just dislike it, I don't like having to make up a story and keep it straight [02:13] <supersoft> mh i don't know [02:13] <supersoft> i change my position really really often as town [02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well I think it's fine to change position, it's just much easier as town because it's like "yo I was shown new information, of course I changed" [02:14] <supersoft> d4++ i have my lists [02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> whereas scum have to justify it [02:14] <supersoft> but until then [02:14] <supersoft> ^_^ [02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> froggnoddy, vivax, clarity, sentinal [02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> one or more of them could be scum [02:14] <supersoft> not clarity [02:14] <supersoft> vivax is boldgreen on palmars list [02:14] <supersoft> i am suspicious of him [02:15] <supersoft> because of d1 things [02:15] <supersoft> i didn't check him yet again [02:15] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if palmar was scum it'd sure be like him just to balls out put a teammate in green on a spreadsheet [02:15] <supersoft> mhm i am starting to change my position on palmar :-/ [02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> maybe I missed it but imperfection is a one shot mason right> [02:16] <supersoft> however i had a really strong townread on him [02:16] <supersoft> really [02:16] <supersoft> yes [02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> ok [02:16] <supersoft> iamp is one-shot mason [02:16] <supersoft> and took a hit [02:16] <supersoft> n1 [02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he's town I guess, his role is close enough to mine [02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah [02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I guess I'll buy that [02:16] <supersoft> wait [02:16] <supersoft> close enough? [02:16] <supersoft> how is that a reason ^_^ [02:17] <@Meapak_Ziphh> it says in the OP that roles can have varying number of uses [02:17] <@Meapak_Ziphh> only reason I think that's there is because some roles vary in the number of uses it can have [02:17] <@Meapak_Ziphh> what I'm saying is I believe him despite his role not being identical to mine [02:18] <supersoft> aha okay [02:18] <supersoft> ^_^ [02:18] <supersoft> oh shit [02:18] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hmm? [02:18] <supersoft> i got to go to university [02:19] <supersoft> ahm [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> oh alright [02:19] <supersoft> are you around [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well its 2am for me and I'm still sick haha [02:19] <supersoft> shortly before deadline? [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> should be [02:19] <supersoft> perfect [02:19] <supersoft> okay [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> wait [02:19] <supersoft> mh? [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> no [02:19] <supersoft> :-o [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> fuck I need to find out what time it is [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sex [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sec [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> lol [02:21] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sorry i trying to figure out the time [02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well I really doubt you're gonna die tonight [02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and there's no way I'll die [02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> we're masoned for the day cycle as well [02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> we should still be able to talk [02:23] <supersoft> yes i hope so [02:23] <supersoft> you never know [02:23] <supersoft> but yeah, i am not very concerned, too [02:23] <supersoft> cu^_^ [02:23] <@Meapak_Ziphh> alright have a nice day [02:24] <supersoft> u2 Second, I won't be around for the day post, that'll be around 2pm for me and I'll be out (I'm on pacific time) and the earliest I'll be back will be 3 hours later (so somewhere around 10 KST, idk what time that is for you). Last message i receaved a couple of ours ago while I was asleep: Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: RebirthofLegend just messaged me on skype because he thought foolishness and I were still masoned, apparently he's replacing foolishness because foolish doesn't have enough time. This makes me think that foolishness might actually not have enough time to play and isn't just trying to fake it as scum (I'm sorta friends outside of mafia with them so I just gut believe this, maybe I'm wrong). In that case, I think you and I should try and kill Palmar today, I'm getting more and more certain the less active he is. Also if we assume that foolishness is actually town it means his read on Toad could be real, since Toad has been afk along with Palmar this is actually a plausible setup. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On January 09 2013 17:19 Djodref wrote: @ thrawn So, do you want to lynch Prom or me ? Do you change your lynch candidate based on the general opinion of the thread ? @ djo ....idk. I thought my case was really good at the time but everyone ignored it and attacked the only other person calling you scum (debears) all at the same time which REALLY made me think I was on to something. I looked at your case on debears and while I didn't really agree with it I didn't find anything in the case that further confirms my read. So my overall read on you is less certain than it was say, during the night phase. all that being said I still want to lynch you but i can't for the life of me get anyone to talk about the djo case so idk where my vote's gonna end up at the moment | ||
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supersoft
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On January 08 2013 08:53 supersoft wrote: impression so far: he'll have a bad time if he hasn't brushed his teeths... i am sad noone is getting my dentist-joke... :-( | ||
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yamato77
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I'm "one of his suspects". I was in Hus last scum game, Parallel, too. He's not that bad to forget my meta in one game. Also, whining about new players. You guys are pathetic. | ||
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kushm4sta
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On January 09 2013 17:50 yamato77 wrote: The only thing I got from those logs is that Foolish is likely scum. I'm "one of his suspects". I was in Hus last scum game, Parallel, too. He's not that bad to forget my meta in one game. Also, whining about new players. You guys are pathetic. makes no sense. What about your meta makes you town this game? he didn't even really say why he thought you were scummy... so how can you think him thinking that makes him scum when you don't even know why | ||
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yamato77
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On January 09 2013 17:56 kushm4sta wrote: makes no sense. What about your meta makes you town this game? he didn't even really say why he thought you were scummy... so how can you think him thinking that makes him scum when you don't even know why I'm town in both games. It's not hard to see the similarities. Foolishness is not a bad player. The fact that he gives no reasoning is another point against him. I'm just a name he's putting out there to agree with MZ on. If he's actually getting replaced we'll see what the new guy does. | ||
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