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On January 09 2013 12:10 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 12:08 iamperfection wrote:On January 09 2013 11:49 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:On January 09 2013 11:34 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 11:33 iamperfection wrote:On January 09 2013 11:32 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 11:30 Promethelax wrote:On January 09 2013 11:27 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 11:17 Promethelax wrote:
weee, I'm blates town you guys.
Don't really care what Kush thinks since he is dumb as fuck and has no idea how to read anyone but I thought better of you Thrawn.
I wish Keir was still in this game, at least he knows and understands my meta. Your meta cases are bad. You are bad. Stop being bad. Prom what about this: I don't think you give a shit about figuring this game out at all. Your scum reads are lazy. I am allowed to be lazy because I'm town but you're nowhere near as townie as me and you're being lazy which means you're scum. Hi, I like being scum more than being town. I have never played a lazy game of mafia in my life. You are trying to tunnel me and call me scum after sheeping me and saying you would sheep me and I still have a town read on you because you are actually this terrible. Do you understand why I might be being lazy? There are a huge number of players in this game who are doing either nothing or nothing with any intelligent thought in it. I have two pretty clear scum reads. I plan on getting them lynched. I don't particularly care if you think I am scum so long as you'll vote for scum with me. See I agree with all of this because that's how I feel at the moment but that doesn't make you town necessarily. The difference is, no one is trying to get me lynched. They are trying to get you lynched though which means you should be trying harder than me right now to find scum. lol What's funny? you Please do explain. I'm not pushing his lynch I just want to interact with him a bit to see what he thinks. you said prom should have to try harder than you and thats bs. I mainly just want to see him react to me calling him scum and compare that to YANMM.
what's the point of that if you're telling him that's what you're doing...
what are your reads/comparisons to yanmm so far?
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On January 09 2013 12:10 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 12:08 iamperfection wrote:On January 09 2013 11:49 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:On January 09 2013 11:34 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 11:33 iamperfection wrote:On January 09 2013 11:32 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 11:30 Promethelax wrote:On January 09 2013 11:27 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 11:17 Promethelax wrote:
weee, I'm blates town you guys.
Don't really care what Kush thinks since he is dumb as fuck and has no idea how to read anyone but I thought better of you Thrawn.
I wish Keir was still in this game, at least he knows and understands my meta. Your meta cases are bad. You are bad. Stop being bad. Prom what about this: I don't think you give a shit about figuring this game out at all. Your scum reads are lazy. I am allowed to be lazy because I'm town but you're nowhere near as townie as me and you're being lazy which means you're scum. Hi, I like being scum more than being town. I have never played a lazy game of mafia in my life. You are trying to tunnel me and call me scum after sheeping me and saying you would sheep me and I still have a town read on you because you are actually this terrible. Do you understand why I might be being lazy? There are a huge number of players in this game who are doing either nothing or nothing with any intelligent thought in it. I have two pretty clear scum reads. I plan on getting them lynched. I don't particularly care if you think I am scum so long as you'll vote for scum with me. See I agree with all of this because that's how I feel at the moment but that doesn't make you town necessarily. The difference is, no one is trying to get me lynched. They are trying to get you lynched though which means you should be trying harder than me right now to find scum. lol What's funny? you Please do explain. I'm not pushing his lynch I just want to interact with him a bit to see what he thinks. you said prom should have to try harder than you and thats bs. I mainly just want to see him react to me calling him scum and compare that to YANMM.
You probably should have called him scum then, instead of beating around the bush. 
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On January 09 2013 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 12:10 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 12:08 iamperfection wrote:On January 09 2013 11:49 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:On January 09 2013 11:34 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 11:33 iamperfection wrote:On January 09 2013 11:32 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 11:30 Promethelax wrote:On January 09 2013 11:27 yamato77 wrote:
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Prom what about this:
I don't think you give a shit about figuring this game out at all.
Your scum reads are lazy. I am allowed to be lazy because I'm town but you're nowhere near as townie as me and you're being lazy which means you're scum. Hi, I like being scum more than being town. I have never played a lazy game of mafia in my life. You are trying to tunnel me and call me scum after sheeping me and saying you would sheep me and I still have a town read on you because you are actually this terrible. Do you understand why I might be being lazy? There are a huge number of players in this game who are doing either nothing or nothing with any intelligent thought in it. I have two pretty clear scum reads. I plan on getting them lynched. I don't particularly care if you think I am scum so long as you'll vote for scum with me. See I agree with all of this because that's how I feel at the moment but that doesn't make you town necessarily. The difference is, no one is trying to get me lynched. They are trying to get you lynched though which means you should be trying harder than me right now to find scum. lol What's funny? you Please do explain. I'm not pushing his lynch I just want to interact with him a bit to see what he thinks. you said prom should have to try harder than you and thats bs. I mainly just want to see him react to me calling him scum and compare that to YANMM. what's the point of that if you're telling him that's what you're doing... what are your reads/comparisons to yanmm so far?
He's already given me his reaction, the play is done.
Again, the reaction is different. His play seems less... I don't know, less curious, I suppose. He's taking hard stances in this game where he didn't as town in YANMM. Give me more time and I'll make a better comparison.
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Also VE you are totes town. I don't know why I was ever suspicious.
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Wait, Thrawn, you have a town read of CC from his filter? I don't understand. You found a guy who gave up early and for no reason who has clearly not cared about finding scum or about town or about anything and you read that as town? Explain.
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Thanks pal...I think you're likely town too.
So I've been thinking...iamp: scum instead of MZ? What do you think?
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On January 09 2013 12:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Thanks pal...I think you're likely town too.
So I've been thinking...iamp: scum instead of MZ? What do you think?
really
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Debears
the OMGUS way
Here are the main reasons why debears is scum
- Fake contributions
- Doesn't really care about who is going to get lynched
- Discrediting everyone attacking him
- Going for the easy targets, then backing off
Part I --- Fake contributions
First of all, please remember debears idea of a random lynch. Did he push this idea ? Not really...
Did he really think it through ? No, because he came up with statistics supporting a random lynch, when they are actually against a random lynch in our case.
On January 03 2013 14:13 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 14:10 Adam4167 wrote:On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote:On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Merry Christmas TL Mafia!
Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics.
Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help!
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time.
44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game.
There have been 931 distinct mafia players. Care to elaborate on what you're trying to imply here? Should be pretty clear. Random lynching is more successful than actual trying to lynch a scum by scumreads d1. You can't diss random lynching
On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
*snip*
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time.
44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game.
There have been 931 distinct mafia players.
If debears was really thinking at a random lynch for our game, he would have noticed that our chances to hit mafia with a random lynch were at 20%, which is even less that the global average of 21.1%. The fact that he didn't really pay attention to what he was proposing and that he didn't follow it through at all shows that he didn't want to do a random lynch in the first place. This contribution is totally fake, just a nice way to enter the thread for a scum player.
Another example is here. Debears put up an act with Chezinu and made several posts of jokes and stuff about it.
In here, you can see that he quickly identified Palmar and iamp as masons. Maybe a little too quickly for a town player in my taste.
On January 04 2013 08:32 debears wrote:
Btw Iamp what are you guys calling your society?
Is it still the Circle of Superfriends?
I will talk over joining you with the rest of The Brown Brotherhood
The best example of debears fake contribution is the following post.
On January 06 2013 03:47 debears wrote:Guys, with the thread as shitty as it is right now, I would like to propose a plan: Everyone, shut up, and do voting analysis with the info on the marv and BC flips. Let's make night all about voting analysis, and get on track Show nested quote +
BloodyC0bbler (13)
marvellosity
Clarity_nl
Hopeless1der
HiroPro
froggynoddy
[UoN]Sentinel
iamperfection
thrawn2112
VisceraEyes
Djodref
Promethelax
Keirathi
Lazermonkey
Marvellosity (12)
Palmar
supersoft
kushm4sta
Toadesstern
debears
Mr. Cheesecake
tube
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu
yamato77
Foolishness
grush57
hopeless1der (1)
wherebugsgo
Palmar (1)
BloodyC0bbler
tube(1)
Vivax
wherebugsgo (1)
Jackal58
Haven't yet voted (1)
Eywa-
Day ends in 15 minutes.
What do we know about the day 1 lynch candidates? They were both town. It is way more likely scum didn't give a fuck where their votes were. We need to look for people who didn't really give a shit where their votes were, especially concerning BC and marv
Did he follow up with that post ? No. For example, he never mentions the fact that Vivax vote was on tube on D1 when he calls Vivax scum. That's why I think it was a fake contribution again.
An other thing that I don't like here is that debears vote on marv was pretty sheepy and scummy. I would mean that his post points towards a hole in his play. Maybe he was expecting us to fall into his WIFOM trap at this point.
Another fake contribution is this one. This was utterly useless, while allowing him to discredit iamp, when iamp, on top of looking like his town self, is almost confirmed town.
On January 07 2013 04:35 debears wrote:
Hey guys I want to point something out about Iamp that I'm not liking right now
1) He claimed mason
2) The scum know that day vigs are unblockable
3) the scum for some reason felt the need to nk iamp, even though he's a mason who already used his power with palmar. All scum would have to do is wait til right after the nightpost to shoot him with an unblockable day vig instead of risking being blocked
4) We had 2 cops flip d1, including a role cop. the mafia were at a much lesser risk of being caught with their dayvigs with those flips
5) They didn't nk anyone else, yet had day vigs for 2 others.
I'd say if Iamp makes it to lylo, you guys had better lynch the sucker. The mafia's choice to nk instead of dayvig would make no sense if true.
However, I don't want to lynch Iamp because of the case that he could possibly be the mason and use his shot sometime
I let you be judge of why town debears would post this.
Part II --- Doesn't care who is going to get lynched
So, debears has been tunneling Tunkeg all day 1 and has been shut down by marv and WBG. Which means that he somehow trusts their judgment. But then
On January 05 2013 02:31 debears wrote:
##votr marv
Follow palmar the wise
Hide in plain sight. Following Palmar, regardless of Palmar alignment, was a perfect excuse for scum to try to get marv mislynched, which they should have dreamed of since they received their role PM.
I don't like how he dropped his vote on Cheese today as well.
On January 09 2013 07:49 debears wrote:
##Vote CC
That's all his contributions for today.
Part III --- Discrediting everyone attacking him
So far, I have town reads on Vivax and Lazermonkey. I'm quite confident in these reads, because both of them seem genuinely involved, trying to figuring stuff out, and taking care of this game more than a lot of people.
So, I'm very surprised that town debears don't share these reads. I mean, Vivax case had some bad points, but some points were good as well. He could have addressed the case without the OMGUS.
It is worth of noting that he didn't provide as case, nor interacted with them so much before calling them scum. Debears had nothing to do with Vivax before that, and it's even more flagrant with LM. The accusation is coming out of nowhere.
On January 08 2013 07:41 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 05:18 Lazermonkey wrote:Vivax is sooo town in my book now. The case itself seems good and I am willing to sheep it tomrrow foh sho. Also, I have a hard time to see scum backing off and admitting that one of the points in the case was flawed the way Vivax did here. On January 08 2013 01:02 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2013 00:57 iamperfection wrote:
Why do you think point 3 is scummy? Thinking about it, you're right, it's actually more in the WIFOM category since we can't tell if intended or not, but I see it as belonging to the category of posts he's been making about votes, setup, policy. Fluff, that'd be, it fits so well in there it caught my attention. Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 07:03 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 08 2013 06:39 debears wrote:
Laser read the big wall of text I wrote and show me how he is reasonable
Taking quotes out of context and misrepresenting someone with them is more likely scum than town, since if you assume they are town, you assume that person is just flat fucking bad There are bad parts of the case. But you basically haven't been scum hunting much at all. You don't really push your suspects hard. You seemed very uninterested in the lynch, which evev according to yourself is a scum trait. You are scum
Part IV --- Going for the easy targets then backing off
From Hero Mini Mafia, debears should have known that Tunkeg, when town, is an easy mislynch. I'm quite surprised he chose Tunkeg for his tunnel, while knowing that.
More surprising is how he let himself shut down but WBG and marv.
Even more surprising is how he doesn't care about Prome anymore. Since Tunkeg has been replaced, debears doesn't put any pressure at all on Prom. Yet his suspicions are still here.
And he should know that giving replacements some leeway is not necessarily good, because it has for example allowed me to survive for too long in Mario Mini Mafia.
On January 08 2013 06:36 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:32 Djodref wrote:On January 08 2013 06:27 debears wrote:
Djo
The strongest part of your Hiro case is the fact that he hasn't contributed. The rest is eh and can be done by town or mafia
However, his recent list of reads is intriguing @ debearsWhy did you sheep Palmar's case on marv over your case on Tunkeg D1 ? What do you think of Prom right now ? I was shut down hard by multiple vets including marv and WBG. Marv's reaction to my case on Tunkeg was not what I expected of town Marv either. Palmar's thoughts reflected those of my own Prom is more active than Tun, but he hasn't done much. I'd rather keep him alive for now and see what he does
Here is what he thinks about Prom right now, so I don't see why he wouldn't be after him today, even yesterday.
Another easy target to go after was me, because of my low activity at the beginning.
Please notice how debears comes after me with an discrediting post to back up quite quickly when I start to be more active.
On January 07 2013 05:11 debears wrote:Hey Iamp. What do you think of Djodref? I have noticed a few things that are alarming 1) His indifference to taking the helm in this game. His activity is much greater in his town games. 2) His weak reasoning for voting BC. He hides it among all the other stuff in this post, and says that the quoted post "serves mafia interest" without explaining Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote:I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself  + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck?
Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day.
People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion.
##vote palmar
I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC 3) He never pushes BC after that 4) He brings up others, yet no real reasoning Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote:I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore.
Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post On January 05 2013 20:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Agreed. I'm sitting the night out. I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to.
And then
On January 07 2013 09:42 debears wrote:
Ok. List of people I want to lynch in order of importance after Jackal
CC
Djo
Hiro/Miscellaneous
to change it into
On January 08 2013 06:41 debears wrote:
List of people that should be lynched, in order of importance after Jackal
1) CC
2) MZ
3) Hiro
4) Vivax/Laser
6) Palmar
Let's lynch debears today !
##Vote debears
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What? Got something to fear from a little discussion iamp? Does your play not totally paint you as town?
I'm just spitballin here...your post about scum shooting you AND medicing you was outright ridiculous and completely out of place.
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On January 09 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
What? Got something to fear from a little discussion iamp? Does your play not totally paint you as town?
I'm just spitballin here...your post about scum shooting you AND medicing you was outright ridiculous and completely out of place.
i dont think you have put enough thought into it then if you could have 3 day vigs why wouldnt you do that after a few cops going down?
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and haven't i like put the fucking spotlight on me like all game while hunting and pushing cases.
Prom is right this game is full of retards
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In your theory you and MZ are both town...you realize this right? That both you and MZ are town masons in your theory. Have YOU considered THAT?
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On January 09 2013 12:20 Promethelax wrote:
Wait, Thrawn, you have a town read of CC from his filter? I don't understand. You found a guy who gave up early and for no reason who has clearly not cared about finding scum or about town or about anything and you read that as town? Explain.
not really, i just think the lynch is dumb. there's basically nothing in his filter to make a read off of except that his manner in this game fits with my past impression of how he can sometimes act as town... so basically a coinflip lynch that I could easily see flipping town
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On January 09 2013 12:24 iamperfection wrote:
and haven't i like put the fucking spotlight on me like all game while hunting and pushing cases.
Prom is right this game is full of retards
Seriously, one more fucking comment like this, and I'm done with this game.
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On January 09 2013 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
In your theory you and MZ are both town...you realize this right? That both you and MZ are town masons in your theory. Have YOU considered THAT?
dont think i ever said that
still no logs remember.
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But in your theory, scum wouldn't have the KP to make MZ a mason. By the KP alone, it wouldn't be possible.
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On January 09 2013 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
But in your theory, scum wouldn't have the KP to make MZ a mason. By the KP alone, it wouldn't be possible.
not if he was lying about the logs and he in fact wasnt a mason night 1
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On January 09 2013 12:27 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
But in your theory, scum wouldn't have the KP to make MZ a mason. By the KP alone, it wouldn't be possible. not if he was lying about the logs and he in fact wasnt a mason night 1
This is a fair point, and is part of the reason I'm adamant about getting ahold of some logs from our Foolish friend.
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See Imp. I know what I'm talking about.
VE: KISYFM (Keep it simple you fucking moron. )+ Show Spoiler +okay, I'm kidding. VE is not a moron but still, KISS
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i dont even know why im doing this with you ve if you think im scum make a case on me + Show Spoiler +
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