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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 22:39 GMT
#2021
On January 05 2013 07:35 Foolishness wrote:
<3

I don't know if Hopeless is bored or mafia yet.

The Brown One seems out of character this game. For example:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 05:10 Chezinu wrote:
ooc:

Guys,

I would like to apologize for being one of the first to be suspicious of marv yet being the last to vote. I know its scummy. But it had to be done.

PS: You guys remember that time when town started a last minute bandwagon and hopped twice? that was awesome.

wtf is this post?


Did you read this?

On January 04 2013 23:11 Chezinu wrote:
Oh wow, I'm shock. You guys are so amazing. I put like no effort in trying to be understood by people, yet you guys still understand me. I thought it was just BC that understood me. Now, Palmar... I am also surprised that you, Palmar, are focusing on similar suspects as me. Maybe this telepathy things isn't totally nonsense... or rather the mafia are being read too easily. I was suspecting marv of being mafia earlier. Remember that 3 name list. The first two names represented the arguments between y-man and thraw. As BC correctly deciphered, I am suspicious of thraw as imaperfection correctly mentions in the log due to the Chezinu Rule. I included marv on the list because I was suspicious of him. Yet, I didn't want to be bias. As most people like to assume marv is typically town. I think I'm bias in wanting to assume he is scum. I wanted to give time for this. If you are wondering why I'm not taking in code, it is because most of my hidden thoughts were seen through. PS: How did you know I thought you were town Palmar? I don't remember typing that... but then again, I just type my thoughts randomly. I also like you Palmar cause you don't read the OP either! I haven't read it yet this game. wait... it seems the tradition of talking about the setup has died. I never participated in it, but that is usually when I spent my time reading the rules. Because talking about seemed lamed, unless of course you fake claim and act all chezinu... hehe. Your usual policy lynch surprisingly obtained alot of attention this game. It seems like I'm playing on two different levels this game. One level with fun and humor with reading the vet like you and BC. And the other... wait actually I'm not catering at all to the new players.. I wonder if they even understand me.. lol! Now, I will have to hide some more messages and see if you guys can rise to the challenge. Oh! I will play my usual redherrings along the way to make my posts appear as trash. But you should know by now which ones are real and which are not. Btw, I'm speaking English! I'm not Encrypting anything! right? Assuming there is a rule against that...hmmm I guess I'll read the rules now! I will provide a hint to the new guys about knowing which posts are real. Usually the ones that are one sentence jokes or the ones that come in pairs of threes are nonsense.. How one comes in pairs of three... that is the riddle you must solve perhaps I used the word pair just for fun and it just means three... Cause that would just imply that I'm simply bored and just posting random posts for attention so that I have someone to talk to cause its late at night and I live in darkness with little to no contact... or rather I was just bored and wanted something to talk about to simulate the mind. Perhaps it is my Chezinu way of letting everyone in the thread know that I have read the thread without actually having or wanting so say anything of importance. Its like I'm there saying I'm am here willing to troll with you or answer your questions as long as I like them. so, good luck reading me. As you guys have been very impressive this game, I'm sure you can figure it out. [image loading]


I don't know if there's anything to read into it, tbh. Enlighten me.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 04 2013 22:39 GMT
#2022
If you say so.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 22:39 GMT
#2023
I do, however, agree with you that I found it strange when he purposely went out of character.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 04 2013 22:40 GMT
#2024
I'm going to bed now. Need to think. See you tomorrow...
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 04 2013 22:44 GMT
#2025
It's not that big post he (Chezinu) has that bothers me. It's the one I quoted and a few others. It's like he wants people to think he's useful, where before he would be his normal Brown self and didn't care what people said.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 04 2013 22:47 GMT
#2026
Do the moments of lucidity coincide with anything significant? Bandwagon changes, specific players appearing in the thread, etc...
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 22:54 GMT
#2027
yeah they do, he found a need to justify his vote on marv.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 04 2013 22:54 GMT
#2028
On January 05 2013 07:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Do the moments of lucidity coincide with anything significant? Bandwagon changes, specific players appearing in the thread, etc...

No. That doesn't matter right now.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 04 2013 22:55 GMT
#2029
oh god what happened.
I feel really sick right now and i was sleeping. Can someone shoot marv tonight?, please?
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 04 2013 22:55 GMT
#2030
On January 05 2013 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
yeah they do, he found a need to justify his vote on marv.

He even said it himself that he was one of the first people on marvellosity.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 04 2013 22:56 GMT
#2031
On January 05 2013 07:55 supersoft wrote:
oh god what happened.
I feel really sick right now and i was sleeping. Can someone shoot marv tonight?, please?

*facepalm*
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 22:56 GMT
#2032
On January 05 2013 07:55 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
yeah they do, he found a need to justify his vote on marv.

He even said it himself that he was one of the first people on marvellosity.


do you think marv is scum?

marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 04 2013 22:56 GMT
#2033
Meapak the Opportunist

I said it like 5 minutes before deadline, but my memory of Bang Bang Mafia is Meapak toying with my emotions over gonzaw, who I thought was scum but was actually town.

Meapak's play this game has been marked with opportunism. He jumped from side to side with the me vs Palmar thing, thusly:

Palmar is town!

On January 03 2013 07:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
This just in, palmar most likely town.

More in a few hours when I get home.


On January 03 2013 12:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 12:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
This just in, palmar most likely town.

More in a few hours when I get home.

What happened to this?

nothing, I'm willing to kill tunkeg, that's more. Palmar still town although supersoft is right that I maybe shouldn't have pointed it out. In my defense, if I was scum I could have just told my teammates and let the thread fight it out.


answer me on palmar, marv:

On January 04 2013 05:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Hey marv, I read your filter and your posting is literally as content free as mine has been thus far. I'm not even joking, if you don't believe me reread his filter. Marv I want at least one mediocre post from you where you actually explain why Palmar needs to die.

Mediocre marv, I'm not asking for a lot here.

I have to go pick my sister up, I'll be back in like 45 minutes.


On January 04 2013 06:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So many massive epeenz over compensating lol.

Marv answer me.


On January 04 2013 08:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 07:45 marvellosity wrote:
On January 04 2013 07:44 iamperfection wrote:
good

anyways i disagree ve i think has toad has been overall active and has commented on a lot of the comings and goings of the thread. He is not a good lynch


toad has commented on almost nothing of value.

Look at the pot and the kettle. Pull your head out and answer my earlier question. And no, "read my filter" is not a suitable response.


So he calls Palmar town straight off the bat, when Palmar had already been trolling, ya. The best bit is that he is suspicious of me first and foremost, trying to prod me or something. So Palmar town, marvellosity bad, nice.

Anyways, a few votes start going on Palmar, led by me, Toad, etc. Palmar is playing exactly the same as before, and yet...

Palmar is scum! :o

On January 04 2013 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hey guys wanna just kill palmar for claiming scum?

I mean I was fine with him up until this page but since he's so adamant that he's scum then let's just help him to exit the game at the earliest opportunity.


On January 04 2013 10:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 10:38 supersoft wrote:
On January 04 2013 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hey guys wanna just kill palmar for claiming scum?

I mean I was fine with him up until this page but since he's so adamant that he's scum then let's just help him to exit the game at the earliest opportunity.


This second sentence doesnt say you now think he's scum right?

Yeah. It looks like he's trying a "hide in plain sight" sort of thing. I thought in the beginning he was doing his usual trolling to get discussion started (there's actually a game where he describes exactly what he does as town I just forget which one). Basically it goes something along the lines of propose something so stupid it's just begging for people to jump on it for free town cred and then tear the ones apart who use that as a crutch to look protown. That's what I assumed he was trying here but now I'm thinking he's just acting as scummy as possible on the assumption that everyone will just assume he's trolling and ignore him. There is zero reason for town to do that so occam's razor says if Palmar says he's scum, he's scum.


On January 04 2013 19:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 19:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 04 2013 18:28 Palmar wrote:
On January 04 2013 17:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 04 2013 17:37 Palmar wrote:
I don't really think Cheesecake is the most productive lynch today. It is a good lynch but I have other ideas. I will elaborate later.


logs, bitch


No, a great town player once told me that keeping my reads private is apparently good town play, so let's do that.


cool, you're dying then.

Listen guys, Palmar has no logs. He's scum.

I'm down with this happening.

A huge focus in the beginning should be about demonstrating your innocence and Palmar is flat out not doing that, if he wants to trollishly call himself scum I'd have let him get away with that assuming that he was planning on making something useful out of the discussion he started with his "lynch wbg" nonsense. Since he's declined to do that and instead continued to troll I'm ready to get rid of him.


Now the thing is, having thought I was scummy, that I had a contentless filter, that I was useless, basically I was just a complete baddie, now he fully agrees with me on Palmar, making this post AFTER I make my quite good post about my IRC chats with Palmar. So he's gone from marv scumread Palmar townread to marv townread Palmar scumread even though nothing much has happened. Well, what has happened is that at that point the sentiment of the thread was AGAINST Palmar, before the release of his logs and spreadsheet. Again I would add that MZ went from adamant Palmar was town early, to adamant he's scum, when Palmar's play had not changed. Just this totally random complete 180.

Palmar is town, marv is scum! :OOO

On January 04 2013 21:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Part of me thinks this is you trying to make sure you don't get lynched as scum now that your bluff has been called but a bigger part of me says there's bigger fish to fry and you actually are town like I originally thought.

Oh and fyi you have called me bad/terrible/awful/stupid/some other adjective that implies idiocy in almost every game I've played with you. idk what game it was from but my personal favorite was "oh that's MZ, I wondered who was trying to break the world record for retard."


lol holy shit, the final flip flop! Now the sentiment of the thread, remember, has gone pro-Palmar. The spreadsheet, the logs, the case on marv etc. So now obviously Meapak wants to kill marv after all.

Meapak has consistently flipflopped on his opinion of Palmar and I, basically going with teh sentiment of the thread. He never has his own opinions, he's only sheeping town mentality.




Bonus - Tunkeg!

Kinda amidst all of this, there's a side-story on Tunkeg. Anyways, it starts:

On January 03 2013 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Let's kill tunkeg.


So Tunkeg is scum, right? Where's the case?

On January 04 2013 09:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 09:23 debears wrote:
On January 04 2013 09:07 marvellosity wrote:
debears, I am verily looking forward to this post on Tunkeg.


honestly I'm not.....Already have to read this damn thread :/

It's not a very hard case which is the only thing that stopped me from writing it. It felt too easy.


It's not a very hard case which is the only thing that stopped him writing it, it's too easy. What does that mean? See, to most of the players in the game, it meant that people thought Tunkeg was just being his usual belligerent townie self, and they didn't think he was scum. But Meapak called him scum. Which means Meapak didn't think this. So why exactly didn't he make his case? What has too easy got to do with it if he thinks he's scum?

On January 04 2013 17:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 17:35 yamato77 wrote:
Tunkeg is playing anti town but his actual alignment is yet to be revealed. Apparently he's a dumbass all the time.

CC I can almost get behind but I'm not sure how much seriously I take the arguments for his lynch. He's been useless, sure, but he hasn't exactly done so in a scummy way.

wait so playing anti town doesn't reveal his alignment or at least in anyway give you reason to question him?

Damn that's a new one, I've only been gone for like 6 months and the meta has changed that much?


Here Meapak is pressuring yamato for not putting pressure on Tunkeg for playing anti-town. But what has Meapak done? He called Tunkeg scum and refused to make a case on him. Thereby not putting any pressure on Tunkeg himself. Why didn't he? Why didn't he pressure someone he called scum, why is he telling someone else off for not doing so?

I present you with Meapak_Ziph.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 04 2013 22:58 GMT
#2034
Yes, I'm down with killing Meapak. 100%
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 22:59 GMT
#2035
On January 05 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes, I'm down with killing Meapak. 100%


oh look, another opportunist
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 04 2013 23:00 GMT
#2036
....I'm not allowed to comment on things posted in the thread? I've just been here discussing Chezinu with you guys, was that opportunistic too? Fuck you Bugs
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 04 2013 23:02 GMT
#2037
On January 05 2013 07:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes, I'm down with killing Meapak. 100%


oh look, another opportunist


why don't ya, i dunno, comment on my superawesome case rather than VE agreeing with something superawesome?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
January 04 2013 23:03 GMT
#2038
Hi.

That was a really awesome end of day 1 to start with.

I'm about to read the 20-30 pages of thread that popped out in about 5 hours to find out who is responsible for this shit.

Palmar can proclaim himself the king of poop for this day.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 23:04 GMT
#2039
On January 05 2013 08:02 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 07:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 05 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes, I'm down with killing Meapak. 100%


oh look, another opportunist


why don't ya, i dunno, comment on my superawesome case rather than VE agreeing with something superawesome?


I already think Meapak is scum, I don't need to be convinced.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
January 04 2013 23:04 GMT
#2040
Well, this was not a marvelous lynch, but quite the opposite. I am disappointed that people did not follow the Brown. Now we know what happens when one opposes the Brown. Fortunately, the faculty only murdered one of our fellow classmates. I would like to thank SloOsh for organizing the lynching. Now that the scribe is dead, we will need someone else to step up and take his duties.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
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