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On October 16 2012 10:07 kushm4sta wrote: yeah sorry prplz i feel like shit. but then again maybe you keep getting lynched early as town because you act scummy as fuck? Daoud and memetoss next is what I'm thinking now. didnt you learn anything from day 2? | ||
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On October 16 2012 08:23 austinmcc wrote: gg prplhz. This is still not contributing anything useful... at least I tried to get people off the tunnelling da0d and prplhz all day and wasting the day. I tried to get people to pass the potato around so that this wouldn't happen. I may not have had time to read through everything and flesh out some big thoughts. But I was trying to tell people to get off them and pass the potato. Without the potato passing people didn't have to do anything. we let hiro do nothing we let kush do nothing and "plan" the rest of the games lynches you'd think ET who had a townie status by almost all would do something other than lolz prplhz scum and post a picture god damn. The funny thing is in a mini its more than likely all these guys are scum. so anti town. oh well, lets learn from it and have a better day 2. I will look into hiro and kush specifcally before nights end. I doubt scum will want to kill me. But just incase. | ||
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On October 16 2012 14:19 EchelonTee wrote: need to lynch da0ud. tunneling is not an inherently bad thing. Another way to phrase it is "focusing on someone you think is scum and getting them lynched". Calling kush scummy for tunneling doesn't make sense. Tunneling is an inherent part of playing the game, unless you enjoy being unfocused. This is stupid. Anyone who thinks this is legit is stupid.Our tunnel vision on mainly two players and planned future lynches caused discussion. Basically if you want to do this your basing all your lynches 90% on day 1 material. ET's day 1 voting actions look very town. However, his attitude/posting this game has not been town at all. I was thinking why ET as scum would put all his votes onto hopeless right at deadline to put ON into the finals as scum. The only reasons I can think of are the following. a) Scum ET looking for town credit being sneaky as shit b) Scum ET/saving Scum hopeless to bus scum ON | ||
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Got bored in hopeless1der and Djoref's filters, will look at them further tomorrow if I'm around, but I'm currently townie on da0ud but interested in his answer to the prplhz read changing, not-scummy on Hiro, and still big ol' scummy on mementoss. Nobody has answered the book club questions. Nobody has pointed out mementoss BEING useful/townie on D2, although there were posts of his that FELT useful/townie. That is quite scummy to me, as it shows someone wanting to LOOK useful/townie, without actually putting in the effort to BE so. I like to use CAPS sometimes to EMPHASIZE things. Djo, earlier you were:[QUOTE]On October 15 2012 19:54 Djodref wrote: I've checked the filters again, with the assumption that one of prplhz and daoud is scum and that we have exactly 3 scums this game. [/QUOTE] I for sure wasn't super useful but I was trying to push people into doing something instead of sitting around holding a potato thinking we solved the game day 1. read my filter. I didn't pull out the most amazing scum reads ever but here are the basics of what I was trying to get said/done by others -stop tunneling prplhz da0d -pass the potato to your top scum read ASAP if your town, don't follow what others say use your own best scum read -town read on prplhz -ON was most likely bussed. Try to do analysis based off ON and something else. - ON connection to find scum more likely this "[QUOTE]On October 15 2012 23:39 Mementoss wrote: One more quick note, if your looking for scum with associations to the ON flip, look for people who were confident ON would flip scum. No townie could be confident ON would flip scum because ON had 2 posts, and was inactive. It was a complete guess/safe lynch. Also look for people who didn't vote ON in the early rounds, but bussed him in the finals.[/QUOTE]" -defending myself -case on austin Should I have been a lot more agressive with people passing the potato and getting off tunnelling prplhz and daod? Yes. Did I? Nope. Why not? I only had short bursts of time in the thread, and honestly I didn't have any good scum reads at the time. | ||
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On October 17 2012 05:10 austinmcc wrote: Got bored in hopeless1der and Djoref's filters, will look at them further tomorrow if I'm around, but I'm currently townie on da0ud but interested in his answer to the prplhz read changing, not-scummy on Hiro, and still big ol' scummy on mementoss. Nobody has answered the book club questions. Nobody has pointed out mementoss BEING useful/townie on D2, although there were posts of his that FELT useful/townie. That is quite scummy to me, as it shows someone wanting to LOOK useful/townie, without actually putting in the effort to BE so. I like to use CAPS sometimes to EMPHASIZE things. I for sure wasn't super useful but I was trying to push people into doing something instead of sitting around holding a potato thinking we solved the game day 1. read my filter. I didn't pull out the most amazing scum reads ever but here are the basics of what I was trying to get said/done by others -stop tunneling prplhz da0d -pass the potato to your top scum read ASAP if your town, don't follow what others say use your own best scum read -town read on prplhz -ON was most likely bussed. Try to do analysis based off ON and something else. - ON connection to find scum more likely this " On October 15 2012 23:39 Mementoss wrote: "One more quick note, if your looking for scum with associations to the ON flip, look for people who were confident ON would flip scum. No townie could be confident ON would flip scum because ON had 2 posts, and was inactive. It was a complete guess/safe lynch. Also look for people who didn't vote ON in the early rounds, but bussed him in the finals. -defending myself -case on austin Should I have been a lot more agressive with people passing the potato and getting off tunnelling prplhz and daod? Yes. Did I? Nope. Why not? I only had short bursts of time in the thread, and honestly I didn't have any good scum reads at the time. | ||
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On October 17 2012 07:39 kushm4sta wrote: haha if mmt thinks you are scum you are almost definitely town. hai now I caught 66% of the scum team day 1 in aperture gym time now Hiro Hopeless austin kush, can't all be scum. I like the above djos points on da0d at the moment. I will have to re-assess my case on Austin based on his more recent actions, scum austin does a decent job at looking town though. Short version in my noodle before gym and nights end. Hopeless's faking scum thing made no sense to me had me thinking he was scum for a while and then his lurking all of day 2 makes him look worse. Kush's day 1 play seemed townie, but his day 2 play had scum motivation all over it. Shutting down discussion while being active in the thread, and planning the lynch for the next day. Also making an anti-town potato plan. Hiro is lurking hard I don't remember what he did day 1 to be honest will have to revisit how he voted. Didn't do anything day 2 other than hold the potato way too long day 2, to start day 2 off on a lulll and shut down discussion, than ultimately pass it to a planning. Austins more recent posting seems to be getting everyone active and trying to pick up a town that lost a shit load of momentum, im willing to consider he may be town, but this guy is tricky. I think we have better more secure lynches tomorrow though because hes a good asset to the town, and there are people that seem to be more likely to flip scum. This was all in like 10 minutes so if I fucked anythng up my bad. | ||
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On October 17 2012 09:42 Djodref wrote: Regarding today's mechanics, I think we should run our majority lynch in parallel. It's interesting to get the list so people should put them in the voting thread regardless of who is going to be lynched today (according to the lists). With the parallel majority lynch (running until smthing like deadline - 1H), we decide what is the real target of the lynch today and we modify the lists in order to get the right guy lynched. I'm betting right now that it's going to be the same guy anyway. I propose a majority vote for this idea ! I'm in ! ##Vote Hopeless Nononononononononono No no more fucking scummy plans based on the lynch mechanics. Everyone do what they want. But more specifically (lol) put your top 2 as your best scum reads and explain them in detail. (cuz there is probably 2 left) than for the remaining rank them based on how townie you see them. Always put yourself last, not putting yourself last is a scum claim, don't put yourself in another position to save someone. | ||
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Why Hopeless1der is Most likely Town The Facts: 1. Original Name 2. EchelonTee 3. Sandroba 4. EchelonTee last minute vote bombs Original Name to put him into the finals The Theory: Alright, I want you to pretend you are on the scum team and think from a team planning and chatting in the obs QT while you read this. Looking at day 1 and the facts we have, I think its pretty obvious hopeless1der is town. I thought he was scummy, for his posts, but after thinking of this and unable to answer the question with any confidence I have come to the conclusion he is town. In the semi finals, Hopeless1der was set to move on to the finals over Original Name until EchelonTee last minute voted him through. Scum could not have foreseen this happening. Therefore scum wanted Hopeless1der in the finals to be against Sandroba . I think this was an attempt to get a guarenteed mislynch. It is the only situation in my mind that makes any sense whatsoever. If both Hopeless1der and Original Name were scum, the scum team would have had to make a decision, who was less of an asset to their team. Who could they afford to bus? The obvious answer to this question is Original Name. Why? Because Original Name was guarenteed to be a lynch contender for the rest of the game, and would eventually be killed. However, this was not the case, as scum clearly wanted hopeless1der through, until EchelonTee ruined their plan. Do you think if hopeless1der was scum they would send him against Sandroba hoping he could win out? Very doubtful. It woulda been the same sort of case, "well they both look scummy, not sold on either, so lets be safe and not lynch the vet Sandroba ". If you cannot make sense of this round with hopeless1der being scum, or think of logical (likely) scum motivation for sending Hopeless1der over Original Name. If it doesn't make sense, than it probably isn't true. Therefore: Hopeless1der > Hopeless Now, I need to re-read the Hopeless1der vs Original Name matchup because I think scum was trying to send hopeless1der through to save Original Name. | ||
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On October 17 2012 15:49 da0ud wrote: Update : 1) Thrawn 2) Hopeless 3) Mementoss 4) Austin 5) Hiro 6) Djo 7) Kush 8) Da0ud With my most recent conclusion, this list looks horribly scummy. 1) 2nd best town read 2) 1st best town read 3) Confirmed Town (from my perspective) Not sure if really really wrong/bad, or scum trying really hard to push a mislynch. | ||
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On October 17 2012 21:02 thrawn2112 wrote: that's very interesting i'm going to read through the ON vs hopeless stuff so correct me if i'm getting this wrong but the logic works out to be like this: ON is scum. Sand is town. Scum don't want a scum in the finals. That;s why hopleess was originally set to advance instead of ON. We know this because it was ET who pushed ON into the finals, and ET is town. If hopeless and ON were both scum, then scum should have been bussing ON because he would have been the less detrimental loss. It would have made no sense for scum to push a scum hopeless into finals rather than a scum ON. Therefore the scum plan was to move hopeless (who is town) into the finals? Yes this is the correct less pretty TLDR of my post. lol | ||
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On October 17 2012 21:16 Djodref wrote: @Mementoss I totally agree with the logic of your post. I didn't think through all the mafia perspective when I've made my Hopeless case. I've noticed that it wouldn't make sense for a scum Hopeless to play scummy on purpose while he was going to meet his buddy on the semi-finals. Nevertheless, if you believe he is town, please check his filter and tell me what he has achieved for town. it doesn't matter what he achieved for town it doesn't matter if hes town or anti town anti-town day 3 is not good basis for a day 3 lynch WIFOM: + Show Spoiler + Do you think 66% of the scum team would be in the top 3 lurkers list? Possible, but not usually the case in my experience I would like him to try and step it up hard with some cases plz | ||
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We can't tell if hopeless vs ON was townies voting hopeless through and scum "letting" is happen by being apathetic to vote against it or if it was scum pushing hopeless through voting to save ON. Remember hopeless was one of the bigger cases of day 1, made by a confirmed townie (ET). So using purely vote analysis is oversimplifying things and too wifom. Stop oversimplifying, remember day 2? So guys go back to making real cases from real analysis. Use the voting wifom as a weak support, and not the main point. The main case on prplhz was voting sandroba and look how that turned out. As far as I'm concerned im going to be looking at everyone except myself and hopeless for scum. Don't forget to analyse night 1 day 2 night 2 and day 3 (pre/post hopeless town post) to find scum. Don't limit yourself to only 25% of the information. | ||
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