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Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 17:06:53
September 28 2012 17:05 GMT
#7
So, the first aperture mafia looked like a blast and was what got me to try mafia. I definitely want to be a part of this if you'll have me.

/in

As for a little about me: I've only played in 3 newbie mini mafias (IX, XIII, XVII). Let me know if you want more info.

Edit: Nevermind. I guess it's not open anymore. Have fun, I'll definitely follow it.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
September 28 2012 17:09 GMT
#10
On September 29 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 02:05 Crossfire99 wrote:
So, the first aperture mafia looked like a blast and was what got me to try mafia. I definitely want to be a part of this if you'll have me.

/in

As for a little about me: I've only played in 3 newbie mini mafias (IX, XIII, XVII). Let me know if you want more info.

Edit: Nevermind. I guess it's not open anymore. Have fun, I'll definitely follow it.


yea I have to let you in now


Thanks!
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
September 28 2012 17:49 GMT
#18
When's the deadline?
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
September 29 2012 23:52 GMT
#48
On September 30 2012 08:35 Mattchew wrote:
Alright lets do this leeerrroooyy...

anyway i am town and actually intend to put a lot of effort and thought into this game.

I feel that the only person I havent played with(?) or atleast recognize them is crossfire99.

I will be reading up on him(her?) game history now


Nice to meet you Mattchew. Unless you played in Newbie mini mafia IX, XIII, or XVII then you haven't played with me (I'm pretty sure we haven't but I don't remember much from IX cause I died night one). I believe suki did a nice analysis post on me in XVII, which you should take a look at if you want a summary of me. Oh, you can also ask austinmcc about me if you want, because we both played XIII and XVII.

I'm a guy, so you can use masculine pronouns.

Also, this is my first non-normal game, so I hope it is a crazy as the first Aperture mafia.

I'm going to be out for the rest of the night (EDT time zone in case anyone cares), so I'll be back tomorrow. Let's get them scum, SK, and/or whatever else that's out there in this crazy testing facility.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
September 30 2012 22:03 GMT
#158
So, I think Keirathi's conflicting reasons for his earlier behavior that austin already pointed out are weird, but it isn't enough for me to vote for him right now. I'll need some more evidence.

I'm confused about Drazerk. I guess I haven't played with him before and some people seem to have used this to inform their decision.

As for Jingle, I don't think that we can use the fact that he posted a defense when he did as justification for voting for him. If he continually has that timing, then I'll use that as evidence. Also, I think people are reading too much into Jingle's early vote on Drazerk because I'm confused by Drazerk, and can understand Jingle's reasoning for voting him. But some of you are saying that Drazerk is just acting like his normal self...so I guess I'm still just confused by Drazerk...

I don't understand this post of yours, Drazerk.
On October 01 2012 06:05 Drazerk wrote:
Scum don't make mistakes third party do

Screw third party and all their back stabbing goodness


Don't scum make mistakes, too? And isn't that how we catch them?
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 01 2012 19:54 GMT
#298
Yeah, so I'm back. I'm actually leaning towards Keirathi being town now. He is the most active player in the thread and doesn't seem to be afraid while contributing his reads and attacking. I'm looking past his weird contradiction earlier in the game and just chalking it up to explaining himself poorly.

I'm still confused by Drazerk and am going to just ignore him until I get more concrete information like flips (assuming I survive long enough to get that)

My top scum read right now is iamperfection. Mattchew makes a good case here + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 00:39 Mattchew wrote:
gonna hop right back into the thread with some analysis

I believe iamperfection is scum and I would like everyone to click on his filter

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 05:43 iamperfection wrote:
On October 01 2012 04:22 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm pretty happy lynching Keirathi right now. He's putting way too much effort into scumhunting on Day 1 to build up towncred. Looking through previous filters when there's been, what, twenty posts in this game? No, that's not something that townies do. I vote we lynch him today, and mementoss tomorrow. WHO'S WITH ME.

##vote keirathi

We are seriously going to allow this crap? Ive played about 6 games of tl mafia and this is the biggest pile of crap ive seen yet.

## Vote ghost_403

This post clearly mis-reads what ghost is trying to say and jumps on him with a hyperbole and what feels like a very fake sense of confidence. The way this post is worded is not as much anger as much as it reads "grab your pitchforks and bandwagon with me"

After this, his teeth are sunk into ghost, and he is afraid to move. He also has failed to comment on literally anyone else in the thread. His reasoning is bad, his contributions are next to nothing.

Honestly I don't think anything more needs to be written. Enough time has past for iamperfection to comment on other players, or contribute to actual discussion. His reasoning for pushing a ghost lynch is bad and grasping at straws.

##unvote
##vote Iamperfection


I may disagree with ghost's assessment of keirathi, but he gives his reasoning based on what knowledge he had, and iamperfection twists what ghost said in order to attack him.

##Vote: iamperfection

I'll be around for a bit, so feel free to ask me questions.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 01 2012 20:05 GMT
#301
On October 02 2012 05:02 Drazerk wrote:
Cross you can't apply flip logic to me don't try.

Well then I guess I'm just going to have to flip a coin or roll a die to decide if you're scum or not because without flip logic I'm going to have nothing on you because I'm already confused by you. lol
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 02 2012 00:59 GMT
#402
So, I'm glad that iamperfection died, but I thought this was a majority lynch. I mean even the op says it is a simple majority lynch. Shouldn't it have been a no lynch?
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 02 2012 01:05 GMT
#403
Because of that vote, I'm pretty confident Mattchew, mementoss, and hiro are town because there is no reason to bus your scum buddy day 1 when apparently it is plurality lynch. If they were scum they could have easily consolidated on any other person and gotten them lynched because iamperfection only had 4 votes.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 02 2012 01:13 GMT
#404
Oh, I also think this makes ghost town because there's no way a scum would attack his own, so early and leave his vote on him all day despite people trying to convince him otherwise.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 02 2012 01:52 GMT
#409
On October 02 2012 10:34 gonzaw wrote:
@Crossfire: You know, the fact that you forgot it's plurality lynch and not majority lynch actually makes you look worse, since you parked your vote on iamperfection and left. If you were scum maybe you thought there would be a NL so you thought iamperfection was safe before disappearing.

Is this the case? I don't know. If you don't give more thorough reads and actively participate in discussion while giving your thoughts on things discussed and your thought process (<-most important one) I and the rest of town can't know for sure.

I never forgot it was plurality lynch. I never thought it was plurality lynch to begin with. Also, how is it worse if I parked my vote on the person with the most votes at the time I voted when I thought it was majority lynch? It would be worse if I voted like everyone else because then I would be throwing my vote away and not helping lynch someone since I thought it was majority lynch.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 02 2012 01:59 GMT
#410
On October 02 2012 10:22 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 09:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
So, I'm glad that iamperfection died, but I thought this was a majority lynch. I mean even the op says it is a simple majority lynch. Shouldn't it have been a no lynch?


I've never been good with the lynch type names. They OP explains the rules for the lynch

Just so you know, I read the op and still thought is was majority lynch with the definition you gave. If you are refering to the thread you linked, I figured the voting rules there didn't really apply because your rules had some differences.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 02 2012 02:06 GMT
#412
On October 02 2012 11:05 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 10:13 Crossfire99 wrote:
Oh, I also think this makes ghost town because there's no way a scum would attack his own, so early and leave his vote on him all day despite people trying to convince him otherwise.

ghost didn't vote iamperfection...

no, but iamperfection voted for ghost.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 02 2012 02:08 GMT
#413
I mean the first person that iamperfection attacks hard and sticks with all day is ghost. I think that is good reason for ghost being town.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 02 2012 02:14 GMT
#415
On October 02 2012 11:09 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 11:08 Crossfire99 wrote:
I mean the first person that iamperfection attacks hard and sticks with all day is ghost. I think that is good reason for ghost being town.

reading it like this makes remarkably more sense.

Now if we could only find a scum tonight, so we can get a vig to kill him tonight, it will be just like my last game, which you were a part of. But I hope town wins this time and I'm not completely retarded like I became after two scum died.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 02 2012 02:44 GMT
#420
On October 02 2012 11:27 gonzaw wrote:
iamperfection didn't put too much effort in trying to get ghost lynched. He made that initial vote, and then argued a little bit when he was called out, but never did anything to try and get ghost lynched (for instance, he never came back to the thread to defend himself and try to convince people to vote for ghost).

He could have easily tried to bus ghost and then not do anything since pushing ghost would mean ghost would get lynched, meaning scum lose 1 member anyways.

Although the possibility that he made an easy case on an easy town target is also plausible.
Either way, take it with a grain of salt. Analyze ghost by his behaviour alone and not by having an ambigious link to iamperfection.


About ghost:
(Disclaimer: This isn't supposed to be a case against him or anything. I just want to point out some stuff I want some feedback on since I'm not sure if he's scum or not (although he's a possibility, just like when I added him to that previous list).)

I'd want some discussion on ghost, who I'm torn about and think could be scum (although his attitude at times feels too overconfident to be one).

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 05:36 ghost_403 wrote:
Something's off about austin's play this game. I dunno what. I can't put my finger on it, and I have no idea why. I think I'm going to read a few of his previous games.

I'm still happy trying to lynch Keirathi today. After his initial case on Mattchew, he's done more or less no analysis this game. If looking through austin's previous games doesn't yield anything interesting, I might spend a bit more time staring at Keirathi's filter and write up my thoughts on it.

IMP doesn't read like scum to me at a moment. I didn't see anything substantial in the cases presented in the thread to change my mind on that at the moment.


This is the only thing he mentions about iamp.
He doesn't mention at all the fact that iamperfection had a half-assed case on him.
I find this weird...since anybody would be alert to anybody FoSing them, specially if it's because of bad reasons.
For instance, it took me, Mattchew and others to "defend" ghost, but never ghost himself.
He doesn't even try to defend himself or acknowledge there's someone voting him, which is odd as hell no matter what alignement iamperfection had.
I'd like ghost to tell us why he didn't even bother to acknowledge people's votes/suspicions on him.

Him going after Keirathi seems weird to me too, since I thought Keirathi was pretty apparent town at that point and it seemed ghost ignored the things that made him so just to attack him and form a late bandwagon on him.
Although the more I think about it the more I think that there may be players out there that just don't play similarly to me and look at different things to find scum and ignore some others (i.e there's a possibility ghost legitimately thought his case was good)


Anyways, feedback would be appreciated.

I'll try not to flood the thread with "I'm not sure about X, so here's a "semi" case against him, and here's a "semi"-defense against him" walls of text, since I know people don't seem too fond of them and ignore them and then label me as scum for being "wishy-washy" or something
However, any additional information that can make us figure out someone else's alignement is useful.

Instead of thinking it like "here's a case I'm making against ghost/etc" think of it as "I found this interesting thing, what do you think about it?".
Hopefully there are no more misunderstandings regarding my play in the future.

I agree with you about his viewpoint on Keirathi being weird because I also think Keirathi is town. After reading through his points on Keirathi, I can see where he is coming from, but I don't think he is misrepresenting Keirathi. He is just choosing to focus on different aspects of Keirathi's play, while I and probably you have focused on other things which make us say he is town. I think the way that ghost was attacked by iamperfection wasn't a bus. I tried reading it as a bus and I don't know, it just doesn't feel right. This combined with reading his filter further puts it in my head that he is town.

Oh, as for the whole ignoring the case against him part. Maybe he just didn't feel threatened by it and would only respond to the case if it picked up momentum.

I mean if you responded to every little thing about you, you'd end up being like Jingle...
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 04 2012 00:00 GMT
#531
Ok, I finally got some time to check on this game. I am gonna take a look at what I missed and post my thoughts.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 04 2012 00:15 GMT
#532
First things, first. I will say that I still have my same town reads on Mattchew, hiro, and ghost. I explained them in an earlier post but they're basically due to day 1 voting. I still see keirathi as town as well due to activity, boldness, confidence and his posting behavior.

Gonzaw, what's with this whole thing between you and jingle? I'm going to take a closer look at it, but would like to hear your opinion on it.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 04 2012 01:32 GMT
#533
Ok, so I don't know if my vision is getting clouded by my opinion on how he's playing, but I think Jingle is kinda playing like a dick. Well i think he's acting like a dick towards gonzaw. His other posts don't seem so bad. He's just constantly attacking gonzaw in a dickish way and his concerns seem to be more petty concerns when compared to the overall view of gonzaw (at least how I see gonzaw). This leads me to see gonzaw as more townie and jingle more scummy.

My other scum reads:

strongandbig: I don't like how he is playing. He hasn't done anything of worth this game or committed to a read on anyone at all except on drazerk, who he has wanted to lynch since day 1. It is the weirdest fixation. Is it possible that he has some role where in order to win, he has to get Drazerk lynched? That would explain why he is only caring about Drazerk, but I don't know if that type of role would exist.

Drazerk: It doesn't seem like he is even trying. He rarely talks about stuff of importance and throws out random one-liners often. He doesn't really give many reads at all. It's like he's observing the game from inside the game. I mean I guess ultimately he's my least confident scum read right now, but I'd still be up for lynching him if other people were on board.

My best scum read, which seems to be similar for a lot of you guys as well is nisani. Gonzaw and Mattchew made some good points, which I agree with. Also, did nisani just claim here + Show Spoiler +
On October 04 2012 06:10 Nisani201 wrote:
My last post wasn't very in-depth because I was on my phone and I didn't have much time.

To answer the questions being asked to me:

Gonzaw's case on me is bad because it doesn't really explain why anything I did was scummy. He accuses me of doing certain thing "out of nowhere," but really everything is "out of nowhere." Pretty stupid accusation.

-snipped-
that he has no basis for any of his reads and thoughts? I mean seriously...

Yeah so that makes nisani my top scum read and very worthy of my vote.
##Vote: Nisani201
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 04 2012 01:53 GMT
#537
Thanks for the summary, gonzaw.

Also, this post by Mattchew just makes me crack up every time I read it.
On October 04 2012 06:57 Mattchew wrote:
Nisani continues to struggle to find scum cause he knows people are town... Also snb is probably scum


On phone in between pickup basketball games

Mattchew, are you always this blunt?
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