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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Mattchew (1 HP) gonzaw (1 HP) strongandbig (.5 HP) Keirathi (1 HP) HiroPro (.5 HP) austinmcc (1 HP) JingleHell (1 HP) With Matt not able to bus himself, and gonzaw becoming red if Chell died, the only chance town had of surviving through the night was if JH made austin shoot Hiro, *AND* we just let Matt die. That would have put us at 2 red, 2 green, and 1 black. If JH made austin shoot anyone else, it wouldn't have mattered and still been end-game. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
we coulda had 2 more people in this game in a minute and that woulda made it fair imo 3v3v8.5 | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:02 GreYMisT wrote: If you get lucky and lynch Dr. Kliner black scum will have a really hard time. Black scum team had 0 killing power other than gordan, so their job is to help town lynch scum anyway to get a foot hold. so that shifts the balance of power to the town some degree. Other than that town had a TON of medic protection. You lost some of it fairly quickly but mass claiming imo was a bad idea. Even if you were going to do that the fact mattchew did not use his power lost the game for town. Without Jingle or Matt sending in powers, the scum team knew exactly what was in play and was able to plan out their shots perfectly to net 2 kills, when previously they were lucky to get 1. Well..yeah but even if medics save every KP at night it doesn't matter if there are more scum than town at day that can very easily influence the lynches and misslynch. Black scum yeah, they might want to kill scum but they want to survive as well so I don't think they'd oppose a misslynch or at least not put the same effort in trying to get scum lynched as town does (not even talking about lynching their own). Assuming there were only 4 scum left the massclaim wasn't a bad idea to me lol. Just lynch one scum on D4, then lynch the other scum on D5, then maybe lynch the remaining scum on D6, easy. I seriously doubt the lynches after that point would have been anything other than austin/Hiro/Jingle. Maybe they could get a misslynch on me or Mattchew though. It's just that with 4 scum and 4 town and more than 1 KP at night you can't expect town to do much lol. Anyways the massclaim is what convinced me Jingle was scum so I don't really see it as bad. Also austin's claim was "too safe" as well and I put him as possible RS....but Jingle was the other option as considering how he acted on D4-N4 he had to be scum, which by process of elimination (if there was only 1 or 2 scum remaining) austin would be town. Other than that the claims hurt scum as well. Almost all of them except ghost claimed very passive abilities, and "unprovable" abilties, which is too convenient at that point in the game. Well.....actually the only "new" town claims by that point were Matt's and mine. That's not a "massclaim" lol (if you only consider townies claiming). Also Mattchew claimed by himself it had nothing to do with me > : ( I had to claim in my mind to avoid getting misslynched and get more people to believe my claim and believe me being town by trying to explain everything I did. It didn't help that almost all scum casted suspicion on it though, but I think on D4 every townie believed my claim...which is quite the opposite of the "lynch gonzaw" attitude everybody had on N3. So basically...the only "claims" town had were mine (that I made with the reasoning above) and Mattchews. So how exactly did it "hurt" town? I may understand Matt claiming being bad...and I don't really know why he claimed out of nowhere, but it's not really a "massclaim" if there are more fake-claims than real ones. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Don't know if this win is a good way to celebrate it or not... | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
"Being scummy" and "doing anti-town stuff" is not enough since there are plenty of players out there that are scummy and do anti-town stuff as town but because of their attitude or meta they seem obviously town (also I'm not that scummy). I feel like I'm one of them, specially when I reread the games where I'm scum and town and I say to myself "The differences are obvious! Hell I always act the same way when I'm town!"... ...meh, I guess that's something only I can see? Am I crazy here? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
It's not that they thought I was town and tried to get an easy misslynch on me....scum thought I was from the other scum team (both of them I think) ....I don't know what to think of that lol N2 was the one where me and Jingle started that shitstorm right? I don't think there was nothing to do that night other than that though. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:44 gonzaw wrote: But both scum thought I was legitimately scum as well :/ It's not that they thought I was town and tried to get an easy misslynch on me....scum thought I was from the other scum team (both of them I think) ....I don't know what to think of that lol N2 was the one where me and Jingle started that shitstorm right? I don't think there was nothing to do that night other than that though. Hey, credit where due, you started a shitstorm  , I just got absurdly lucky that people decided to skip over pages instead of realizing I was fanning the flames deliberately.I think my worst slip that I was lucky nobody caught, though, was accusing you of foreknowledge on Draz. I really should have saved that for after the flip so nobody would notice it was almost like *I* knew he wasn't scum. Really, roughly everything I said was scummy about you, I caught myself doing at some other point 2 seconds after I hit post. But by then nobody wanted to read anything that had both of our names in it. By late, I had neutralized myself too effectively. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 12 2012 13:10 JingleHell wrote: Hey, credit where due, you started a shitstorm , I just got absurdly lucky that people decided to skip over pages instead of realizing I was fanning the flames deliberately.I think my worst slip that I was lucky nobody caught, though, was accusing you of foreknowledge on Draz. I really should have saved that for after the flip so nobody would notice it was almost like *I* knew he wasn't scum. Really, roughly everything I said was scummy about you, I caught myself doing at some other point 2 seconds after I hit post. But by then nobody wanted to read anything that had both of our names in it. By late, I had neutralized myself too effectively. That's....pretty accurate. By the Ed of the game, if I saw you post and it had the word gonzaw anywhere in it, I basically just ignored it. Although I still thought you were scummy :p | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Why didn't you use your action last night? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:44 gonzaw wrote: But both scum thought I was legitimately scum as well :/ It's not that they thought I was town and tried to get an easy misslynch on me....scum thought I was from the other scum team (both of them I think) ....I don't know what to think of that lol N2 was the one where me and Jingle started that shitstorm right? I don't think there was nothing to do that night other than that though. Then you didn't read very well. Neither austin nor I thought that you were scum. We just thought that you weren't revealing exactly what your role was (in terms of wincon). | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 12 2012 13:16 Keirathi wrote: Jingle: Why didn't you use your action last night? I had no idea what Austin can do, and basically, I figured that IF Austin and Gonzaw were somehow both town, I didn't want to be visiting Austin, since an NK on him would have been smart if he were town. There weren't many scenarios (with the information available to me) where leaving my action on Austin made any sense compared to not taking an action. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I remember you guys saying something, I think I'll check. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
austin wrote in QT: JH what are you doing. I absolutely don't believe that role he claimed. It's both far too vanilla for this game AND his justifications for being town are bad. Is he black scum? I still don't see that post against mattchew as coming from scum. I guess there's an outside possibility he and mattchew are BOTH black scum? Perhaps he could make a ridiculous argument in that case to distance himself from matt. But it still feels townie. I think he's hiding a way to be killed or something like that. Way to be killed, extra win condition, etc. I told you! | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
...well, you didn't know there was another scum until D3, but still. Yay! At least my win-buddies didn't thought I was really scum @Hiro: If the only possible way you could be scum is being black, and there's also Jingle and ghost and Mattchew out there, I think using that "meta" thing to confirm you as non-BS was enough to convince myself for the time being. There was no way I could think of you as RS if you were IAM's sole remaining scumbuddy and just bussed him like that. ...if you guys were 3 scum it does make sense you bussing him (your other mate, austin, can try and force the lynch off IAM while you gain the town cred either way), but if you were 2 scum it wouldn't have made sense at all which is why you+Matt+Xfire were basically "confirmed non-RS". And if I had to choose between you and ghost (and again maybe Mattchew) as BS I would have chosen you last. WIth all of that it's not that hard to misinterpret your meta from that other game you played. ....fuck I hate multiple-faction games. Why do I keep joining them? ...wait did I join this game? I think I was automatically signed up or something lol | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Either way Hiro was untrackable so my ability wasn't that useful. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
If I framed someone, I bussed my watch/track results with their watch/track results. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
He claimed that a night action on him got redirected. The only night action that we *KNEW* targetted him on night 2 was ghost. Hiro and ghost changed places in the list. That should have been enough to lynch him, but I let myself get convinced that Hiro wasn't scum early, and couldn't change my mind even after his super safe claim that made more sense from a mafia alignment than a town one  | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Edit: Well actually no you shouldn't have. It's entirely possible that scum were hiding their roles and someone else targeted me that night. Unlikely, but possible. My behavior should have gotten me lynched, but that's a different story. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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