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gonzaw
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On October 10 2012 12:26 HiroPro wrote: austin's claim needs someone who can make portals, so if no one claims that he's scum. Portals can be a scum ability. If so it's possible they won't claim it (because if may incriminate him..and also to incriminate austin like you said yourself). Portals are most likely the list swap thing, which like I said is most likely from scum | ||
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gonzaw
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##Vote: JingleHell I think I convinced myself with that "devils advocate" thing I wrote above lol. Also it's the only way I can make sense of the Nisani check and in my head that theory I made makes sense. At least until he and ghost come back. | ||
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gonzaw
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On October 10 2012 12:48 Keirathi wrote: I'll be honest, this game went from fun to boring the minute we started trying to solve it rather than play it. This game would have been boring (to me) and pretty shitty if I hadn't claimed and everybody bandwagoned against me today and unanimously got me lynched and then town lost. Also with S&B/Matt/ghost/Jingle/Hiro barely active most of the time this game has been me+you+austin arguing ever since D3 basically. Unless you had fun doing that  I intended only me to claim, but meh I guess my checks forced other guys to claim as well. | ||
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gonzaw
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I'd be stressed as fuck spending all D4 trying to convince people I'm town in a futile attempt and get lynched while nobody listens to me and then go "meh, gonzaw was scummy" as soon as I flip and instantly get over it while I then go to the obs qt and see I got every single read wrong and weep for hours in front of the mirror. ...okay maybe I don't weep for hours in front of the mirror...but still it's not really a pleasant situation/set of situations to be in. I'd prefer ending the game in a high note by catching the scum no matter the method (analyzing claims and speculation or scumhunting or both) rather than end up feeling shitty while playing and then feel shitty after I play. Although that's kind of irrelevant. This "massclaim" happened, you feel shitty about it, I don't. Although I don't think I would have really wanted it to happen though, I just wanted to claim not get lynched, then maybe lynch austin or ghost/Mattchew (what I thought back in N2). | ||
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gonzaw
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Like, trying to use your head and figure out what happened and how it could have happened and who's lying based on what you know makes you feel like a detective, and is super cool (at least when you get it right). I remember there being a "logical" game out there were everybody was a tracker/watcher and scum had fake-claims and it was a whirlwind of night actions and shit and you had to make sense of them and try to logically find out who was scum and it was cool as hell to read. Pre-Edit: Oh yeah it was this one I guess there's some stuff like that in this part of the game which makes it interesting. | ||
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gonzaw
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Answer all those questions, and again....react accordingly | ||
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gonzaw
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On October 11 2012 01:33 HiroPro wrote: Do you target a spot on the player list to swap into or a specific player? A specific player since he visited you (assuming my report is correct....which at this point I think it is as long as ghost is telling the truth). | ||
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gonzaw
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gonzaw
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If the remaining RS wants to try to use my alt-win-con he will have to kill Matt, so if Matt's BS it's possible RS would try to kill him (or try to get him lynched) It's improbable though. I'd want to deal with a BS Chell once we kill all RS so there can't be any problems with my new traitor status (if the RS is still alive there would be a lot of trouble). His claim brings some conflicts with what other people stated. The Hiro/Keirathi check from ghost is one, and depending on what ghost says we may have a liar between the 2 of them, and it's possible it's Matt. If he's really bus driver, I don't really know why he'd lie about his actions? I mean, if he's the sole remaining BS then his ability isn't that much useful so he can easily use it "pro-town" (target 1 scum and 1 town to get the scum shot) or appear so and not lie about his reports. If he lies about his reports he can get lynched by there being conflicts (like this ghost one). If he's really busdriver then he's telling the truth most likely. If he's not busdriver and ghost is town...then it's possible he just got caught. Although everything points out that he's really Chell (proven by my role PM) and he's busdriver (flavour wise makes sense, and fake-claim bus driver seems kind of stupid for a scum with different powers), and so his reports are correct (since he'd have no reason to fake them, specially if he doesn't know what other people did and he could get caught pretty easily by lying). I hope that's the case though. Again, even if he's Chell, real busdriver and his reports are correct he could still be BS....but again that seems unlikely, no matter how bad his play has been since N1. | ||
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gonzaw
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Imagine ghost is town and Matt is BS....Matt has no idea about player swap and maybe just like us never noticed the ghost+Hiro N2 swap. Even if he's BS lying or something he could have claimed without taking into account the swaps We can safely assume ghost is responsible for the swapping, whether he's town or scum. And again I'm barring weird cases like ghost+Matt being scumbuddies and planning some weird shit, since again I don't think there are any team larger than 2 here (if there were they'd also be more proactive by now...you know, considering this could be a form of LYLO to them and they could easily win with a BS/town misslynch today). Anyways, the conflicts I've found with ghost's claim are these: -He visited and swapped with Hiro on N2 even though Hiro claimed he redirected an action done on him on me -He claimed he visited Keirathi last night and got a town check, but Matt bussed Kei+Hiro so he should have gotten a check on Hiro Either I misunderstood the situations, or either ghost is lying or either both Hiro and Mattchew are lying... I think this may have a little bit from both (maybe I did understand things wrong), but the 2nd situation doesn't look good at all for ghost. Considering ghost got a town check on Jingle and like I said Jingle can't be 2xframer (I assume), if ghost is town Jingle is likely town. Could we assume something like this?: Scum: Hiro+Mattchew or ghost+Jingle In the 1st case, ghost told us the truth about everything and Hiro and Matt fucked up their fake-claims for not taking into account what ghost would claim. In the 2nd case, JH is scum, ghost fake-claimed later a green check on JH to save JH's ass for now (i.e both scum want a misslynch today, not a lynch on the other guy), but ghost didn't notice the small details from Matt's and Hiro's claim so fucked up those. I think the Hiro thing might be a misunderstanding though...since it doesn't make much sense since it seems ghost did visit Hiro and swap with him regardless of alignment (meaning the swap never redirected) Maybe I'm oversimplifying things though | ||
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gonzaw
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I.e if he uses his vig shot on N1 he can't use his copycat ability that same night + Show Spoiler [RolePM] + Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Portal Edition! You are Cave Johnson, The Persistent Copycat Vigilante. You founded this great company, and if there is one thing you learned is when faced with a problem, throw money at it! Your great fortune and charisma allows you to buy and copy the abilities used on you. Each daypost, you will recieve a random ability used on you the previous night. You will not be told what ability you recieve, because all that sciency stuff is for the research monkeys to understand. Each night you may target a player to use this ability on. Your incredible influence allows your stolen abilites to go through anything, meaning they will hit their target unless you are roleblocked. In the place of your normal power, you may use your last combustable lemon to deal 1 kp to someone. this KP goes through Roleblock and bussdriver effects (not medic). You win with the town. So if he got bussed on N1, I don't think he was able to copycat the power since he wasted it on the vig shot. I don't know if the "combustible lemon" means he can never use the copycat thing again....if he could then he would have known ghost DT checked him on N2 since that's an ability done on him, and therefore he would have been able to use a DT ability himself and claim it or let us know. Of course if he received this ability on D2 he hasn't used it yet since he was lynched that same day. If Ghost is scum, JH still town Why is this? Because of the Mattchew vote again? If ghost is BS then we can't know...but it at least means that Hiro and Matt told the truth about their roles...plus considering the IAMP push it means they can't really be RS (also the Chell thing), and that leaves very little suspects for RS, mainly you+Kei+S&B+Jingle. If Kei+S&B are town then that leaves either you or JH. Right now I'm inclined to believe JH is scum over you, because of previous reasons... ...or maybe S&B is scum and we should have listened to Drazerk all game long and lynch him >_> <_< | ||
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gonzaw
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Meaning....I'd prefer to leave my final vote before leaving...which can't be done if neither Jingle nor ghost (or at least Mattchew :/ ) show up. Let's make this clear again: today we lynch the remaining Aperture Science member Yes, ghost can be BS but fuck I want to get rid of all RS first. The thing is that it may be more "obvious" that ghost is BS, but it's not obvious who other player is RS. Is it Jingle, Hiro or you (I also take it I'm in that suspect list from some of you)? Or in a weird plot twist maybe it was S&B all along or some shit. Meh. If you guys want to play it safe go ahead and lynch the BS then...but I'll try to keep my vote on the RS before I leave to uni. | ||
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gonzaw
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Everybody in this game other than me and Keirathi is scum, I'm sure of it. Maybe not you, since at least you are making an effort right now even though you could still be scum talking out of your ass. But shit everybody else just doesn't care about this game at all, even with all this interesting shit that's going on and we having the possibility to catch all scum right now. Yes, maybe there are 5 scum out there and everybody else was right. GG scum, well played you fucked my mind. | ||
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gonzaw
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Meh, fair enough, I won't start arguing against those points because: -I already explained them so it's useless -I had to explain myself way later than when the actual events happened. I don't have a database of all my emotions and thoughts when I make every single post so I may remember things incorrectly or misinterpret them once I try to explain them later (for instance maybe I didn't unvote IAM "just because of the momentum" and there was something else, but if there was I don't remember and me looking back at those posts makes me think it was because of the momentum thing). Also, me thinking Drazerk being town is just me being awesome  (for like 10 minutes though, then I started sucking again ) | ||
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gonzaw
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gonzaw
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So if red scum wins but chell is still alive do you lose? Yes because I'm still a townie Basically how it seems to me is that as long as matt is alive you don't count as red scum, but once matt dies you count as scum for the "faction>other factions" and for the calculation of KP so we probably have to lynch you as soon as matt dies. No. If Matt dies you guys better lynch the RS (assuming it's only 1 remaining). Let's assume first that all the BS are dead and there's only 1 RS remaining. 1)If I become a traitor and you guys lynch me, then you still have to lynch 1 RS in the next day. 2)If I become traitor and you guys lynch the RS, since there are no more RS and BS town wins and so do I. As you can see that 2nd scenario is better for both town and me even if I become traitor. In (1) I can't win with the RS if I'm lynched. Once I die I can only win with town so I'd be rooting for you guys to lynch the RS. The only way I could possibly root for the RS is if it's LYLO and me+him can act like RS and win instantly....but then again if that happens and he outs himself we can just lynch him and I can win with town lol. The point is that in a scenario (at day time) where I can win with RS I can also win with town so unless I'm lynched I wouldn't really care about either, and like I said I'd probably side with town since town is my BFF and RS is a big meanie  Ehmm, well actually maybe if I become a traitor I could act "pro-town" while the RS is still alive, and misslynch someone else so I can win with the RS in a next day LYLO? Meh, I doubt that's possible since I don't know the RS's identity, so unless I say "Let's lynch Keirathi!" I can even lynch the RS by mistake even if I decide to be "pro-town". In (2), as soon as you guys lynch the RS town wins the game, with me. Some of these reasons are why I want to lynch the RS today....so we can just forget about my alt-win con and play the game normally. Ehmm...I don't know if I count for calculation of KP though...Grey didn't tell me that >_> Pre-Edit: Oh I think I do, Grey told me "I count as a member of the mafia" once I become traitor...so I guess I count for their numbers and KP? Geez that sucks. | ||
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gonzaw
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Either way I can win with town no matter what so that can still benefit me (even if I suddenly become a dick and want RS to win). One point is certain: I'm townie now so unless I'm playing against my win condition by trying to get Mattchew killed so I become traitor so I can win with RS then everything I said is true and comes from a townie-point of view (although is that playing against one's win-con? That's kind of confusing). | ||
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gonzaw
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Anyways, going to uni, good luck people. | ||
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gonzaw
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My PM doesn't say Chell it says Chell (I just put it blue to make my post pretty) Also did you think that maybe I didn't think that much before posting? As soon as I realized I count for mafia's KP I thought it sucked because well...it does. | ||
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gonzaw
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Woot 10 minutes before deadline. Quick, do I need to change my vote or something? I need to read the first since I left | ||
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